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    Welfare/child support used to buy winning lottery ticket

    An "unemployed" person regardless of sex or familial obligations has used monies they didn't earn to play the lottery.

    Betcha a cyber nickel that she doesn't even offer to split her winnings with those who financed her gambling....

    I'd bet another cyber nickle that the courts will uphold all standing "child support" orders levied against her ex(s)....




    Single mother of 4 revealed as one of three $564M Powerball jackpot winners

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/02/24...cmp=latestnews

    A single mother of four from a small North Carolina town came forward Monday as one of three winners in a huge Powerball jackpot drawn earlier this month.

    For Marie Holmes, the best thing about the lucky ticket in the $564 million jackpot is that she'll be able to provide for her children, she said at a news conference. All are under the age of 7 -- three daughters and a son with cerebral palsy.

    Holmes, 26, said she gave her mom $15 to buy five Quick Pick tickets at a Scotchman convenience store on her way to church.

    Holmes and her family live in a single-wide trailer in Shallotte, North Carolina -- a coastal town of about 4,000 people just north of the South Carolina border. She worked at Wal-Mart, McDonald's and other places before recently quitting to stay home with her children.

    She didn't watch the Feb. 11 numbers drawing on television and didn't learn she held the winning ticket until the following morning.

    The winning numbers were: 11, 13, 25, 39, 54 and the Powerball 19. The odds of hitting the jackpot were 1 in 175 million.

    "I started screaming and jumping around," Holmes said. "I said to my kids, `You just don't understand what this means."'

    A couple weeks later, life is already different. Security staff now accompanies her everywhere, which she said is taking some getting used to. At the news conference Monday, she was flanked by a lawyer and a financial adviser.

    Holmes said she'll take the lump-sum payment option of $127 million, which will total about $88 million after taxes. She said she'll tithe a percentage of the money to her church and charities.

    She has no immediate plans for what to do with her life after becoming a multi-millionaire but said she may go back to finish her college degree. Holmes also wants to travel, perhaps to Paris -- she's never been outside the U.S.

    "I am humbled and grateful for the opportunities this has created for my family," she said.

    Another of the three winners has elected to remain anonymous in Puerto Rico. The third winner, in Texas, hasn't come forward. The Texas Lottery posted on Twitter that one of the winning tickets was sold at Appletree Food Mart in Princeton, a city about 40 miles north of Dallas.

    Holmes' win is the fourth time that a North Carolina ticket has claimed a Powerball jackpot. She is also now the largest lottery winner in state history, eclipsing a retired firefighter from Asheville who won $141 million in 2010.

    It had been nearly a year since a Powerball prize reached the giant number people have come to expect recently. That was last February, when someone won $425.3 million.

    In 2012, state officials who run Powerball and Mega Millions changed ticket prices and lowered the odds of winning jackpots in hopes the moves would increase the number of huge prizes and draw more players. The new rules worked, causing jackpots to repeatedly climb to record levels. More than half of the top 10 U.S. jackpots have been reached in the past couple of years.

    The Feb. 11 jackpot was the third-largest in Powerball history and the fifth-largest U.S. lottery prize. The last time a Powerball jackpot climbed so high was May 2013, when a Florida ticket won a $590.5 million prize.



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    I agree the lottery is a money extracting scheme for government, it just irked me to read an article trumpeting the virtues of this particular "winner"...

    The sentence about how she intends to tithe a portion to her church yet no mention of the folks who have literally supported her is particularly offensive to me. Were I her Pastor, instead of rubbing my mits together in glee I'd be advising her to settle up before tithing....But that's just me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    I agree the lottery is a money extracting scheme for government, it just irked me to read an article trumpeting the virtues of this particular "winner"...

    The sentence about how she intends to tithe a portion to her church yet no mention of the folks who have literally supported her is particularly offensive to me. Were I her Pastor, instead of rubbing my mits together in glee I'd be advising her to settle up before tithing....But that's just me.
    Yeah, irks me too. But, at least, the state will get 88 million back. Far more than she ever would have payed back had she not won. And I agree that her pastor should offer some advise about what to do with her winnings. Set up trade/educational foundations for those on welfare in her area. Perhaps a day care so the parent(s) could go look for work. Etc.

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    Well, look at it this way:

    She's not on welfare anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Well, look at it this way:

    She's not on welfare anymore.
    Lump sum welfare is still welfare..

    This money wasn't earned or inherited...

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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    Lump sum welfare is still welfare..

    This money wasn't earned or inherited...
    No, it wasn't.

    But it wasn't pulled out of your wallet at gunpoint either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    No, it wasn't.

    But it wasn't pulled out of your wallet at gunpoint either.
    Very true.

    I suppose "winning" should count for earning just so long as one doesn't look at the source of the monies wagered..

    For some reason this just twists my knickers...


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    I'm betting this fine person is still cashing the checks from child support too...



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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    Very true.

    I suppose "winning" should count for earning just so long as one doesn't look at the source of the monies wagered..

