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    ISIS and End-Times Christians: trying to bring back Jesus


    What ISIS Really Wants


    The Islamic State is no mere collection of psychopaths. It is a religious group with carefully considered beliefs, among them that it is a key agent of the coming apocalypse. Here’s what that means for its strategy—and for how to stop it.

    By Graeme Wood - March 2015

    What is the Islamic State?

    Where did it come from, and what are its intentions? The simplicity of these questions can be deceiving, and few Western leaders seem to know the answers. In December, The New York Times published confidential comments by Major General Michael K. Nagata, the Special Operations commander for the United States in the Middle East, admitting that he had hardly begun figuring out the Islamic State’s appeal. “We have not defeated the idea,” he said. “We do not even understand the idea.” In the past year, President Obama has referred to the Islamic State, variously, as “not Islamic” and as al-Qaeda’s “jayvee team,” statements that reflected confusion about the group, and may have contributed to significant strategic errors.
    ...
    The Islamic State, also known as the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham (ISIS), follows a distinctive variety of Islam whose beliefs about the path to the Day of Judgment matter to its strategy, and can help the West know its enemy and predict its behavior. Its rise to power is less like the triumph of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt (a group whose leaders the Islamic State considers apostates) than like the realization of a dystopian alternate reality in which David Koresh or Jim Jones survived to wield absolute power over not just a few hundred people, but some 8 million.
    ...
    In November, I traveled to Australia to meet Musa Cerantonio, a 30-year-old man whom Neumann and other researchers had identified as one of the two most important “new spiritual authorities” guiding foreigners to join the Islamic State. For three years he was a televangelist on Iqraa TV in Cairo, but he left after the station objected to his frequent calls to establish a caliphate. Now he preaches on Facebook and Twitter.
    ...
    We met for lunch in Footscray, a dense, multicultural Melbourne suburb that’s home to Lonely Planet, the travel-guide publisher. Cerantonio grew up there in a half-Irish, half-Calabrian family. On a typical street one can find African restaurants, Vietnamese shops, and young Arabs walking around in the Salafi uniform of scraggly beard, long shirt, and trousers ending halfway down the calves.

    Cerantonio explained the joy he felt when Baghdadi was declared the caliph on June 29—and the sudden, magnetic attraction that Mesopotamia began to exert on him and his friends.
    ...
    The last caliphate was the Ottoman empire, which reached its peak in the 16th century and then experienced a long decline, until the founder of the Republic of Turkey, Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, euthanized it in 1924. But Cerantonio, like many supporters of the Islamic State, doesn’t acknowledge that caliphate as legitimate, because it didn’t fully enforce Islamic law, which requires stonings and slavery and amputations, and because its caliphs were not descended from the tribe of the Prophet, the Quraysh.
    ...
    The caliphate, Cerantonio told me, is not just a political entity but also a vehicle for salvation. Islamic State propaganda regularly reports the pledges of baya’a (allegiance) rolling in from jihadist groups across the Muslim world. Cerantonio quoted a Prophetic saying, that to die without pledging allegiance is to die jahil (ignorant) and therefore die a “death of disbelief.” Consider how Muslims (or, for that matter, Christians) imagine God deals with the souls of people who die without learning about the one true religion. They are neither obviously saved nor definitively condemned...Cerantonio nodded gravely. “I would go so far as to say that Islam has been reestablished” by the caliphate.
    ...
    The Islamic State has its share of worldly concerns (including, in the places it controls, collecting garbage and keeping the water running), but the End of Days is a leitmotif of its propaganda.
    ...
    During the last years of the U.S. occupation of Iraq, the Islamic State’s immediate founding fathers, by contrast, saw signs of the end times everywhere. They were anticipating, within a year, the arrival of the Mahdi—a messianic figure destined to lead the Muslims to victory before the end of the world. McCants says a prominent Islamist in Iraq approached bin Laden in 2008 to warn him that the group was being led by millenarians who were “talking all the time about the Mahdi and making strategic decisions” based on when they thought the Mahdi was going to arrive.
    ...
    For certain true believers—the kind who long for epic good-versus-evil battles—visions of apocalyptic bloodbaths fulfill a deep psychological need. Of the Islamic State supporters I met, Musa Cerantonio, the Australian, expressed the deepest interest in the apocalypse and how the remaining days of the Islamic State—and the world—might look. Parts of that prediction are original to him, and do not yet have the status of doctrine. But other parts are based on mainstream Sunni sources and appear all over the Islamic State’s propaganda. These include the belief that there will be only 12 legitimate caliphs, and Baghdadi is the eighth; that the armies of Rome will mass to meet the armies of Islam in northern Syria; and that Islam’s final showdown with an anti-Messiah will occur in Jerusalem after a period of renewed Islamic conquest.
    ...
    Now that it has taken Dabiq, the Islamic State awaits the arrival of an enemy army there, whose defeat will initiate the countdown to the apocalypse.
    ...
    After its battle in Dabiq, Cerantonio said, the caliphate will expand and sack Istanbul. Some believe it will then cover the entire Earth, but Cerantonio suggested its tide may never reach beyond the Bosporus. An anti-Messiah, known in Muslim apocalyptic literature as Dajjal, will come from the Khorasan region of eastern Iran and kill a vast number of the caliphate’s fighters, until just 5,000 remain, cornered in Jerusalem. Just as Dajjal prepares to finish them off, Jesus—the second-most-revered prophet in Islam—will return to Earth, spear Dajjal, and lead the Muslims to victory.
    ...
    Much more: http://www.theatlantic.com/features/...-wants/384980/
    Analysis:

