5.56mm ammo to be federally banned

[Cabal]

Obama to ban bullets by executive action, threatens top-selling AR-15 rifle

As promised, President Obama is using executive actions to impose gun control on the nation, targeting the top-selling rifle in the country, the AR-15 style semi-automatic, with a ban on one of the most-used AR bullets by sportsmen and target shooters.

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives this month revealed that it is proposing to put the ban on 5.56 mm ammo on a fast track, immediately driving up the price of the bullets and prompting retailers, including the huge outdoors company Cabela’s, to urge sportsmen to urge Congress to stop the president.

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"The Obama administration was unable to ban America's most popular sporting rifle through the legislative process, so now it's trying to ban commonly owned and used ammunition through regulation," said Chris W. Cox, executive director of the NRA-ILA, the group's policy and lobby shop. "The NRA and our tens of millions of supporters across the country will fight to stop President Obama's latest attack on our Second Amendment freedoms."

At issue is so-called “armor-piercing” ammunition, an exemption for those bullets mostly used for sport by AR-15 owners, and the recent popularity of pistol-style ARs that use the ammo.

The inexpensive 5.56 M885 ammo, commonly called green tips, have been exempt for years, as have higher-caliber ammunition that also easily pierces the type of soft armor worn by police, because it’s mostly used by target shooters, not criminals. The agency proposes to reclassify it as armor-piercing and not exempt.

[Ronin Truth]

AK-47, anyone?

[Uriel999]

AK-47, anyone?

They got the steel core AK-47 ammo years ago. Last year they got AK-74 ammo called 7N6. However, M855 is NOT armor piercing ammo by either the BATFE's definition OR the US military. M995 is the designation for 5.56 armor piercing ammunition. Also, armor piercing ammunition is designated with a black tip.

Also, the 7N6 they got last year technically isn't AP either.

[RPtotheWH]

Good thing my AR15 takes .223 ammo. Usually the gov is stupid enough to slide this kind of technical glitch by.

[pcosmar]

They got the steel core AK-47 ammo years ago. Last year they got AK-74 ammo called 7N6. However, M855 is NOT armor piercing ammo by either the BATFE's definition OR the US military. M995 is the designation for 5.56 armor piercing ammunition. Also, armor piercing ammunition is designated with a black tip.

Also, the 7N6 they got last year technically isn't AP either.

.22 LR.
Aim for eyes.

$#@! a bunch of armor.

[presence]

.22 LR.
Aim for eyes.

$#@! a bunch of armor.

[KCIndy]

.22 LR.
Aim for eyes.

$#@! a bunch of armor.

Damn straight. In any defense, there is always a weak spot, a weakest link. When you know how something works, you know how to make it NOT work.

[Pericles]

What to do in case of an ammo ban:

! Go to ammo stash:

2. Select one can of ammunition:



3. Open can:



4. Remove one bandolier of ammunition:



5. Load magazine



6. Happy hunting

[VIDEODROME]

[nobody's_hero]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it also depends on what you shoot 5.56 through.

5.56 ammo worked well in the M16/AR15 variants because the longer barrel enabled the bullet to reach higher velocities which meant better penetration. One of the criticisms of the M4 carbine, which also fires 5.56, was that the shortened barrel of the gun, meant for close-quarters fighting, led to a lower velocity and less penetration. Maybe that's been addressed but I recall a lot of soldiers didn't like the M4 when it was first issued because it couldn't get the same performance out of the 5.56mm ammo that they were used to getting with the M16s.

The saddest part about these bans is that you ALWAYS see a segment of gun owners—who happen not to have that certain kind of caliber ammunition—throw their fellow gun enthusiasts under the bus and forsake them, hoping they can hold on to their own guns a while longer.

Sort of a 'first they came for the 7.62, but I said nothing, because I didn't own 7.62 . . .'

[AngryCanadian]

Honestly i can see why some want the guns and ammo banned. Can you imagine someone pointing a gun at your head for disagreeing with you over smallest things?