    For some reason this just twists my knickers...
    What twists your knickers, and mine, is that the welfare money should have went towards...welfare. Even if it was just a $2 lottery ticket. I don't really consider it any different than those that used their EBT cards at casinos and strip clubs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    What twists your knickers, and mine, is that the welfare money should have went towards...welfare. Even if it was just a $2 lottery ticket. I don't really consider it any different than those that used their EBT cards at casinos and strip clubs.
    Exactly!

    And "child support", in my opinion, should be used for the child not moms groceries/utilities/rent/clothes/dope or gambling.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    Very true.

    I suppose "winning" should count for earning just so long as one doesn't look at the source of the monies wagered..

    For some reason this just twists my knickers...


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    I'm betting this fine person is still cashing the checks from child support too...
    No, you're right, it wasn't "earning" by any stretch of the imagination.

    There's now a family out of the system, and that's always a good thing, AFAIC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    Exactly!

    And "child support", in my opinion, should be used for the child not moms groceries/utilities/rent/clothes/dope or gambling.....
    Should, and we all know how often it is not.

    Poor people, in many cases, are poor because of poor decisions...like spending grocery money on lottery tickets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    No, you're right, it wasn't "earning" by any stretch of the imagination.

    There's now a family out of the system, and that's always a good thing, AFAIC.
    If this family really gets out of the system I'll sing their allocades...

    But.................

    As long as this "single mom" keeps her children tied to the family court system and keeps cashing checks ordered by that system I'm not able to.

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    Does anybody have her phone number?
    Last edited by NorthCarolinaLiberty; 02-24-2015 at 09:05 AM.

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    Not really an excuse nor justification, but don't you imagine that the taxes on her lottery winnings paid back much more than her accumulated total welfare payments?

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    I suppose , without looking , there is a chance she is still qualified for welfare. As far as I know , that would be based on current income , not what you have in the bank ?



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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post

    I'd bet another cyber nickle that the courts will uphold all standing "child support" orders levied against her ex(s)....
    I can guarantee that had a father of these children won the lottery his "child" payments would have been significantly increased to raise her standard of living.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    I can guarantee that had a father of these children won the lottery his "child" payments would have been significantly increased to raise her standard of living.
    You can bet your bottom dollar on that!

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    Child support is extortion .

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    What twists your knickers, and mine, is that the welfare money should have went towards...welfare. Even if it was just a $2 lottery ticket. I don't really consider it any different than those that used their EBT cards at casinos and strip clubs.
    The "system" exists to be abused.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Well, look at it this way:

    She's not on welfare anymore.
    LOL. True. And she'll have to pay a lot of it back in taxes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    Very true.

    I suppose "winning" should count for earning just so long as one doesn't look at the source of the monies wagered..

    For some reason this just twists my knickers...


    [edit]

    I'm betting this fine person is still cashing the checks from child support too...
    That depends on the law of the state. In my state child support is in part calculated based on the income of both parents. Women in some circumstances can be ordered to pay child support to men. I could have had my ex pay me child support but I didn't want that.
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    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
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    Okay. Here's my view. As long as the state isn't going to be too particular about who buys the tickets there's not sense in being concerned about who wins the money. I heard the other day that in my state if you win the lottery but you are a felon you aren't allowed to collect the money. What kind of sense does that make? I know nobody has proposed any new laws in this thread, but I could imagine someone passing a "If you win the lottery and you are on welfare you can't get the money" law. If someone on welfare happens to buy a bitcoin and it goes through the roof what then?
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
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    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.



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    I'm not really bothered by this.

    I'm bothered by the system in general, mind you. But, if we must have a welfare system, the least bad thing to do is at least have it just be a cash transfer, rather than also a means of restricting liberty.

    Negative income tax, while not "good", is the best form of welfare. You get a lump sum. If you use it badly, its on you. The government doesn't tell you how to spend it.

    Getting too upset about this, IMHO, is actually playing into the system's hands. We've all been hurt by this system, but we should be far more upset with the government that created it than with this woman.
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    Also, split the winnings with WHO, exactly?

    The entire USA? What would be the point of that?

    If it had been a smaller number of people who had been supporting her, maybe. But seriously. I wouldn't get upset over this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JK/SEA View Post
    glad she won.
    Agreed. But let's hope it's not all gone in 5 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    Agreed. But let's hope it's not all gone in 5 years.
    rofl, I give it 3

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Okay. Here's my view. As long as the state isn't going to be too particular about who buys the tickets there's not sense in being concerned about who wins the money. I heard the other day that in my state if you win the lottery but you are a felon you aren't allowed to collect the money. What kind of sense does that make? I know nobody has proposed any new laws in this thread, but I could imagine someone passing a "If you win the lottery and you are on welfare you can't get the money" law. If someone on welfare happens to buy a bitcoin and it goes through the roof what then?
    Well , , when bitcoin goes to a million , they can pay back the welfare .

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