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    LIVE UPDATES: Ukraine peace talks in Minsk



    Foreground, from left: Russian President Vladimir Putin, French President Francois Hollande, German Chancellor Angela Merkel, and Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko at Independence Palace in Minsk during the peace talks on Ukraine, February 11, 2015. (RIA Novosti/Nikolay Lazarenko)

    The leaders of Germany, France, Russia and Ukraine are gathering in the Belarusian capital, Minsk, to discuss a last-ditch attempt to negotiate a political solution to the bloody Ukrainian civil war.

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    20:18 GMT: The Trilateral Contact Group on Ukraine is expected to sign a document on settling the crisis, which it will then hand over to the 'Normandy Four' leaders for approval, Russian Ambassador to Belarus Aleksandr Surikov said.

    “Right now the contact group is finalizing and handing over [the] signed and agreed document and then [leaders of the 'Normandy Four'] will either approve it or not. Right now, the 'Normandy summit' is discussing possible variants of the document,” Surikov said, as quoted by RIA Novosti.

    19:46 GMT: The leaders and their diplomatic teams, are discussing the "technical details" of the final document that could be signed at the end of the summit, an inside source in the German delegation has told RIA news agency.

    19:45 GMT: The shelling of Donetsk by Ukrainian forces continues, despite the 'Normandy Four' talks being underway in the Belarusian capital.

    One person was killed and seven others injured after a shell hit one of the hospitals in the eastern Ukrainian city.

    "A shell fired by the Ukraine army about an hour ago has hit Hospital 20 in the Kiev district of Donetsk. One person died and seven people were injured," the Emergencies Ministry of Donetsk People's Republic (DPR) said.

    Earlier, the militias said the territory they control was bombarded by Kiev on 19 occasions throughout the day.

    LIVE UPDATES: Ukraine peace talks in Minsk



    Previously - Hollande, Merkel go to Moscow to discuss Ukraine without consulting US – report

    Aside - Obama openly admits 'brokering power transition' in Ukraine
    Last edited by Natural Citizen; 02-11-2015 at 02:56 PM.



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    What I don't get is if people are dying by the hour, and every second counts, and this is a horrible tragedy, then why can't these yahoos video-conference?

    It's like everything is for show.

    Porky looks like he's awaiting his next order, but also unhappy that he has to play the bad guy.
    When a trumpet sounds in a city, do not the people tremble?
    When disaster comes to a city, has not the Lord caused it? Amos 3:6

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    Quote Originally Posted by wizardwatson View Post
    What I don't get is if people are dying by the hour, and every second counts, and this is a horrible tragedy, then why can't these yahoos video-conference?

    It's like everything is for show.

    Porky looks like he's awaiting his next order, but also unhappy that he has to play the bad guy.
    There are global economic shenanigans running congruent. 4-D chess...

    Backdrop to that... http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post5779322 (Bookmark it )

    Great question, btw.
    Last edited by Natural Citizen; 02-11-2015 at 03:01 PM.

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    The key thing is that Russia wants to keep and expand their Black Sea Fleet at Sevastopol in Crimea. Black Sea is their only sea access to the Mediteranian. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...Sea-fleet.html They also want/ need a land connection between the fleet and Russia so they want to control the corridor leading there. That is not yet secure so they won't call for a cease fire until they do. http://www.businessinsider.com/russi...-crimea-2014-8

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    The key thing is that Russia wants to keep and expand their Black Sea Fleet at Sevastopol in Crimea.
    They aren't the only ones, Zip. West is making defensive (and economic) moves by way of the Black Sea while also encircling Russia. I've lost track of how many bases the west has surrounding Russia while in the same breath referencing them as the aggressors. Yours is the first comment that I've read with regard that aspect. Very good grasshoppa...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    The key thing is that Russia wants to keep and expand their Black Sea Fleet at Sevastopol in Crimea. Black Sea is their only sea access to the Mediteranian. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...Sea-fleet.html They also want/ need a land connection between the fleet and Russia so they want to control the corridor leading there. That is not yet secure so they won't call for a cease fire until they do. http://www.businessinsider.com/russi...-crimea-2014-8


    According to your logic America the innocent little puppy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngryCanadian View Post
    According to your logic America the innocent little puppy.
    Yeah, I didn't see any of those military bases that surround Russia on Zip's picture. Although it seems safe to assume that he's aware simply by mention of the route.





