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    Treasury won't explain decision to make $3 billion in Obamacare payments

    The U.S. Treasury Department has rebuffed a request by House Ways and Means Chairman Rep. Paul Ryan, R- Wis., to explain $3 billion in payments that were made to health insurers even though Congress never authorized the spending through annual appropriations.

    At issue are payments to insurers known as cost-sharing subsidies. These payments come about because President Obama’s healthcare law forces insurers to limit out-of-pocket costs for certain low income individuals by capping consumer expenses, such as deductibles and co-payments, in insurance policies. In exchange for capping these charges, insurers are supposed to receive compensation.

    What’s tricky is that Congress never authorized any money to make such payments to insurers in its annual appropriations, but the Department of Health and Human Services, with the cooperation of the U.S. Treasury, made them anyway.

    Health and Human Services spending on these cost-sharing payments is one of the issues named in House Speaker John Boehner’s lawsuit against the Obama administration's executive actions on Obamacare.

    In a Feb. 3 letter to Treasury Secretary Jack Lew, Ryan, along with House Energy and Commerce Committee Chair Rep. Fred Upton, R-Mich., asked for “a full explanation for, and all documents relating to” the administration’s decision to make the cost-sharing payments without congressional authorization.

    In response, on Wednesday, the Treasury Department sent a letter to Ryan largely describing the program, without offering a detailed explanation of the decision to make the payments. The letter revealed that $2.997 billion in such payments had been made in 2014, but didn't elaborate on where the money came from. Over the next decade, cost-sharing payments to insurers are projected by the Congressional Budget Office to cost taxpayers nearly $150 billion.

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    For fiscal year 2014, the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (the division of Health and Human Services that implements the program), asked Congress for an annual appropriation of $4 billion to finance the cost-sharing payments that year and another $1.4 billion “advance appropriation” for the first quarter of fiscal year 2015, “to permit CMS to reimburse issuers …”

    In making the request, CMS was in effect acknowledging that it needed congressional appropriations to make the payments. But when Congress rejected the request, the administration went ahead and made the payments anyway.

    The argument that annual appropriations are required to make payments is also backed up by a report from the Congressional Research Service, which has differentiated between the tax credit subsidies that Obamacare provides to individuals to help them purchase insurance, and the cost-sharing payments to insurers.

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    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/tr...rticle/2560739



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    U.S. Treasury Made an Unconstitutional Transfer of 3 Billion Dollars To Obamacare Insurers

    And the hits keep on coming today! They basically sidestepped Congress!

    http://hotair.com/archives/2015/02/2...-wont-say-why/

    It’s right there in the Constitution: “No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time to time.”

    Which is why this latest episode of lawlessness from the administration so particularly galling. “The U.S. Treasury Department has rebuffed a request by House Ways and Means Chairman Rep. Paul Ryan, R- Wis., to explain $3 billion in payments that were made to health insurers even though Congress never authorized the spending through annual appropriations,” The Washington Examiner’s Philp Klein reported on Thursday.

    That’s right. The payments insurers receive, dubbed “cost –sharing subsidies,” are designed to offset the costs incurred when they pick up the out-of-pocket expenses for low-income individuals covered by Affordable Care Act plans. If insurers had to cover these costs themselves, Obamacare would be infeasible. So, the federal government picks up the tab for the newly insured as they go about receiving “free” health care.


    There’s just one tiny, unconstitutional problem: Congress never authorized the distribution of those funds. “But the Department of Health and Human Services, with the cooperation of the U.S. Treasury, made them anyway,” Klein reported.
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    Their only recourse is impeachment. They don't have the balls to do that though.
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    Where's a SCOTUS when you need one?

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    Well, I know a lot of so-called conservatives who supported the mandate because they felt like they were having to pay the healthcare costs of people who weren't insured, and they claimed Obamacare's mandate (a concept of a mandate which was birthed by 'republicans') was supposed to fix that.

    I tried to warn them that people still wouldn't be able to afford their premiums (or if they could afford them, they would prefer to have things like I-phones and nice rims, and paying insurance bills wouldn't be high on their 'priority' list), and that we would still be taxed to subsidize their health insurance.

    So basically the only impact Obamacare had in 'helping' taxpayers was to make sure the insurance middle-man gets a cut—which, of course, didn't help the taxpayers at all, it just added another opportunistic leech to the mix.
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    Consequences would be racist.

    The U.S. Treasury Department has rebuffed a request by House Ways and Means Chairman Rep. Paul Ryan, R- Wis., to explain $3 billion in payments that were made to health insurers even though Congress never authorized the spending through annual appropriations.

    At issue are payments to insurers known as cost-sharing subsidies. These payments come about because President Obama’s healthcare law forces insurers to limit out-of-pocket costs for certain low income individuals by capping consumer expenses, such as deductibles and co-payments, in insurance policies. In exchange for capping these charges, insurers are supposed to receive compensation.
    Nothing fascist about that!
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    Corporatocracy wins again. The bail outs will just keep coming. Que the student loan bailouts in 3, 2, .....

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    Corporatocracy wins again. The bail outs will just keep coming. Que the student loan bailouts in 3, 2, .....
    Just let me get one first
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    Quote Originally Posted by idiom View Post
    Their only recourse is impeachment. They don't have the balls to do that though.
    The only impeachment proceedings I see on the horizon is an act of God. ROFL

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    Sweet, more evidence for my non compliance.
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