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Analysis of the article:

    This author and his story of ISIS desiring the return of Jesus have been featured throughout the mainstream media in the past week. The media is not criticizing it. Why would this happen? Is it a trial balloon? Is it a revelation of a future strategy by the establishment?

    At face value, the story is simply a pro-war piece. In other words, these true believers in the ISIS theology are not going to be deterred by anything other than full annihilation. But, as the hyperbolic title of this thread suggests, will anyone connect this purported ISIS belief in the return of Jesus with end-times Christians in America? Further, would it really be a problem for the establishment to alienate them?

    Some Christians of the end times variety have been very useful from a political perspective for the past couple of decades, especially for those who want intervention in the Middle East, primarily the (neo-Trostkyite) neoconservatives. They have expertly combined a political agenda with religion, via charlatans such as the infamous Pastor John Hagee.

    But how long will this subset of Christians be useful to the neoconservatives and the establishment? The following are are some factors that would play into that calculus:

    1) The rise of the Tea Party: While being useful in the past, the more that Americans join a limited government philosophy, they become less helpful to the big government establishment. The Tea Party has attracted many of the Christians who used to be so useful to the establishment. The limited government philosophy is anathema to the crony establishment.

    2) Immigration: Either by design or by simple dilution, the percentage of protestant Christians of all types is being diminished. As they diminish, so will their political usefulness. The majority of immigration is not Protestant Christian. They are primarily Catholic, or adhere to an Asian religion or philosophy. The establishment has done everything in it's power to facilitate this change. Is it time for them to adapt to the near future landscape?

    3) Jeb Bush: Perhaps the conversion of Jeb Bush from Protestant to Catholic is an indicator of the future envisioned by the establishment. The evangelical Christian cloak of George W. Bush has been discarded for the mantle of the well-established, and "timeless nature" of the Roman Catholic Church. This shift would fit in nicely with the New America, as envisioned by Jeb Bush and others.

    Bottom line: have the evangelical and Protestant Christians outlived their usefulness to the establishment and neoconservatives?
    Last edited by Brian4Liberty; 02-19-2015 at 12:39 PM.
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    How about rip out 'Revelations' and all the other nonsense in the Bible or STFU. If church goers aren't screaming for scripture reform, then why give a damn when Islam does the same? Sure I'm nonreligous and likely biased but these ancient tomes need a diet. Or remove the "Holy"/"Word of God" claims and declare it to be just another book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Free Hornet View Post
    How about rip out 'Revelations' and all the other nonsense in the Bible or STFU. If church goers aren't screaming for scripture reform, then why give a damn when Islam does the same? Sure I'm nonreligous and likely biased but these ancient tomes need a diet. Or remove the "Holy"/"Word of God" claims and declare it to be just another book.
    You can remove the book.. It will not change anything.
    What is going to happen will happen, but it will not be a "victory" for any involved.

