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    Gov. Scott Walker: ‘I don’t know’ whether Obama is a Christian or loves America

    While dDG has been called worse things like "gift from hell" by American media personalities, seen as dishonest by majority of Americans in the past and about half of GOP does not see him as a Christian ... following tone is somewhat astonishing coming from "Mayor of America" and a sitting governor:


    Gov. Scott Walker: ‘I don’t know’ whether Obama is a Christian

    Scott K. Walker, governor of Wisconsin, dismissed questions about President Obama’s faith Saturday. (Andrew Harrer/Bloomberg News)
    By Dan Balz and Robert Costa February 21 at 5:56 PM

    Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, a prospective Republican presidential contender, said Saturday he does not know whether President Obama is a Christian.
    “I don’t know,” Walker said in an interview at the JW Marriott hotel in Washington, where he was attending the winter meeting of the National Governors Association.
    Told that Obama has frequently spoken publicly about his Christian faith, Walker maintained that he was not aware of the president’s religion.
    “I’ve actually never talked about it or I haven’t read about that,” Walker said, his voice calm and firm. “I’ve never asked him that,” he added. “You’ve asked me to make statements about people that I haven’t had a conversation with about that. How [could] I say if I know either of you are a Christian?”
    Walker said such questions from reporters are reflective of a broader problem in the nation’s political-media culture, which he described as fixated on issues that are not relevant to most Americans.
    “To me, this is a classic example of why people hate Washington and, increasingly, they dislike the press,” he said. “The things they care about don’t even remotely come close to what you’re asking about.”
    Walker said he does not believe that most Americans care about such matters.“People in the media will [judge], not everyday people,” he said. “I would defy you to come to Wisconsin. You could ask 100 people, and not one of them would say that this is a significant issue.”
    After the interview was completed, Walker spokeswoman Jocelyn Webster telephoned The Washington Post to say the governor was trying to make a point of principle by not answering such kinds of questions, not trying to cast doubt on Obama’s faith.
    “Of course the governor thinks the president is a Christian,” she said. “He thinks these kinds of gotcha questions distract from what he’s doing as governor of Wisconsin to make the state better and make life better for people in his state.”
    Walker’s comments Saturday came after a week in which he was asked repeatedly whether he agreed with former New York mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani when he said at a private dinner last Wednesday that he was not sure whether Obama loves his country. Walker was a guest at the dinner.
    Walker again declined Saturday to weigh in on Giuliani’s characterization of the president’s patriotism and background.
    “I don’t know, I honestly don’t know, one way or the other,” Walker said. “I’ve said that 100 times, too.”
    Some of Walker’s possible rivals for the 2016 Republican presidential nomination have issued statements about Giuliani’s remarks.
    Former Florida governor Jeb Bush said late Friday in a statement distributed by aides: “Governor Bush doesn’t question President Obama’s motives. He does question President Obama’s disastrous policies.”
    Earlier in the week, Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal proactively declined to criticize the mayor. And while Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) told a reporter that he also didn’t believe that Obama doesn’t love America, he criticized reporters for seizing too often on comments made by various political players.
    On Saturday, Walker suggested that he is being held to a different standard than some Democrats. Citing Teamsters President James Hoffa’s criticism of the tea party movement at an Obama rally in 2011, Walker wondered why the president has also not been asked by reporters about controversial comments made by figures who are prominent on the left.
    “Was it Jimmy Hoffa that ripped on the tea party and called them unpatriotic, and the president was standing there and nobody asked him that?” Walker asked. “To me, it seems I’ve had multiple days of an incredible double standard. They don’t ask the president about people like Jimmy Hoffa, they don’t ask Hillary Clinton about others out there.
    “My focus isn’t on what the mayor said,” he continued, referring to Giuliani. “My focus is on why I believe, should I choose to get in this election, why I believe we need a fighter.”
    Later Saturday, Walker was scheduled to attend a gathering of conservative leaders with anti-tax activist Grover G. Norquist.
    Some figures on the right have consistently questioned Obama’s faith, with some suggesting that he is a Muslim. Obama, however, has often talked about his Christian faith, as he did recently at the National Prayer Breakfast.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...48a_story.html



    Rudy Giuliani gets death threats for claims Obama doesn't love America as Scott Walker weighs in to BACK former mayor


    • Former New York mayor Rudy Giuliani has received death threats in the wake of his controversial statements about President Barack Obama
    • Giuliani: 'I'm right about this. I have no doubt about it. I do not withdraw my words'
    • Wisconsin's Republican Gov. Scott Walker said he doesn't know whether the president loves the country and urged reporters to ask the president what he thinks

    By Associated Press and Charlene Adams for MailOnline
    Published: 15:12 EST, 21 February 2015 | Updated: 17:50 EST, 21 February 2015
    Former New York mayor Rudy Giuliani says he is standing by his comments about President Barack Obama but has received death threats in the wake of the controversial statements.
    Facing criticism over his statements that the president doesn't love Obama, Giuliani says he is not withdrawing his words, even amid death threats he and his secretary received following the remarks, CNN reports.
    The former mayor did not say whether he contacted police about the threatening calls.

    Standing By: Former New York mayor Rudy Giuliani (photographed) says he is standing by his comments about President Barack Obama but has received death threats in the wake of the controversial statements

    Giuliani told CNN that though he has received death threats, a majority of the voice mails left at his office were in support of his remarks made Wednesday at a private dinner for Wisconsin's Republican Gov. Scott Walker.
    'I'm right about this. I have no doubt about it. I do not withdraw my words,' Giuliani told NBC Friday.
    'I do not detect, in this man, the same rhetoric and the same language, the same love of America that I detected in other American presidents including democrats.'

