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    OK considering chemical castration for sex offenders

    OKLAHOMA CITY (KWTV/CBS) - State Sen. Mark Allen is pushing Senate Bill 671 to legalize chemical castration of violent sex offenders.

    The procedure, already in effect in two other states, could be in Oklahoma before the end of the year.

    The Oklahoma version of the bill would allow someone with a first conviction to voluntarily undergo the hormone treatment program as part of terms for early release.

    After a second conviction an offender would be required to undergo treatment.

    Allen said he has studied the process in other states.

    "The inmate has to go through counseling before going through the process," Allen said. "I think they've had about a 90 percent success rate. If somebody wants an early release from prison they can go through the process."

    Attorney David Slane has represented more than 500 sex offenders and believes chemical castration could work. He said it already has with some of his clients.

    "I remember one in particular who told me he went to his doctor voluntarily," Slane said. "He used this hormone therapy and, as he said, 'It cured me. I no longer have the thoughts. I no longer have the sex drive.' For years afterwards he had never reoffended. So to me, that was proof in the pudding. There may be something here."

    Both Florida and California require mandatory chemical castration injections for repeat sex offenders.

    The Oklahoma bill has a long way to go, but if passed, it could go into effect in November.

    "Offenders are in jail for a reason, and if there are any options for early release then this could be one of their options," Allen said.


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    What if they are falsely convicted? Is it reversible?

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    Quote Originally Posted by green73 View Post
    What if they are falsely convicted? Is it reversible?
    That was my first thought. I'm not sure if it's reversible.
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    Government ordered--------Absolutely not!


    At the victims insistence-----------I'm open for discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by green73 View Post
    What if they are falsely convicted? Is it reversible?
    Chemical castration is generally considered reversible when treatment is discontinued, although permanent effects in body chemistry can sometimes be seen, as in the case of bone density loss increasing with length of use of Depo Provera.[3] Chemical castration has, from time to time, been used as an instrument of public and/or judicial policy despite concerns over human rights and possible side effects.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_castration
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
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    "Let's let the government handle it. What could possibly go wrong?" -Boobus Americanus SMFH.
    Quote Originally Posted by Torchbearer
    what works can never be discussed online. there is only one language the government understands, and until the people start speaking it by the magazine full... things will remain the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heavenlyboy34 View Post
    "Let's let the government handle it. What could possibly go wrong?" -Boobus Americanus SMFH.
    You ought to see the FB comments on this.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    You ought to see the FB comments on this.
    Is it akin to the Germans in the 1930s?

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    As with the death penalty...I am against this because many people are set up, falsely accused and sentence with circumstantial evidence. I do not trust the system enough.
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    all right guys, we REALLY need to keep this under wraps....
    consider.
    what if your ex finds out? what if the gf you are thinking of breaking it off with gets word...

    "hell hath NO fury like a Woman scorned"

    "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." - Albert Einstein

    "for I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. - Thomas Jefferson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HVACTech View Post
    all right guys, we REALLY need to keep this under wraps....
    consider.
    what if your ex finds out? what if the gf you are thinking of breaking it off with gets word...

    "hell hath NO fury like a Woman scorned"


    Do you ever post anything sensible? Or are you from an insane asylum?

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    Quote Originally Posted by green73 View Post
    Do you ever post anything sensible? Or are you from an insane asylum?
    No he doesn't. I suggest you use the ignore function. It makes dealing with his presence on RPFs very tolerable. ~hugs~
    Quote Originally Posted by Torchbearer
    what works can never be discussed online. there is only one language the government understands, and until the people start speaking it by the magazine full... things will remain the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by green73 View Post
    Do you ever post anything sensible? Or are you from an insane asylum?
    I will write it R E A L slow... there is a chemical "out there"

    that can chemically castrate you.... what does it taste like. can you smell it?

    WHAT IF IT FALLS INTO THE WRONG HANDS.

    but that could NEVER happen right?
    "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." - Albert Einstein

    "for I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. - Thomas Jefferson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HVACTech View Post
    I will write it R E A L slow... there is a chemical "out there"

    that can chemically castrate you.... what does it taste like. can you smell it?