    And there is another group of people that are deliberately working to make this $#@! happen,, but it is not the return of Christ that motivates them.
    They want to put Lucifer on the throne as a one world ruler. They have been actively working for that end.
    (and they are the ones in power)
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    My understanding is that those return plans, timing and agenda have already been decided and known for quite some time now.

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    Not the bible,, but written a long time ago.

    The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Free Hornet View Post
    How about rip out 'Revelations' and all the other nonsense in the Bible or STFU. If church goers aren't screaming for scripture reform, then why give a damn when Islam does the same? Sure I'm nonreligous and likely biased but these ancient tomes need a diet. Or remove the "Holy"/"Word of God" claims and declare it to be just another book.
    Right. Because the predictions in Revelation that a global elite would try to set up a surveillance state to track and ultimately control all commerce and ultimately kill those who won't go along is crazy. What? What's that you say? It's already happening? Nevermind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Let's assume for a minute that this article is right. If what ISIS really wants is an east/west war in Syria than why not back away from a direct military confrontation with ISIS and instead back the Assad government? Naw, that would make too much sense.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    So how do they expect Jesus to come back? as a Zombie?



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  11. #9
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Not the bible,, but written a long time ago.

    Albert Pike?

    http://www.threeworldwars.com/albert-pike2.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin Truth View Post
    Albert Pike?
    Allegedly. In 1871.
    It was mentioned in a book By Cmdr. William Guy Carr. A former intelligence officer.
    Carr died before the middle east was an issue at all, just shortly after the creation of Israel.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

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    It's all about Freedom

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Allegedly. In 1871.
    It was mentioned in a book By Cmdr. William Guy Carr. A former intelligence officer.
    Carr died before the middle east was an issue at all, just shortly after the creation of Israel.
    http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Books...this_world.pdf

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    Date says 1966,,
    Carr died in 1959. The book was his last and was published after his death.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Free Hornet View Post
    How about rip out 'Revelations' ... Or remove the "Holy"/"Word of God" claims and declare it to be just another book.
    Exactly that has happened in the past. The Book of Revelation was the last book to be added to many Christian biblical canons, and it almost never made it. Some never added it. It has been considered heretical at times. It is downplayed as "just another book" periodically by the Catholic Church and during the Reformation. In the last century, it has become popular again, probably for political purposes. No doubt there will again come a time when today's Revelation/End Times obsession will be considered heretical in mainstream Christianity. These things go in cycles.
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  16. #14
    Analysis of the article:

    This author and his story of ISIS desiring the return of Jesus have been featured throughout the mainstream media in the past week. The media is not criticizing it. Why would this happen? Is it a trial balloon? Is it a revelation of a future strategy by the establishment?

    At face value, the story is simply a pro-war piece. In other words, these true believers in the ISIS theology are not going to be deterred by anything other than full annihilation. But, as the hyperbolic title of this thread suggests, will anyone connect this purported ISIS belief in the return of Jesus with end-times Christians in America? Further, would it really be a problem for the establishment to alienate them?

    Some Christians of the end times variety have been very useful from a political perspective for the past couple of decades, especially for those who want intervention in the Middle East, primarily the (neo-Trostkyite) neoconservatives. They have expertly combined a political agenda with religion, via charlatans such as the infamous Pastor John Hagee.

    But how long will this subset of Christians be useful to the neoconservatives and the establishment? The following are are some factors that would play into that calculus:

    1) The rise of the Tea Party: While being useful in the past, the more that Americans join a limited government philosophy, they become less helpful to the big government establishment. The Tea Party has attracted many of the Christians who used to be so useful to the establishment. The limited government philosophy is anathema to the crony establishment.

    2) Immigration: Either by design or by simple dilution, the percentage of protestant Christians of all types is being diminished. As they diminish, so will their political usefulness. The majority of immigration is not Protestant Christian. They are primarily Catholic, or adhere to an Asian religion or philosophy. The establishment has done everything in it's power to facilitate this change. Is it time for them to adapt to the near future landscape?

    3) Jeb Bush: Perhaps the conversion of Jeb Bush from Protestant to Catholic is an indicator of the future envisioned by the establishment. The evangelical Christian cloak of George W. Bush has been discarded for the mantle of the well-established, and "timeless nature" of the Roman Catholic Church. This shift would fit in nicely with the New America, as envisioned by Jeb Bush and others.

