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    Read 1984, here are the similarities with America that struck me the most. Feel free to add.

    I finally got around reading the book. It was great! I highly recommend it to everybody.
    Now here are the themes, institutions and ideologies that occurred in the book for which I found resemblances. It is beyond sad.
    We're living in an Orwellian nightmare-light. How long is it going to stay a light variety of it is an important question.

    Can you add any?

    The Ministry of Love:
    http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2...ans-black-site
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...erican-liberty

    The Ministry of Peace:
    http://www.defense.gov/

    The Ministry of Truth:
    http://www.storyleak.com/graphic-6-c...cent-of-media/

    The Ministry of Plenty:
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...es-exposed-by/

    Thoughtcrime:
    http://www.businessinsider.com/peopl...13-7?op=1&IR=T

    Double think:
    Obama contradicting himself. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxPfiZnhyQ8
    Obama contradicting himself. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cg0n0nIqgrc

    Duckspeak:
    Rumsfeld gibberish. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiPe1OiKQuk
    Greenspan proud about his gibberish. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0liegrixknA

    Telescreens:
    http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2014/05/...-and-watching/
    http://www.iflscience.com/technology...r-conversation
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Act

    Mass surveillance of public property:
    http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/britain-cct...don-big-312382

    Perpetual war:
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...n-terror-obama

    Goldstein:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Snowden

    The brotherhood:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_Keepers
    Last edited by fatjohn; 02-25-2015 at 10:16 AM.



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    I've always thought Brave New World was a more insightful portent into the future of Western society. Orwell saw a world where fascism took over, Huxley saw the end result of the insanity of democracy (whether he knew it or not).
    NeoReactionary. American High Tory.

    The counter-revolution will not be televised.

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    Thought Police.
    Quote Originally Posted by Torchbearer
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    I can't tell you how many videos of Ron or Rand I've run into (among others) where the "interviewer" only had them on in an attempt to work them into a Two Minutes of Hate segment.

    IMO this is the most infamous of them.
    There are no crimes against people.
    There are only crimes against the state.
    And the state will never, ever choose to hold accountable its agents, because a thing can not commit a crime against itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heavenlyboy34 View Post
    Thought Police.
    True. But you have to provide a link. Here's one for the thought police.

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/...-over-sermons/

    Actually this is a great idea! Would be cool to compile this into a video.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

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    The Big Brother surveillance state and The Ministry of Love, The Ministry of Peace and The Ministry of Truth are pretty much fully implemented now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePaleoLibertarian View Post
    I've always thought Brave New World was a more insightful portent into the future of Western society. Orwell saw a world where fascism took over, Huxley saw the end result of the insanity of democracy (whether he knew it or not).
    I have viewed this a bit differently.

    The world in which we live has, until perhaps very recently, been a combination of the two. It had the sweet, crunchy coating of BNW with the chewy center of 1984.

    Since 9/11 (actually long prior) that candy coating has been progressively thinning and, in some areas, has actually given way to the chewy, gooey, openly rotten center it had covered for so many decades.

    The candy was the lure by which the American people were taken in. Once ensnared, there was no more reason to retain the longer-term maintenance of the costly coating. In time, the coating is being allowed to dissolve by dribs and drabs in the acidic rain of our current political tyranny as the trapped meaner adjusts to his new reality. In more time and in generations to come, the meaner and his grandchildren will be completely accepting and even demanding of their condition. I have no doubt that in the precise spirit of Minitrue they will be taught to fear freedom and through that fear, to hate it with bitter and unrelenting venom. Their existences (note, they will not have "lives") will be narrow and bland and utterly devoid of anything that you or I might consider worthy of our desire and esteem. They will be sufficiently satisfied - after all, what choice will they have when the managerial technologies will have narrowed their channels of thought to such constriction that for those people nothing else will exist. There will be no happiness as we know it, but just this bland, semi-awareness sufficient to nothing greater than the discharge of duties to which their material existences will have been assigned by their betters. That is pure 1984.

    Huxley's vision was similar, but far too generous. I do not for a moment believe that Theye would ultimately tolerate a world of bouncy, "pneumatic", happy drones. I have found in my observations that such personality types appear to thrive on the misery of others. They appear to crave and demand it as matters of entitlement by virtue of their positions as the elite of the world. Perhaps it is the relief the come to feel, seeing the abject horror of the lives of others while knowing that it is not they who occupy such lowly positions. "Position" appears to me to be a major element in this equation. Such people crave position superior to that of those around them. Those at the top crave the greatest gap between themselves and those over whom they presume to lord. Now consider how the two visions, Huxley's and Orwell's, play to that desire. Which provides the greater gap - that between Themme and doped-up jiggly-tits or those living the nightmare existence of the crushed prole, bred to every sort of dullness?

    Orwell's vision stands to prevail in the longer term due to the sadistic nature of those who tend to seek political power over their fellows. Huxley gave us alphas, betas, and gammas. Orwell's vision stands to render up what I will call "omegas"; creatures bred to that dull-wittedness such that not only have they no desire for anything better, they have not even the capacity to come to such a want. The omega is the slave that knows not his true status, but deems himself king of a population of one. How vastly superior shall the elite man then feel as he lords over his army of helpless dimwits!
    Through lives and lives shalt thou pay, O' king.

    Freedom will be stolen from you in a heartbeat if you do not behave as a wild and ravening beast pursuant to its protection.

    "Government" is naught but a mental construct, a script to which people meekly accept and play out their assigned roles by those with no authority to dictate such.

    Pray for reset.




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