New Jersey gun laws: felony for possession of antique flintlock

[Suzanimal]

Gordon VanGilder, a 72 year old retired schoolteacher, now faces felony charges for possessing a 225 year old flintlock pistol, which he says he told a sheriff’s deputy about during a routine traffic stop. [NRA YouTube] For more on the tender mercies of New Jersey gun control laws, see our coverage of the Brian Aitken case.

http://overlawyered.com/2015/02/new-...que-flintlock/

[acptulsa]

Antique guns are too dangerous (who are they trying to protect--the barrel of a 225 year old gun is as likely to go backwards as to propel the lead ball forward), old cars are too dirty, old appliances too energy inefficient...

They're trying to flush every previous millennium down the memory hole. God forbid we learn anything from history--then we might not be doomed to repeat it.

[Anti Federalist]

If you're doing nothing wrong...

Cannot possess ANY working firearm in the People's Republic of New Jersey without a FOID.

Three Felonies a Day.

which he says he told a sheriff’s deputy about during a routine traffic stop

*sigh*

Never Talk to Cops!

[Anti Federalist]

Cop - "You gonna give me your consent or am I gonna have to get the dog?"

So, now you know that a dog is nothing more than a "trigger".

[aGameOfThrones]

Cop - "You gonna give me your consent or am I gonna have to get the dog?"

So, now you know that a dog is nothing more than a "trigger".

Got to trample on the 4th somehow.

[Southron]

but but the 14th amendment....states cant infringe on rights or so I was told.

[Danke]

but but the 14th amendment....states cant infringe on rights or so I was told.

Sonny that is just Tuff.

[acesfull]

This is a horrible injustice. One issue I see is that the citizen should never give permission for a search of the vehicle.
Also what was the RAS for the stop/detainment in the first place? Also I have lived in NJ since 1992( Not proud of it) I have never seen a sheriff make a routine traffic stop.. That seems unusual to me...

Also keep in mind that NJ does not have any mention in its state constitution concerning a citizens right to keep and bear arms.. Hence my reason for calling NJ the biggest anti 2A state in the country...

Mr.Vanglider does have in my opinion the best 2A / gun rights lawyer in the state of NJ..

Regards
CCJ

[navy-vet]

Dumb ass told the cop he had the flintlock.....geesh

[acesfull]

Dumb ass told the cop he had the flintlock.....geesh

In his defense, he is 72 YO and more then likely had very few encounters if any with LE, The sheriff was an ass H from jump street with his bullying tactics... I find it hard to believe that the state is moving forward with prosecuting this case... I total waste of tax payer money... Welcome to NJ...

[jbauer]

How many 72 year olds are muleing drugs. What possible reason would there have been to get the dog.

[Anti Federalist]

How many 72 year olds are muleing drugs. What possible reason would there have been to get the dog.

Cop had it in his head to toss this man's ride, for whatever reason, or more likely, no reason at all.

You call the attack dog unit, let him sniff around and give a pre-arranged "alert" to his handler, boom, there you go, probably cause. Now they can search and they can seize it under asset forfeiture if they so desired.

Maybe the cops needed a new toy and they figured this man's seized vehicle would do nicely. Finding the flintlock complicated the issue and irritated the cops, more than likely.

The government courts have ruled that all that is perfectly legal by the way.

[jbauer]

Oh I know some of the reasons. Just baffing that the cop would threaten a search on a 72 yr old. Must have had a quota to fill.

Cop had it in his head to toss this man's ride, for whatever reason, or more likely, no reason at all.

You call the attack dog unit, let him sniff around and give a pre-arranged "alert" to his handler, boom, there you go, probably cause. Now they can search and they can seize it under asset forfeiture if they so desired.

Maybe the cops needed a new toy and they figured this man's seized vehicle would do nicely. Finding the flintlock complicated the issue and irritated the cops, more than likely.

The government courts have ruled that all that is perfectly legal by the way.

[acesfull]

Anyone know where this injustice occurred? We should be emailing the assh sheriff and the prosecutor on this one...