    Bottom line: have the evangelical and Protestant Christians outlived their usefulness to the establishment and neoconservatives?
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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    The views and opinions expressed here are solely my own, and do not represent this forum or any other entities or persons.

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    Coincidentally, the author of the article, Graeme Wood, just came on the radio for an interview...

    He dropped the "Jesus" part in this interview.
    Last edited by Brian4Liberty; 02-19-2015 at 01:02 PM.
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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    The views and opinions expressed here are solely my own, and do not represent this forum or any other entities or persons.

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    Have you ever read the FBI Megiddo document?

    http://www.constitution.org/y2k/megiddo.pdf

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Analysis of the article:

    This author and his story of ISIS desiring the return of Jesus have been featured throughout the mainstream media in the past week. The media is not criticizing it. Why would this happen? Is it a trial balloon? Is it a revelation of a future strategy by the establishment?

    At face value, the story is simply a pro-war piece. In other words, these true believers in the ISIS theology are not going to be deterred by anything other than full annihilation. But, as the hyperbolic title of this thread suggests, will anyone connect this purported ISIS belief in the return of Jesus with end-times Christians in America? Further, would it really be a problem for the establishment to alienate them?

    Some Christians of the end times variety have been very useful from a political perspective for the past couple of decades, especially for those who want intervention in the Middle East, primarily the (neo-Trostkyite) neoconservatives. They have expertly combined a political agenda with religion, via charlatans such as the infamous Pastor John Hagee.

    But how long will this subset of Christians be useful to the neoconservatives and the establishment? The following are are some factors that would play into that calculus:

    1) The rise of the Tea Party: While being useful in the past, the more that Americans join a limited government philosophy, they become less helpful to the big government establishment. The Tea Party has attracted many of the Christians who used to be so useful to the establishment. The limited government philosophy is anathema to the crony establishment.

    2) Immigration: Either by design or by simple dilution, the percentage of protestant Christians of all types is being diminished. As they diminish, so will their political usefulness. The majority of immigration is not Protestant Christian. They are primarily Catholic, or adhere to an Asian religion or philosophy. The establishment has done everything in it's power to facilitate this change. Is it time for them to adapt to the near future landscape?

    3) Jeb Bush: Perhaps the conversion of Jeb Bush from Protestant to Catholic is an indicator of the future envisioned by the establishment. The evangelical Christian cloak of George W. Bush has been discarded for the mantle of the well-established, and "timeless nature" of the Roman Catholic Church. This shift would fit in nicely with the New America, as envisioned by Jeb Bush and others.

    Bottom line: have the evangelical and Protestant Christians outlived their usefulness to the establishment and neoconservatives?
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.



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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Have you ever read the FBI Megiddo document?

    http://www.constitution.org/y2k/megiddo.pdf
    Interesting! Never read it, but it does bring back memories. People have forgotten or were not old enough to remember how crazy the Y2K thing was. That certainly drove some good Christians to a dark place.

    But it is interesting in how the FBI was so interested in apocalyptic thought and the Book of Revelation. It's almost like this new article by Graeme Wood is just an update of that document, but with a new set of "villains".
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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    The views and opinions expressed here are solely my own, and do not represent this forum or any other entities or persons.

  21. #18
    Quote Originally Posted by The Free Hornet View Post
    How about rip out 'Revelations' and all the other nonsense in the Bible or STFU. If church goers aren't screaming for scripture reform, then why give a damn when Islam does the same? Sure I'm nonreligous and likely biased but these ancient tomes need a diet. Or remove the "Holy"/"Word of God" claims and declare it to be just another book.
    Rip it out huh?

    A Christian is going to have a hard time discounting the book that begins....

    The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: 2Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. 3Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
    When a trumpet sounds in a city, do not the people tremble?
    When disaster comes to a city, has not the Lord caused it? Amos 3:6

  22. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Coincidentally, the author of the article, Graeme Wood, just came on the radio for an interview...

    He dropped the "Jesus" part in this interview.
    This guy has been busy, noticed he was on another radio show today.
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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    The views and opinions expressed here are solely my own, and do not represent this forum or any other entities or persons.