    WHAT IF IT FALLS INTO THE WRONG HANDS.

    but that could NEVER happen right?
    How a lunatic like you got full rep here is the real question, and deserves investigation.
    Last edited by green73; 02-09-2015 at 08:59 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heavenlyboy34 View Post
    No he doesn't. I suggest you use the ignore function. It makes dealing with his presence on RPFs very tolerable. ~hugs~
    ever see a door in a high rise, that says "Authorized personnel only"

    that is for YOU.
    have another piece of cake.
    rabbit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by green73 View Post
    How a lunatic like you got full rep here is the real question, and deserves investigation.
    methinks that you are right. why don't YOU request one?

    I don't mind, it is not like it has not already been done.

    please report me for the aforementioned crime. or conspiracy, whatever suits your fancy.

    what you are suggesting, is that SOMEONE cheated on my behalf. whether or NOT you are bright enough to understand your accusation.

    have a nice day.
    Last edited by HVACTech; 02-09-2015 at 09:14 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HVACTech View Post
    methinks that you are right. why don't YOU request one?

    I don't mind, it is not like it has not already been done.
    I'm not surprised.

    The only question is why are you still here and why do you have full rep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    As with the death penalty...I am against this because many people are set up, falsely accused and sentence with circumstantial evidence. I do not trust the system enough.
    I don't trust the system, but as a moral principle this would be my second choice if we can't execute rapists.
    This post represents only the opinions of Christian Liberty and not the rest of the forum. Use discretion when reading

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    Quote Originally Posted by green73 View Post
    How a lunatic like you got full rep here is the real question, and deserves investigation.
    Maybe he spent to much time in the Religion forum. That place could get to anybody eventually.

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    The government shouldn't be providing incentive or disincentive to medicate.
    The government shouldn't be involved in medicine.

    If you want out early for a crime committed there should be community service options.

    'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988

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    Quote Originally Posted by green73 View Post
    I'm not surprised.

    The only question is why are you still here
    I love you too honey.

    and btw, thanks for the rep points that you gave me, before you discovered that I am a min-Archist and a Deist.
    Last edited by HVACTech; 02-09-2015 at 10:06 PM.
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    "for I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. - Thomas Jefferson.

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    No, sex offenders is too broad.

    DNA-confirmed rapists? Sure, but there would have to be guidelines. If some woman is held down outside her work late at night, that is pretty open and shut. Sex at a college party, less so.



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    "Offenders are in jail for a reason..." Allen said.
    Yeah, they sure are.

    And the state never makes a mistake and jails, castrates or executes an innocent man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VIDEODROME View Post
    Maybe he spent to much time in the Religion forum. That place could get to anybody eventually.
    maybe, lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by HVACTech View Post
    I love you too honey.

    and btw, thanks for the rep points that you gave me, before you discovered that I am a min-Archist and a Deist.
    I gave you rep? Weird. I know nothing about you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TaftFan View Post
    No, sex offenders is too broad.

    DNA-confirmed rapists? Sure, but there would have to be guidelines. If some woman is held down outside her work late at night, that is pretty open and shut. Sex at a college party, less so.
    Agreed.

    Chalk me up as one who is willing to entertain castration for beyond a doubt rapists and repeat child molesters.

    Anyway, this was killed in the Senate committee anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Okie RP fan View Post
    Agreed.

    Chalk me up as one who is willing to entertain castration for beyond a doubt rapists and repeat child molesters.

    Anyway, this was killed in the Senate committee anyway.
    Are you a Constitutionalist? Chemical castration, it seems to me, violates the prohibition against "cruel or unusual punishment" on that piece of parchment. (8th ammendment)
    Quote Originally Posted by Torchbearer
    what works can never be discussed online. there is only one language the government understands, and until the people start speaking it by the magazine full... things will remain the same.
    Hear/buy my music here "government is the enemy of liberty"-RP Support me on Patreon here Ephesians 6:12

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    Quote Originally Posted by heavenlyboy34 View Post
    Are you a Constitutionalist? Chemical castration, it seems to me, violates the prohibition against "cruel or unusual punishment" on that piece of parchment. (8th ammendment)
    seriously?

    is that what YOU consider the Rule of Law to be?

    and YOU are tolerated around here... why?
    "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." - Albert Einstein

    "for I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. - Thomas Jefferson.

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