I just send an email to the State attorney generals office voicing my opinion on this issue..

Anyone know if a defense fund was set up for this gentleman?

Regards

[phill4paul]

Use it or lose it.

[KCIndy]

Anyone know where this injustice occurred? We should be emailing the assh sheriff and the prosecutor on this one...

I just send an email to the State attorney generals office voicing my opinion on this issue..

Anyone know if a defense fund was set up for this gentleman?

Regards

This went down in Cumberland County, New Jersey:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...n-prison-for-/

Mr. Van Gilder, a collector of 18th-century memorabilia, said he had the gun unloaded and wrapped in a cloth in the glove compartment of his vehicle when he was pulled over in November by a Cumberland County sheriff’s deputy for a minor traffic violation

Ironically, this is the county right next door to Atlantic County, where a similar incident got Shaneen Allen jammed up with prosecutors last year. Sounds like it is going to be the same kind of fight, only in this case the charges are even MORE ridiculous. Ms. Allen had a working firearm, whereas Mr. VanGilder had a 300 year old antique.

Mr. VanGilder has retained Evan Nappen, the same Second Amendment attorney who represented Shaneen Allen. There's a link to the legal defense fund for Mr. VanGilder on the front page of Mr. Nappen's web site:

http://www.evannappen.com/


One thing is for sure: New Jersey has made it abundantly clear they're shooting for top spot in the Most Authoritarian State category.

[mrsat_98]

THank State the officer didn't get hurt.

[Anti Federalist]

Oh I know some of the reasons. Just baffing that the cop would threaten a search on a 72 yr old. Must have had a quota to fill.

I'm guessing some "good citizen" ratted him out, somebody that knew him and knew he had the pistol wrapped up in the glovebox.

See Something Say Something.

That's what had Officer Friendly aggressively sniffing around.

[Suzanimal]

Anyone know where this injustice occurred? We should be emailing the assh sheriff and the prosecutor on this one...

I just send an email to the State attorney generals office voicing my opinion on this issue..

Anyone know if a defense fund was set up for this gentleman?

Regards

He's raised 4,630.00 so far.

Van Gilder Legal Defense Fund

http://gogetfunding.com/project/van-...l-defense-fund

[acesfull]

This went down in Cumberland County, New Jersey:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...n-prison-for-/


Ironically, this is the county right next door to Atlantic County, where a similar incident got Shaneen Allen jammed up with prosecutors last year. Sounds like it is going to be the same kind of fight, only in this case the charges are even MORE ridiculous. Ms. Allen had a working firearm, whereas Mr. VanGilder had a 300 year old antique.

Mr. VanGilder has retained Evan Nappen, the same Second Amendment attorney who represented Shaneen Allen. There's a link to the legal defense fund for Mr. VanGilder on the front page of Mr. Nappen's web site:

http://www.evannappen.com/


One thing is for sure: New Jersey has made it abundantly clear they're shooting for top spot in the Most Authoritarian State category.

Thank you.

[acesfull]

He's raised 4,630.00 so far.

Van Gilder Legal Defense Fund

http://gogetfunding.com/project/van-...l-defense-fund

Thank you...

A donation was sent along with an email to the prosecutor.

Regards

[kahless]

The story is making the rounds, it made Greta's show tonight. How the hell is there not an uprising within the GOP to oust Christie from the party and censure him over his administrations continued outrageous individual rights abuses.

Man, 72, faces 'life sentence' for unloaded, antique gun
http://www.wnd.com/2015/02/man-72-fa...4AIymAZgRhv.99

In a situation reminiscent of the Shaneen Allen case, a 72-year-old retired school teacher in New Jersey faces a 10-year felony sentence (a likely life sentence) and the jeopardization of his pension for possession of an unloaded 300-year-old flintlock pistol.
...
“Van Gilder will be fortunate indeed if Nappen can win him a similar arrangement [as Allen]. Even a plea agreement that avoids jail time but convicts Van Gilder of a felony would likely jeopardize the teacher’s pension he spent 34 years earning.”