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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    If he's speaking the truth, why is he alive?
    So your saying there is a conspiracy afoot by unknown people to kill anyone who speaks and exposes the truth?
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner



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  3. #62
    Last edited by TheCount; 02-09-2015 at 08:01 PM. Reason: Added additional links
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Pinochet is the model
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Liberty preserving authoritarianism.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Enforced internal open borders was one of the worst elements of the Constitution.

  4. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by dulci View Post
    One should be surprised that the government hasn't yet sent one of their agents to terminate Mr. Jones.


    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    That would only be surprising if the things he says are true.


    Two whopping posts from dulci and they both look throwaway. Is dulci your sock puppet account, Count?
    Last edited by NorthCarolinaLiberty; 02-09-2015 at 08:10 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    ...I believe that when the government is capable of doing a thing, it will.
    Quote Originally Posted by Influenza View Post
    which one of yall fuckers wrote the "ron paul" racist news letters
    Quote Originally Posted by Dforkus View Post
    Zippy's posts are a great contribution.




    Disrupt, Deny, Deflate. Read the RPF trolls' playbook here (post #3): http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...eptive-members

  5. #64
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner



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  7. #65
    Maybe they are soft-killing him (AKA making him live longer).

  8. #66
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    This is how voice commands work. If you don't want your voice recorded, don't use voice commands.
    And you honestly think "shutting off that feature" will stop the voice recordings?

    C'mon Eduardo...you can troll better than that.

  9. #67
    Quote Originally Posted by Lucille View Post
    Hey, do you guys remember when some people were afraid the NSA was listening to all of our phone calls, and the statist hacks and tools said those people were a bunch of paranoid lunatic nutjob conspiracy theorists? Good times!
    Yes, yes I do.

  10. #68
    Quote Originally Posted by CPUd View Post
    Maybe they are soft-killing him (AKA making him live longer).
    The sad thing is we are all being soft killed. Fluoride, mercury, vaccines, pharmaceutical drugs, cell phones, GMO's...

    Download a copy of Eco Science.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

  11. #69
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    And you honestly think "shutting off that feature" will stop the voice recordings?

    If there is a giant conspiracy to snoop on you 24/7, why would they tell you about it in the user's manual?
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Pinochet is the model
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Liberty preserving authoritarianism.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Enforced internal open borders was one of the worst elements of the Constitution.

  12. #70
    One way or the other, I think the Govt is truly starting to lose their Monopoly of Belief.

    Alex Jones inst perfect. He is human. Im not perfect either. So when people challenge the ideas I propose without emotionally attacking me as individual, I actually really appreciate it! The reason for this is that an effort is being made to critically think about the idea itself without shooting the messenger. And Alex Jones is a Messenger just as Ron Paul is a Messenger and Jesse Ventura is a Messenger.

    There is another side to this coin. In the movie V for Vendetta, owning a copy of the Kuran was "Illegal". The people that enforce the Monopoly of Violence when the Monopoly of Belief is challenged are those who do not critically think and blindly accept what they are told without challenging those ideas. Kuran = Evil, thus they kick in the guys door and killed him. What happens when the reason your front door is getting kicked in is because of yoru Orwellian TV Sets? Surveillance is only going to grow in scope and scale. Internet Lightbulbs. Internet Toasters. Internet Can Openers. Eventually, with Internet over Power Lines, you wont even have to supply the Internet itsef as the Power Lines become the means of Internet. After all, what would all of the Smart Meters be used for? Oh, Power over Internet. Total Surveillance. And when they finally achieve total surveillace over every aspect of your life and get you to buy the cameras in your house through which they conduct their surveillance, it ALL becomes subject to approval. AI is basically here, right now. Your thoughts and actions will be processed through a behavioural algorithm, and you will be held accountable for deviations of their Monopoly of Belief to be applied by either their Monopoly of Violence or Monopoly of Money, or both.

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    Last edited by DamianTV; 02-09-2015 at 09:22 PM.
    1776 > 1984

    The FAILURE of the United States Government to operate and maintain an
    Honest Money System , which frees the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators, is the single largest contributing factor to the World's current Economic Crisis.

    The Elimination of Privacy is the Architecture of Genocide

    Belief, Money, and Violence are the three ways all people are controlled

    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Our central bank is not privately owned.

  13. #71
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-0...-conversations



    While the privacy policy statement is disturbing in its own right, the extent of how creepy it is has to do with the fact that this information will be shared with a “third party.” This begs the question, who is this third party? Corynne McSherry, the intellectual property director at the Electronic Frontier Foundation, has some thoughts. From the Daily Beast:
    [...]
    After reading this, I have two concerns. First, there’s the point outlined by McSherry about the vulnerability to hackers. So even if we can be assured that Samsung and the third party isn’t up to anything nasty, is the entire process secure enough to protect ourselves from hackers, or an intelligence agency like the NSA? I have my doubts.

    Beyond this, there is an equally important concern regarding how this trend might progress into the future, and how it will future erode personal privacy if we don’t address it now.
    [...]
    Now back to the original Daily Beast article for some more thoughts on the matter…

    Samsung’s privacy policy notes that in addition to voice commands being transmitted, information about your device, “including device identifiers,” may also be beamed over the Internet to the third-party service, “or to the extent necessary to provide Voice Recognition features to you.”

    McSherry called that bit of qualifying language “worrisome.”

