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    Prostitution Temporarily Legalized In New York Following Court Ruling

    Well it is between "consenting adults." It will be interesting to see how this plays out. And I have to hand it to these ladies lawyers. Calling prostitution "interactive pornography" and oral sex "performance art" is quite inventive.

    http://drudgereport.com.co/prostitut...-court-ruling/
    Prostitution is currently legal in the State of New York, without the regulations and restrictions that Nevada has, after a federal judge ruled in favor of a “working girl” who claimed her oral sex technique was an act of performance art for which she deserved to be compensated, while a second woman described her acts as “interactive pornography,” which makes her not a prostitute, but an “actress.”

    The two women, Elizabeth Benson and Deborah Brown, were arrested last July in Staten Island, New York after police had caught them “entertaining clients” in cars parked near one another. When NYPD booked the women, they both claimed that their arrests were violations of their first amendment rights, as they weren’t engaging in prostitution, but art.



    Benson and Brown, defended in court in October 2014 by a small team of lawyers working pro bono, were found guilty of solicitation, prostitution, and public lewdness and were sentenced to 14 months imprisonment. But their legal team successfully managed to win them an appeal, and on Tuesday, February 17th, a judge ruled for their immediate release from prison… while also temporarily legalizing prostitution in New York State, so long as the prostitute can explain how their work constitutes art.

    “Prostitutes are protected by the same rights afforded to corporations under the first amendment, and have an even stronger case when their physical acts are contributions toward public art,” says Judge Kevin Knowles. “That they accept payment in no way invalidates the quality of their work or the statement they’re making through artistic expression.”

    Judge Knowles went on to compare the case to Citizens United. “The Supreme Court ruled that money equals free speech. That corporations hold the same personhood rights as an individual. If that’s true, I don’t see how our society can criminalize or even condemn prostitution. I don’t care how gifted Ms. Benson or Ms. Brown are, they aren’t going to screw even one one-thousandth as many people in a year as Time Warner Cable does in an hour. What that corporation does constitutes a bigger health threat and more of a public menace than anything these prostitutes do. I’m starting to wonder who the real prostitutes even are.”

    New York State is hoping to appeal Knowles’ decision with the Supreme Court, though Benson and Brown have already been released from jail. Brown says she expects to be back to work — “making interactive pornographic plays” — as early as Thursday.

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    I don’t care how gifted Ms. Benson or Ms. Brown are, they aren’t going to screw even one one-thousandth as many people in a year as Time Warner Cable does in an hour.
    ^^^Quote of the day!

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    I don’t care how gifted Ms. Benson or Ms. Brown are, they aren’t going to screw even one one-thousandth as many people in a year as Time Warner Cable does in an hour.
    ^^^Quote of the day!
    Really? I thought that part weakened his argument/ruling.

    I'd prefer something like this:

    I don’t care how gifted Ms. Benson or Ms. Brown are, they aren’t going to screw even one one-thousandth as many people in a year as bad judges, bad prosecutors, bad politicians and bad bureaucrats do every single day.

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    lol, we live in a "Free" country where we dont even own our own bodies.








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    It is kinda weird that getting paid to have sex in a video would be legal while prostitution wouldn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZENemy View Post
    lol, we live in a "Free" country where we dont even own our own bodies.








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    Owning your own body only means you can kill another body growing in side it. But you can't smoke, drink, use illicit drugs, pay for sex, marry two people at the same time, eat trans fat, not wear a seatbelt or helmet or do any of a myriad of other things to your own body without government permission. Oh, you can change the gender of your body, and eventually that will be covered under Obamacare.
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    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
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    Are they running a special on STDs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    Really? I thought that part weakened his argument/ruling.

    I'd prefer something like this:

    I don’t care how gifted Ms. Benson or Ms. Brown are, they aren’t going to screw even one one-thousandth as many people in a year as bad judges, bad prosecutors, bad politicians and bad bureaucrats do every single day.
    Better!

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    the question is...why do we need prostitutes..?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JK/SEA View Post
    the question is...why do we need prostitutes..?
    Waiting on somebody to blame the "need" on men...........