  23. #20
    http://gcaw.net/about-2/

    Graeme Wood is a lecturer in political science at Yale University, a contributing editor to The Atlantic and The New Republic, and books editor of Pacific Standard.

    He was a reporter at The Cambodia Daily in Phnom Penh in 1999, then lived and wrote in the Middle East from 2002 to 2006. He has received fellowships from the Social Sciences Research Council (2002-2003), the South Asian Journalists Association (2009), the East-West Center (2009-2010), and the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum’s Center for the Prevention of Genocide (2013-2014). He has appeared many times on television and radio (CNN, ABC, BBC, MSNBC, et al.), was the screenwriter of a Sundance Official Selection (2010, short film), and led a Nazi-hunting expedition to Paraguay for a History Channel special in 2009.

    Graeme attended Deep Springs College, Harvard, Indiana University, and the American University in Cairo.

  24. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Interesting! Never read it, but it does bring back memories. People have forgotten or were not old enough to remember how crazy the Y2K thing was. That certainly drove some good Christians to a dark place.

    But it is interesting in how the FBI was so interested in apocalyptic thought and the Book of Revelation. It's almost like this new article by Graeme Wood is just an update of that document, but with a new set of "villains".
    The government pushed Y2K hysteria drove a lot of people to a dark place. It also drove some people to a temporarily smart place. While I disagree with Mormons on a lot of things, having at least a months supply of storeable food and water on hand regardless and being able to live of grid if necessary is just plain smart. I remember after Y2K the same media that was hyping it was saying "If you need to get rid of all that Y2K food here are some charities you can donate it to." I though "Why?" I mean sure give to charity, but why treat food that isn't going to go bad anytime soon as a liability?

    Back to project Megiddo, I ran across it by accident trying to find information about Megiddo and the battle of Armageddon in general. I was shocked and disappointed to find out that the government was already targeting people with end time beliefs. It's pretty much the forerunner of the MIAC documents. Interesting that Megiddo came out when Clinton was president and MIAC when Obama was president although Bush had his hand in MIAC as well.

    The article you posted mentioned David Koresh. How many people did Koresh kill? None on record. How many people did the government kill trying to arrest him for exercising his second amendment rights? Quite a few including children. See the propaganda being pushed? Years later, after all of the facts show the government was 100% in the wrong on that (Koresh could have been arrested when he went to town to go drinking without any dangerous standoff), someone is still pushing the "dangerous Jim Jones cult" angle. In fact the NBC TV show "The Blacklist" just did an episode last night where the villains were apocalyptic Christians. If you're not familiar with The Blacklist it's a show where an international criminal works with the FBI to catch worse criminals. I like the show but it's full of propaganda. Torture always works. The surveillance state is used for good. Sure there are some bad guys in government but the only way to fight them is for the good guys to violate everybody's rights. So this article makes me wonder what kind of angle TBTB are working on.
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    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

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    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    This guy has been busy, noticed he was on another radio show today.
    Or there is the possibility that the "elite" who are behind all this bull$#@! are manipulating peoples religious beliefs to push their agenda.

    And the propaganda.

    We are living in the "beginning of sorrows".

    For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. All these are the beginning of sorrows.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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  26. #23
    End of Times groups have also encouraged conflicts between Israel and Palestine to hurry the Second Coming. Encouraging violating the Ten Commandments (Thou Shalt Not Kill) so that they can get into Heaven.

  27. #24
    Your "at face value" analysis is spot on, Brian. It's pro-war propaganda all the time. The rest of it is insightful too.

    Wendy linked to this piece in her Fri. roundup:

    From the Atlantic: yes, the Atlantic has an Islam problem. Point #5 is particularly fascinating.
    5. If you are a young journalist or political writer, and you review the post-Iraq careers of those in the media who were for or against the Iraq war, the message is powerful and incontrovertible: when the next war effort comes around, as it surely will, be for it rather than against it. For if you go person by person through the rolls, you will find that those who were on what we widely acknowledge to be the wrong side of the question have achieved vastly more career success in media than those who were right. Those who were wrong, terribly, disastrously wrong, have gone on to far greater fame and fortune than those who were right, in dominant majorities. They are, as a class, speaking from positions of the greatest mainstream authority or drowning in VC cash, with the black swan exception of Judith Miller simply serving to prove the rule. That’s true whether the writers in question engaged in the apology theatrics that briefly came into fashion. (Such “apologies” usually took the form of being “wrong but for the right reasons,” of course.) No publication better reflects this tendency to reward those who were unforgivably wrong about the biggest foreign policy mistake in decades than The Atlantic.