    Who is the aggressor again?
    Last edited by Natural Citizen; 02-11-2015 at 05:44 PM.

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    Daniel McAdams, executive director of the Ron Paul Institute chimed in.

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    02:32 GMT: After nine hours of negotiations, Russian President Vladimir Putin was reportedly seen leaving the conference room. He was followed by German Chancellor Angela Merkel, Interfax reports. After a brief break, the leaders returned to the negotiations room.

    01:57 GMT: The Minsk talks are about to enter their tenth hour, with the delegations of Germany, France, Russia, and Ukraine still trying to reach a final compromise and come up with a joint resolution. Journalists have been covering the event for almost 12 hours now.

    01:06 GMT: The talks of the ‘Normandy Four’ leaders are continuing. It may take another five or six hours before a final agreement is reached, believes the head of President Poroshenko’s administration.

    “We’ve been working in teams for some seven hours. Now they are working in a four leaders format,” Valeriy Chaly said. “Too early [to share] details. I think we’ve got another five to six hours of work.”




    00:41 GM: While the Normandy Four try to reach a joint agreement on the resolution of the Ukraine crisis, Daniel McAdams, executive director of the Ron Paul Institute, raises speculation as to how the new accord will be implemented, highlighting the fact that the previous Minsk agreement failed to live up to its expectation because of US interference.

    “When you have a gathering of leaders of their stature, there will be a piece of paper that will come out of this meeting. None of them will want to walk away empty handed...but what value might it be and how might it be heated by those currently fighting for their lives in eastern Ukraine,” McAdams told RT. “I think certainly the US could be an impediment,” he said.



    The political analyst stressed that people in Ukraine are against the war in the east, with most conscripts refusing to serve in the military despite the mobilization enforced by the government. But Kiev, according to McAdams, is aggravating the situation on the ground so that Washington will become more involved in the crisis.

    “I think there may be a will amongst some in Kiev to fight this war, but I don't think there is personnel to fight...the US is a big factor but there has been a big push for the last couple of weeks, and I think it has been artificially jammed up to accelerate US involvement in what is happening in Ukraine. But I don't think it has taken much of the Ukrainian opinion into consideration,” McAdams said.

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    Ukraine peace deal: Ceasefire starting February 15, removal of heavy weapons...



    RIA Novosti / Alexey Druzhinin

    An agreement has been reached in Minsk to stop hostilities in Ukraine from Sunday, Russian President Vladimir Putin told the media.

    “I believe we agreed on a big deal. We agreed to a ceasefire starting at 00:00 on February 15,” he announced.

    The members of the “Normandy Four” – Putin, Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko, German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Francois Hollande – supported a joint declaration describing the result of their work.

    Continued - Ukraine peace deal: Ceasefire starting February 15, removal of heavy weapons




    Congruent - US military to train Kiev troops fighting in E. Ukraine – US Army commander


    The US military will train Kiev troops fighting against militias in southeast Ukraine, Ben Hodges, US Army Europe commander, said hours before the start of “Normandy Four” talks dubbed a “last chance” for the peaceful resolution of the conflict.

    The officers from the 173rd Airborne Brigade Combat Team in northeast Italy will be deployed to Ukraine as part of the plan, said Pentagon spokeswoman Lt. Col. Vanessa Hillman.

    According to Hillman, the military aid requested by the Kiev authorities was to help the formation and strengthening of the National Guard, which Kiev launched shortly after the coup in February 2014.

    The National Guard troops will be exercising according to “the traditional training systems of the US Navy Seals and Delta Force,” Semenchenko said.

    Since the fighting began in southeast Ukraine, the National Guard has been repeatedly accused of war crimes, including deliberate artillery fire at residential areas in the Donetsk and Lugansk Regions, and of blocking humanitarian aid for the regions.

    Last September, an Amnesty International report confirmed that abductions, executions and extortion had been committed by the Aidar volunteer battalion.

    Earlier this week, Obama said that the US was also examining the possibility of supplying “lethal defensive weapons” to the Kiev authorities.

    The plan is opposed by both Russia and the EU, who agree that there can be no military solution to the Ukrainian crisis.
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