[Origanalist]

Honestly i can see why some want the guns and ammo banned. Can you imagine someone pointing a gun at your head for disagreeing with you over smallest things?

Someone like a cop?

[nobody's_hero]

Someone like a cop?

With a grant-purchased M16 his 3-cop department got for $300 a pop, and all the 5.56 he can shoot dogs with, or to fight terrorism in Rural-wanda, USA.

[AngryCanadian]

Someone like a cop?

Your next door neighbor.

"Your not going to tell me or how i should view the Israeli state or Bush"

[Cabal]

Honestly i can see why some want the guns and ammo banned. Can you imagine someone pointing a gun at your head for disagreeing with you over smallest things?

I can imagine how someone who might be inclined to such action wouldn't be impeded by any law or ban.

[nobody's_hero]

Your next door neighbor.

"Your not going to tell me or how i should view the Israeli state or Bush"

Meh. In my opinion, gun owners are for the most part tolerant of disagreement. It's the people in power who want to ban guns who don't tolerate disagreement, which is why they ban guns (or the ammo used in them).

Armor-piercing ammo is the worst possible ammo you could use in a gang-hit, a hold-up, or any other typical criminal activity. Or a disagreement with your neighbor, as you say. How many people (civilians) go around wearing body armor? Armor-piercing bullets will go right through you; it may hit a vital organ, but it will go right through flesh. 5.56mm will make a pin-hole. '

Now, hollow point and various other expanding ammunition types do the real damage. They make a small entry wound, and as the bullet meets resistance during its path through the body, the lead expands, knocking a much larger hole in your organs. I'd much rather be hit with armor-piercing bullets than a hollow point that turns my liver into spaghetti sauce. If this executive order were about saving you from your psychotic neighbor (which FYI the government doesn't give a $#@! about you), they would be banning hollow-point ammo.

This ban isn't about protecting us from each other, public safety, or other nonsensical claims. It's about making sure that when the cattle-car-loaders knock down your doors in the middle of the night and demand to search your attic for politically-blacklisted Constitutionalists, you won't have anything to counter the ballistic shield and armor suits they will be wearing. So off to the gas chamber you go and hope someone finds your diary.

[morfeeis]

It's like pollux troy said in face off "it's like they're begging us to riot".

[heavenlyboy34]

Meh. In my opinion, gun owners are for the most part tolerant of disagreement. It's the people in power who want to ban guns who don't tolerate disagreement, which is why they ban guns (or the ammo used in them).

Armor-piercing ammo is the worst possible ammo you could use in a gang-hit, a hold-up, or any other typical criminal activity. Or a disagreement with your neighbor, as you say. How many people (civilians) go around wearing body armor? Armor-piercing bullets will go right through you; it may hit a vital organ, but it will go right through flesh. 5.56mm will make a pin-hole. '

Now, hollow point and various other expanding ammunition types do the real damage. They make a small entry wound, and as the bullet meets resistance during its path through the body, the lead expands, knocking a much larger hole in your organs. I'd much rather be hit with armor-piercing bullets than a hollow point that turns my liver into spaghetti sauce. If this executive order were about saving you from your psychotic neighbor (which FYI the government doesn't give a $#@! about you), they would be banning hollow-point ammo.

This ban isn't about protecting us from each other, public safety, or other nonsensical claims. It's about making sure that when the cattle-car-loaders knock down your doors in the middle of the night and demand to search your attic for politically-blacklisted Constitutionalists, you won't have anything to counter the ballistic shield and armor suits they will be wearing. So off to the gas chamber you go and hope someone finds your diary.

You're clearly an Irrational Citizen. Reported to Big Sister.

[satchelmcqueen]

cause only an ar15 can kill people.....