    People ask why media never gets better. It never gets better because its members have no incentive to get better. When failure is rewarded and success ignored, the result is a series of broken institutions. At the airport, yesterday, I watched Wolf Blizter and his “terrorism expert” guest busily validate the case for ground war against ISIS. So: which way do you think the ambitious young strivers in our media will ultimately break?

    6. How badly would you have to fail in your job as a journalist or opinion writer before The Atlantic would refuse to hire you? Just how badly do you have to fail before the publication says “no thanks”? This is a question that I have been asking for years and years. I find it a perfectly uncontroversial question given the hiring history of the magazine, and yet it is constantly dismissed as axe-grinding, as obsession, or as ad hominem. I will ask again: how badly does someone have to screw up that The Atlantic would refuse to hired them? Given, that is, that they are towing the right line to satisfy the magazine’s self-identified neoconservative owner. It’s not a rhetorical question.

    7. Any honest consideration of The Atlantic‘s publishing history in the last fifteen years must admit that an inordinate number of their pieces take as their subject whether Muslims are uniquely violent, uniquely incompatible with modernity, uniquely deserving of suspicion, inherently bent towards extremism, or worthy of being considered the subject of bigotry and oppression. I am willing to discuss the magazine’s history on these matters but I am only willing to do so with those who are committed to doing so honestly. On the very day that Friedersdorf’s piece appeared, so did yet another Frum piece inveighing against the refusal to blame Islam for extremism, and so did Graeme Wood’s infinitely self-impressed piece taking the courageous, bold, contrarian stance that ISIS is bad, which has been widely interpreted as an argument for the inherent extremist tendencies of Muslims. (Update: read Jacob Bacharach on Wood’s historical illiteracy and absurd pretensions to daring.) The magazine occasionally publishes pieces that cut against this narrative, including some from Fridersdorf, for which I’m glad; it constantly publishes Muslim-trolling articles. You want to defend the magazine from these charges? Go ahead. But don’t tell me that I’m not identifying real aspects of the institutional and editorial culture of a publication that has given endless space to those who grind the axe against Islam, and in so doing helped normalize prejudices that are already mainstream.
    Also related:

    ISIS Is No More Islamic -- Than DC is Christian.
    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...C-is-Christian
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    There was a segment on CNN the other day at the gym, but the sound was off. The CNN title underneath said "Finding Jesus", but it was about an Egyptian bodybuilder/workout instructor who joined ISIS. Not sure if the title was leftover from a previous story, or it was somehow the intro to the ISIS piece? Did anyone catch that one?
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  30. #26
    And coincidentally, Graeme Wood is on CNN with Fareed Zakaria right now.

    They finally got around to the part about the final 5,000 being corned in Jerusalem, but notably, the part about Jesus saving them was not mentioned. Looks like the trial balloon did not work so well. Apparently, the subset of apocalyptic Christians still have a use to the elite right now.

    Not terribly surprising, as we are in a run-up to war, and George W. Bush will be out campaigning to that group to get them to vote for Jeb. Once immigration reform is enacted, then it will be time to finally discard them.
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  31. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    End of Times groups have also encouraged conflicts between Israel and Palestine to hurry the Second Coming. Encouraging violating the Ten Commandments (Thou Shalt Not Kill) so that they can get into Heaven.
    If you care to research those verses, will find it is supposed to be interpreted, "You shall not murder."

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  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    End of Times groups have also encouraged conflicts between Israel and Palestine to hurry the Second Coming. Encouraging violating the Ten Commandments (Thou Shalt Not Kill) so that they can get into Heaven.
    This it true..
    People are easily misled. That is the greatest threat in following someone.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

  34. #30
    Sudan's President claims CIA and Mossad 'stand behind' Isis and Boko Haram
    Why is Saudi Arabia not mentioned as prominently? And what is the rather odd connection/alliance with Saudi Arabia and Israel?

    They seem to be working together in instigating..
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
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