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Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
Ron Paul 2004
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It's all about Freedom
Of course a non-believer would go around quoting that severely abused passage out of context. The "Judge not part" came right after Jesus talked about not being a hypocrite. "Judge not lest ye be judged" is just a warning not to be a hypocrite in your judgment or you might get called out on it. It doesn't say we should never claim to know the difference between right and wrong. We're supposed to judge.
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No. That is an impossible reading of those verses. Because in the same verses, they talk about the ones who were not elect:
The disobedient ones are predestined. The elect ones are predestined as well.1st Peter 2:8-9
for they stumble because they are disobedient to the word, and to this doom they were also appointed.
But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God’s own possession, so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light,
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People go to Hell too. How you can question this, who knows...That is just nuts.
Jesus said:
Mark 9:43-48
If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out.
And if your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than to have two feet and be thrown into hell.
And if your eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell, where
“ ‘the worms that eat them do not die,
and the fire is not quenched.
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No He didn't. Even in the Old Covenant, the sacrifice was made for the ones who drew near, NOT for all people.
And the New Covenant is better than the Old Covenant, because the blood of bulls and goats could never take away sin. The high priest, year after year, made sacrifice for the sins of the people with blood that could never take away sin.
But in the New Covenant, Christ's work is complete. He made His one sacrifice as the high priest and then SAT DOWN at the right hand of God (meaning His work of intercession was done).
Sola, there's nothing in those verses that says they go there forever. You know it says in another place that people are brought out of hell to the judgement.
Yes the fire never goes out, that doesn't mean those who experience it are in it forever.
You are using scripture to support your point and then saying, "so it follows...".
When a trumpet sounds in a city, do not the people tremble?
When disaster comes to a city, has not the Lord caused it? Amos 3:6
Why don't you refer to Scripture? I gave you the passage I was talking about where God explicitly says He is also addressing "the aliens in your camps" and both those present and not present. In other words, He was very, very careful to point out that He was addressing every single person.
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The Arminian Heresy Of Unlimited Atonement
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I don't believe that God needs people to burn forever in order to feel better. You have not provided a single Bible verse to support that bovine scat. You have turned the Bible on its head and made God a liar. God said "You shall surely die." You teach Lucifer's lie that "You shall NOT surely die." Do you even understand the reason why God kicked Adam and Eve out of the garden of Eden? Hint. It wasn't to satiate His wrath.
Edit: One more thing. John taught that Jesus' propitiation was not just for the sins of Christians, but for the entire world. I know. You don't believe John actually meant what he said. But that's the only rational reading of 1 John 2:2.
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9/11 Thermate experiments
Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
That's very strange. Let me show you why. You read "God is love" and you see the emphasis placed on love over justice and vengeance and you say, "Wow, God's love is the only thing holding us back from His eternal vengeance!" I look at the same emphasis on love and I say, "Wow, God's vengeance is the only thing holding us back from His eternal love!" Being that God is love, which one makes more sense?
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I was thinking exactly the same thing of you..
you paint God as a heartless capricious narcissistic tyrant.. I do believe He is Just. and not capricious. He is also merciful.
Yes,, He is a sovereign God,, and can do whatsoever he chooses. I just believe that He chooses differently than you do.
Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
Ron Paul 2004
Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
It's all about Freedom
When a trumpet sounds in a city, do not the people tremble?
When disaster comes to a city, has not the Lord caused it? Amos 3:6
God wouldn't be just if he didn't punish sin?
Or, God wouldn't be just if he didn't punish sin for you to witness?
Somehow I think it's the latter. Why? Because if he didn't punish sinners for you to watch how 'o how are you going to get confirmation that you are one of the elect?
When a trumpet sounds in a city, do not the people tremble?
When disaster comes to a city, has not the Lord caused it? Amos 3:6
9/11 Thermate experiments
Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
9/11 Thermate experiments
Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
We will be known forever by the tracks we leave. - Dakota
Go Forward With Courage
When you are in doubt, be still, and wait;
when doubt no longer exists for you, then go forward with courage.
So long as mists envelop you, be still;
be still until the sunlight pours through and dispels the mists
-- as it surely will.
Then act with courage.
Ponca Chief White Eagle
Yeah I do. Satiate or satisfy means to be made to feel better. If you are hungry and you are then satisfied you feel better. Jesus sacrifice isn't about making God feel better. God said he takes no pleasure in the destruction of the wicked. But there is a wage to be paid for sin. That wage, according to the Bible, is death. It is not eternal torture. You have made God a liar.
9/11 Thermate experiments
Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
You really breathe life into the saying, "when you only have a hammer, everything looks like a nail."
All things to the glory of God!!!!!!!
Why did this happen? - To show God's glory.
How did it happen? - Because God showed His glory.
When did it happen? - When God was at His most glorious.
Is God's name Jealous or Gloria?
God is REASONABLE. God loves reason. God loves stories that make sense.
You can't answer every "why" and criticism with - SMACK!!! - He is sovereign. All he does is for His Glory. Period.
God doesn't hide behind, "Because I can! So shut it!", so why do you?
When a trumpet sounds in a city, do not the people tremble?
When disaster comes to a city, has not the Lord caused it? Amos 3:6
It doesn't exist at all. The word "hell" was simply a word that was created by English translators and inserted into the Bible. Jesus never taught such a concept. Jesus taught about Gehenna, which as I mentioned earlier is a literal place located outside of Jerusalem. It's not some place located within the earth's core where people are tormented with fire. Jesus spoke of a literal place located right outside of Jerusalem.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gehenna
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