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2963251/I-not-withdraw-words-Rudy-Giuliani-stands-controversial-comments-amid-death-threats-saying-Obama-doesn-t-love-America-Scott-Walker-says-doesn-t-know-president-does-not.html


    Giuliani’s claim the White House invited Al Sharpton up to 85 times


    By Michelle Ye Hee Lee December 30, 2014
    (cbsnews.com/Reuters)
    “I think you missed one very important point. He has had Al Sharpton to the White House 80, 85 times. … You make Al Sharpton a close adviser, you are going to turn the police in America against you.”
    –Former New York City mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani, CBS News’ “Face the Nation,” Dec. 28, 2014
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...p-to-85-times/





    Poll: 46% of GOP thinks Obama's Muslim






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    I thought it was common knowledge that Obama worships no one but himself.

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    I thought Ghouliani was "Mayor Of 'Murica".
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    I don't know whether Scott Walker is a Christian. I never cared to question it.

    As for Giuliani's question about loving America, I don't give a $#@!. You see, I remember when George W Bush was president and I'd receive emails from mindless drones that said anybody who criticized the president was an "American hater". Apply the same standards to anyone who criticizes Obama. Don't worry. You'll see it again. Your idiotic aunts and uncles will send you the emails saying criticizing the president is unacceptable right after a Republican takes the office.

    $#@! jingoism. If you don't have an american flag lapel piercing on your nipple, then you hate america.
    Last edited by fr33; 02-22-2015 at 12:11 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fr33 View Post
    I don't know whether Scott Walker is a Christian. I never cared to question it.

    As for Giuliani's question about loving America, I don't give a $#@!. You see, I remember when George W Bush was president and I'd receive emails from mindless drones that said anybody who criticized the president was an "American hater". Apply the same standards to anyone who criticizes Obama. Don't worry. You'll see it again. Your idiotic aunts and uncles will send you the emails saying criticizing the president is unacceptable right after a Republican takes the office.

    $#@! jingoism. If you don't have an american flag lapel piercing on your nipple, then you hate america.
    Yep. I've pretty much broken anything even remotely resembling "nationalism" at this point. I don't even really think the FFs were that great, which would put me at odds with some here.
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    My $2 is on atheist communist .

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    Neither Obama or Scott Walker are Christians. Scott Walker is one of those "free will Baptist" sort of guys. One of his church's statements of faith is:

    14. We believe that the depraved sinner is saved wholly by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, and the requisites to regeneration are repentance toward God and faith in the Lord Jesus Christ (Luke 13:3-5; John 3:16-18; Acts 20:21; Rom. 6:23; Eph. 2:8, 9), and that the Holy Spirit convicts sinners, regenerates, seals, secures, and indwells every believer (John 3:6; John 16:8, 9; Rom. 8:9-11; 1 Cor. 6:19, 20; Eph. 4:30; Titus 3:5).
    http://www.abaptist.org/ABA/believe.html

    This is wrong, because there are no requisites to regeneration. Rather, regeneration is the cause of faith. You don't believe to be regenerated. You believe because you have been regenerated:
    Acts 13:48

    When the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and honored the word of the Lord; and all who were appointed for eternal life believed.
    You see, all those who were appointed to eternal life believed. It wasn't their faith that gave them eternal life. It was their eternal appointment that was the cause of their faith.

    So something so fundamental as this disqualifies Scott Walker from being a Christian in the way the Bible describes Christianity.



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    Ron and Daniel discussed those comments at 12:35 (the whole thing is worth watching though):



    I love that man!

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    this is about as important as what name Obomba uses to refer to the caliphate seekers. both are pathetic examples of why i'm often ashamed to be a member of the republican party.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heavenlyboy34 View Post
    I thought Ghouliani was "Mayor Of 'Murica".
    I didn't properly chronicle this story in OP, first Giuliani said that Obama did not love America and then Gov. Walker backed him up.


    Rudy Giuliani gets death threats for claims Obama doesn't love America as Scott Walker weighs in to BACK former mayor


    • Former New York mayor Rudy Giuliani has received death threats in the wake of his controversial statements about President Barack Obama
    • Giuliani: 'I'm right about this. I have no doubt about it. I do not withdraw my words'



    Quote Originally Posted by surf View Post
    this is about as important as what name Obomba uses to refer to the caliphate seekers. both are pathetic examples of why i'm often ashamed to be a member of the republican party.
    While I see your point but only partially agree. While speculating on his beliefs might be unimportant for you and me, in the context of overall US political dynamic and history, belief system of a US president is immensly important factor in America today.

    In this particular case, it is almost as important as was US decision to invade Iraq.

    Poll: 46% of GOP thinks Obama's Muslim

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    Walker was really refusing to get in on the issue. He wasn't saying he didn't think the President isn't Christian.

    Walker again declined Saturday to weigh in on Giuliani’s characterization of the president’s patriotism and background.
    “I don’t know, I honestly don’t know, one way or the other,” Walker said. “I’ve said that 100 times, too.”

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    I know Obama loves America. I just know it, in my heart...
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    Quote Originally Posted by bxm042 View Post
    I know Obama loves America. I just know it, in my heart...
    When people switch over to the public sphere from the private sphere, they become morally perfect and have pure motives always. It's the magic of government.

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    I don't know whether either Obama or Walker are Christians or love America. I do know that Rudy Giuliani is worse than both of them combined. He thinks that Obama doesn't "love America" because he isn't as pro war as Giuliani would like him to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    My $2 is on atheist communist .
    He's not an atheist. Clearly his religion is statism.



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