You believe in that theory that is no where in the Bible because you use it as the foundation for free will. If you think that isn't obvious to everyone here, you must be nuts.Originally Posted by jmdrake
I'm pretty sure Sola_Fide believes that Enoch and Elijah died. So you are "wrong" on that as well according to the gospel of SF. Welcome to the heretic party.
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Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
No liar. I believe it because it is supported by science. You are the first Christian I ever ran into that denies freewill so it's beyond stupid of you to think that was my motivation for believing in the multiverse when I believed that before I met you. Now liar, here is another question for you that you so far have refused to answer. Why do you not believe that the sun moves across the sky as opposed to the earth rotating? After all the Bible says Joshua made the sun stand still.
Says the person that argued on my behalf and claimed I was talking to myself. Clearly you are the crazy one. I guess I am nuts for thinking I could have an intelligent conversation with someone as looney as you.If you think that isn't obvious to everyone here, you must be nuts.
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Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
I deny it as well.No liar. I believe it because it is supported by science. You are the first Christian I ever ran into that denies freewill
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I don't "believe" in multiple universes either. I'm just saying its not absolutely impossible. I'd say the same thing about the "assumption of Mary" as well.
With that said, I agree with you. The motivations are bad in either case.
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No Christian that has ever existed says that man has a free will to choose or reject God. You've never talked to a Christian.
I didn't say he was the only one. And (sadly) I met him before I met you. My point is that I had an understanding of the multiverse before I ever had the "motivation" for that belief that he falsely claims I have. I thought the point I as making as obvious.
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Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
Well I know for certain I'm not talking to one when I am talking to you.
9/11 Thermate experiments
Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
No you don't
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Except the only "motivation" for a belief in the multiverse is science. Really, have you not studied quantum mechanics? That all of this fits what my understanding of freewill simply is a bonus of further knowledge. It is a lie to call it a motivation. Don't fall into SF's trap. And I'm still waiting for SF to answer my question about Joshua. He won't because he is afraid to answer it. That's the way he always operates. He won't answer questions that show him to be the ignoramus he is.
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Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
Even if you were right about free will, if you don't think it is possible to be simply wrong about something and be a Christ-follower at the same time, then no one is a Christian including you.
Hofstadter's Law: It always takes longer than you expect, even when you take into account Hofstadter's Law. -Douglas Hofstadter
Life, Liberty, Logic
Yeah I do.No you don't
John 13:35; John 8:44; Rev 12:10; Matt 7:16; Gal 5:22
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Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
These conversations on the religion forum are so much more pleasant to read when you put Sola Fide on ignore. That's really something that everyone should do.
Okay, let's answer it. Here's your question:
Since the multiverse exists, and every possible thing happened, then there was never a person named Joshua. Jesus didn't die on the cross either. That is another thing that happened.Why do you not believe that the sun moves across the sky as opposed to the earth rotating? After all the Bible says Joshua made the sun stand still.
Wait...why do you say you can know anything at all based on this theory of yours?
It doesn't say "believe that God created one universe and not many universes"
Hofstadter's Law: It always takes longer than you expect, even when you take into account Hofstadter's Law. -Douglas Hofstadter
Life, Liberty, Logic
The ignore function is for cowards who are too afraid to offer their views in the marketplace of ideas.
What Lord Jesus? The one who died on the cross? If the multiverse exists, then there was a Jesus who didn't die on the cross. And there was never a Jesus who became flesh and dwelt among men. If everything possible happened, those things happened too.
Um, so it is integral to their make up that they are different from each other in their formation? think real long and hard as to what that means and I am sure your superior intellect will grasp how that relates to their genetic make up.
We will be known forever by the tracks we leave. - Dakota
Go Forward With Courage
When you are in doubt, be still, and wait;
when doubt no longer exists for you, then go forward with courage.
So long as mists envelop you, be still;
be still until the sunlight pours through and dispels the mists
-- as it surely will.
Then act with courage.
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No one here has said that men are made different from one another. I have not said that. There is no such thing as a genetic difference in regards to election. Election has NOTHING to do with genetics.
Hebrews 13: 8Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever
We will be known forever by the tracks we leave. - Dakota
Go Forward With Courage
When you are in doubt, be still, and wait;
when doubt no longer exists for you, then go forward with courage.
So long as mists envelop you, be still;
be still until the sunlight pours through and dispels the mists
-- as it surely will.
Then act with courage.
Ponca Chief White Eagle
Are they different in how they are formed and are the elect made with such that by the preaching of the Word they hear and are saved?
We will be known forever by the tracks we leave. - Dakota
Go Forward With Courage
When you are in doubt, be still, and wait;
when doubt no longer exists for you, then go forward with courage.
So long as mists envelop you, be still;
be still until the sunlight pours through and dispels the mists
-- as it surely will.
Then act with courage.
Ponca Chief White Eagle
No.
No.and are the elect made with such that by the preaching of the Word they hear and are saved?
Ephesians 2:3
All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our flesh and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature deserving of wrath.
You speak out both sides of your mouth.
So why again do you bother to preach when the elect are predestined to believe?
We will be known forever by the tracks we leave. - Dakota
Go Forward With Courage
When you are in doubt, be still, and wait;
when doubt no longer exists for you, then go forward with courage.
So long as mists envelop you, be still;
be still until the sunlight pours through and dispels the mists
-- as it surely will.
Then act with courage.
Ponca Chief White Eagle
That's a fair point. So I guess you can't say that this particular multiverse theory is true and realize all its implications and still be Christian. I was commenting more generally on the idea that there is more than universe, which the Bible doesn't comment on. I'm not saying I believe it. I'm inclined not to, but I don't know for sure that there aren't, and neither do you.
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Actually you did not answer my question and you misrepresented my position. I said every possible thing happened. It's not possible that Jesus didn't die on the cross. Why? Because God wouldn't allow the existence of a universe where He didn't win. That still leaves for an infinite number of possible universes.
Now back to my question. Do you believe that the sun actually stood still? Yes or no?
It's not my theory. It's quantum mechanics. It's science that is not contradicted by the Bible. That the sun is fixed in relation to the earth is science that is contradicted by a literal reading of the Bible but you (I think) believe it anyway. That you are afraid to give a simple yes or no to a simply question is quite telling. What is your "motivation" for hiding from the question?Wait...why do you say you can know anything at all based on this theory of yours?
9/11 Thermate experiments
Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
No it's not a fair point. It's a dishonest point. I said that anything that is possible happens. Somethings are not possible. God doesn't allow for the possibility of a multiverse where Jesus didn't die for mankind. And that is what is predestined. Thus you have predestination and freewill at the same time. I have explained this all before multiple times in other threads. Sola_Fide has to lie about my position in order to attempt to refute it.
9/11 Thermate experiments
Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
Christian Liberty, you never responded to my comment on why you think that universalists don't believe that believing in Christ's death and resurrection is the only way to get to heaven.
Sorry. A universalist cannot believe John 3:18, which Jesus presents as a necessary part of the gospel. Those who don't believe are condemned already. To say that every man without exception is going to heaven is to blatantly call Jesus a liar, it is a blatantly liberal position, but it is damnable heresy.
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Yep.
I'm not sure why a universalist couldn't believe in John 3: 18. They believe that those who do not believe are condemned. They just don't believe that the condemnation lasts forever. I'm not necessarily saying that they're saved. I think it's a serious error. But I do think it's the case that they believe that believing in Christ's death and resurrection is the only way to make it to heaven, which makes their view a lot different from the universalism which says that all religions are equal and all religions lead to heaven.
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