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    Quote Originally Posted by erowe1 View Post
    It is kinda weird that getting paid to have sex in a video would be legal while prostitution wouldn't.
    Good point. From here forward, couldn't a prostitute merely fire up a go-pro and insist that she's filming a movie? Totally legal, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by limequat View Post
    Good point. From here forward, couldn't a prostitute merely fire up a go-pro and insist that she's filming a movie? Totally legal, right?
    a written contract would be needed.

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    As if buying dinner and a movie isn't paying for sex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    As if buying dinner and a movie isn't paying for sex.
    to be fair, whats 'expected' can be problematic, because a woman shouldn't be made to feel she has to spread her legs because you bought her a Big Mac, and a large Coke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JK/SEA View Post
    to be fair, whats 'expected' can be problematic, because a woman shouldn't be made to feel she has to spread her legs because you bought her a Big Mac, and a large Coke.
    Those who don't, just want to be paid more. Perhaps on the third date she will be satisfied that you have paid enough.



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    Quote Originally Posted by JK/SEA View Post
    to be fair, whats 'expected' can be problematic, because a woman shouldn't be made to feel she has to spread her legs because you bought her a Big Mac, and a large Coke.
    Then she should buy her own Big Mac and large Coke (is this a fat woman we're talking about...?).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    Those who don't, just want to be paid more. Perhaps on the third date she will be satisfied that you have paid enough.
    good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Philhelm View Post
    Then she should buy her own Big Mac and large Coke (is this a fat woman we're talking about...?).
    good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Philhelm View Post
    Then she should buy her own Big Mac and large Coke (is this a fat woman we're talking about...?).
    Yeah, maybe you should have bought a bale of hay instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JK/SEA View Post
    the question is...why do we need prostitutes..?
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    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    Waiting on somebody to blame the "need" on men...........
    Its sorta like blaming the invention of restaurants on hungry and/or lazy people who can't and/or too busy to cook. Oh wait, that's right, they are to blame for restaurants.

    So yea, 95% of the reason for prostitutes existing is because of horny men.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Philhelm View Post
    Then she should buy her own Big Mac and large Coke (is this a fat woman we're talking about...?).
    You jest but.....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jl6o0ChPUc
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    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Well, look at her fingernails, she couldn't cook even if she was starving to death.



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    We are all actors on the big stage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by puppetmaster View Post
    We are all actors on the big stage.
    True. And we are all clients of prostitutes. We pay politicians to screw us.
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    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Its sorta like blaming the invention of restaurants on hungry and/or lazy people who can't and/or too busy to cook. Oh wait, that's right, they are to blame for restaurants.

    So yea, 95% of the reason for prostitutes existing is because of horny men.
    Well you can't blame a person for getting hungry and you can't blame men for being horny....

    You CAN 'blame' a person for not finding and preparing their own food, but if the reason they aren't doing so is because they are busy PROVIDING OTHER TYPES OF GOODS AND SERVICES to the community to enjoy in trade for money, then you can't exactly blame them for spending that money at a restaurant.

    Where your analogy really falls apart is that whereas a man or woman has the physical ability to gather food and cook for themselves, a man does not have the ability to get sex without a woman as masturbation is a poor unfulfilling short term solution to finding sex. So is it the man's fault no 'restaurants' are open or he doesn't have a girlfriend/wife to 'cook' for him? I guess it depends. What do women want in a sexual partner? An alpha male stud. So if every man was an alpha male stud, then I suppose we could speculate women would be having sex with a broader segment of the population, more often. However, what would a society like that be like? Ultra-aggressive? More gang or tribal type warring? I mean, right now in many modern societies most wars are confined to government provocation.

    So women like to blame men for the aggression and violence in society, and then they blame men when they can't get laid. This proves that women as a whole, and often individually, don't have any clue on earth wtf they want.
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    And you can't blame the folks for just trying to peacefully make a buck addressing market demands by using their natural resources, talents and skills.
    Last edited by Ronin Truth; 02-19-2015 at 02:07 PM.

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    Benson and Brown, defended in court in October 2014 by a small team of lawyers working pro bono
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    Its about damn time the statists realized that if porn is legal, then so is prostitution.


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