[Suzanimal]

Connecticut Senator: Anyone Wanting a High-Capacity Magazine is “Arming Against the Government”

The same senator who admitted lying to Sandy Hook families to get them to come to Washington in order to have them lobby for votes on unconstitutional gun confiscation legislation, is now claiming that if you want a high-capacity magazine for your gun, then you must be "arming against the government."

Senator Chris Murphy (D-CT), a virtually unknown senator until the Sandy Hook incident, has conspired with gun grabbing senators Richard Blumenthal (D-CT) and Robert Menendez (D-NJ) to co-sponsor Rep. Elizabeth Esty's (D-CT) unconstitutional bill that would limit magazine capacity to only 10 rounds across the nation. This seems to be right in line with the Sandy Hook Commission, whose recommendations for Connecticut were completely without thought to the Constitution.

Murphy pushed the bill only hours after an Army veteran was arrested for allegedly threatening to shoot up the Capitol building.

"Think of the damage that someone could do in the U.S. Capitol with 30 rounds," Murphy said on Thursday.

I've got an idea for Senator Murphy and all the communist gun grabbers like him, think of the damage you could inflict on someone who would enter the Capitol building intent on doing damage if you weren't passing such stupid laws that make yourselves vulnerable. Think of how insignificant those threats would be if you actually carried a firearm in the Capitol building and people were not restricted by pretended legislation that is in violation of the Second Amendment.

Furthermore, I don't see Senator Murphy quaking in his shoes about armed federal agents, do you? Shouldn't he be concerned that one might "go off the deep end" and use his weapon at the Capitol?

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Read more at http://freedomoutpost.com/2015/02/co...6brlADTW8QK.99

[DamianTV]

If they cant ban the guns outright, then ban the Ammo.

[tangent4ronpaul]

White House says ammo ban will save cops’ lives
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ve-cops-lives/

Can anyone remember a case where a cop was ever shot at with a AR? I can't.

Last I remember seeing FBI statistics, long guns were only used in something like 0.5% of firearms crimes. Why? hard to conceal. Also, AW's in general are not used in crimes because they are expensive.

-t

[Acala]

Honestly i can see why some want the guns and ammo banned. Can you imagine someone pointing a gun at your head for disagreeing with you over smallest things?

Yup. It totally makes sense for only government to have guns because government has proven over
many centuries that only it is peaceful and virtuous enough to be armed. It's not like government would ever slaughter its own people or engage in unjust war against innocents.

[pcosmar]

White House says ammo ban will save cops’ lives
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ve-cops-lives/

Can anyone remember a case where a cop was ever shot at with a AR? I can't.

Last I remember seeing FBI statistics, long guns were only used in something like 0.5% of firearms crimes. Why? hard to conceal. Also, AW's in general are not used in crimes because they are expensive.

-t

Last I had known,,, (unless there is some I am unaware of) the last registered Full auto weapon used in a crime was used by a Cop.

[pcosmar]

White House says ammo ban will save cops’ lives

-t

White House is wrong,, again.

Pushing this stupid $#@!, and armored up out of control cops will however get more cops shot.

Cop pissing off otherwise Law Abiding citizens will cost cops lives.

[DamianTV]

When 5.56mm Ammo is Outlawed, only Outlaws will have 5.56mm Ammo.

Indivualism Fail: This ban will only affect the "Law Abiding Citizens", which by their definition of "Law Abiding" is fewer and fewer of us every single day.

[satchelmcqueen]

this should be so illegal to do. banning a certain ammo? i remember saying (and many here said it to) a few years ago that if they couldnt ban guns, then theyd just ban the ammo. people laughed at me. well, here ya go!

how is this not being challenged? you cant ban ammo.

[Root]

I keep checking the new posts in this thread hoping for some good news. I don't even own anything that shoots 5.56 ammo.

[kpitcher]

I'm not a hardcore gun person so I'm curious... how hard is it to machine your own ammo?

[puppetmaster]

They came for the 556......no one cared...then they came for others.....push until they break....if they break. most will just say not my favorite caliber and sit and wait for their favorite to be banned.