    “Samsung may just be giving itself some wiggle room as the service evolves, but that language could be interpreted pretty broadly,” she said.
    This is my key concern. Although it might be completely benign right now, that in no way, shape or form means it will remain that way. In fact, once everyone is hooked on SmartTVs and forgets about this whole hubbub, these companies could eagerly turn around and sell all of your private conversation details to advertisers or worse. By then, it might be too late for you to let go.
    KD wrote about it back in Nov.:

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...to-telescreens

    ...How did they know you were about to smoke that joint in your own living room? Simple -- your TV was recording your voice, and guess what -- the cops were listening. No warrant required.

    How dumb are you America?

    Very. You have invited unknown, faceless strangers -- and your government -- right into your living room -- and bedroom.

    The amount of data this thing collects is staggering. It logs where, when, how, and for how long you use the TV. It sets tracking cookies and beacons designed to detect “when you have viewed particular content or a particular email message.” It records “the apps you use, the websites you visit, and how you interact with content.” It ignores “do-not-track” requests as a considered matter of policy.

    It also has a built-in camera — with facial recognition. The purpose is to provide “gesture control” for the TV and enable you to log in to a personalized account using your face. On the upside, the images are saved on the TV instead of uploaded to a corporate server. On the downside, the Internet connection makes the whole TV vulnerable to hackers who have demonstrated the ability to take complete control of the machine.

    More troubling is the microphone. The TV boasts a “voice recognition” feature that allows viewers to control the screen with voice commands. But the service comes with a rather ominous warning: “Please be aware that if your spoken words include personal or other sensitive information, that information will be among the data captured and transmitted to a third party.” Got that? Don’t say personal or sensitive stuff in front of the TV.

    You may not be watching, but the telescreen is listening.
    Based on the idea of natural rights, government secures those rights to the individual by strictly negative intervention, making justice costless and easy of access; and beyond that it does not go. The State, on the other hand, both in its genesis and by its primary intention, is purely anti-social. It is not based on the idea of natural rights, but on the idea that the individual has no rights except those that the State may provisionally grant him. It has always made justice costly and difficult of access, and has invariably held itself above justice and common morality whenever it could advantage itself by so doing.
    --Albert J. Nock

  14. #72
    http://www.backwoodshome.com/blogs/C...sday-links-42/

    The day long feared has arrived. Samsung warns customers to be careful what they say in the vicinity of their “smart” TVs. And we’re just supposed to lie back and enjoy it now that the loss of privacy is “inevitable.”
    In many cases, it was going to be impossible to avoid surrendering private information, Prof Stewart said. "Many more ordinary services like locate-your-friends and car tracking to reduce insurance costs do involve some intrinsic loss of privacy," he said.

    While most people realised this and were happy to lose a little privacy in return for a material benefit, far fewer realised that the privacy loss was "progressive" and would lead to steadily greater intrusions, he said.
    And and the statist hacks, dupes and tools will still say

    Last edited by Lucille; 02-10-2015 at 02:14 PM.
    Based on the idea of natural rights, government secures those rights to the individual by strictly negative intervention, making justice costless and easy of access; and beyond that it does not go. The State, on the other hand, both in its genesis and by its primary intention, is purely anti-social. It is not based on the idea of natural rights, but on the idea that the individual has no rights except those that the State may provisionally grant him. It has always made justice costly and difficult of access, and has invariably held itself above justice and common morality whenever it could advantage itself by so doing.
    --Albert J. Nock



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  16. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by Lucille View Post
    http://www.backwoodshome.com/blogs/C...sday-links-42/





    And and the statist hacks, dupes and tools will still say
    All of the programs you're referencing are opt-in, private party, free market programs.

    If you choose to opt in to them, then you choose to allow that private company access to data. It's no different from using any maps / directions software or website. You are choosing to give that company your starting and ending locations. If you object to their use of that information, don't use their service.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Pinochet is the model
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Liberty preserving authoritarianism.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Enforced internal open borders was one of the worst elements of the Constitution.

  17. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    If there is a giant conspiracy to snoop on you 24/7, why would they tell you about it in the user's manual?
    Huh? I have three questions:

    What's a user's manual?
    Where do I find it?
    Most importantly, is it less than 200 words in length, with lots of pictures?
    It's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
    - Kim Kardashian

    Donald Trump / Crenshaw 2024!!!!

    My pronouns are he/him/his

  18. #75
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Why waste so many words when one will do?
    Based on the idea of natural rights, government secures those rights to the individual by strictly negative intervention, making justice costless and easy of access; and beyond that it does not go. The State, on the other hand, both in its genesis and by its primary intention, is purely anti-social. It is not based on the idea of natural rights, but on the idea that the individual has no rights except those that the State may provisionally grant him. It has always made justice costly and difficult of access, and has invariably held itself above justice and common morality whenever it could advantage itself by so doing.
    --Albert J. Nock

  19. #76
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    All of the programs you're referencing are opt-in, private party, free market programs.

    If you choose to opt in to them, then you choose to allow that private company access to data. It's no different from using any maps / directions software or website. You are choosing to give that company your starting and ending locations. If you object to their use of that information, don't use their service.
    You ever heard of Edward Snowden? Watch CitizenFour and see if you feel the same way about this stuff.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    This intellectually stimulating conversation is the reason I keep coming here.

  20. #77
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    All of the programs you're referencing are opt-in, private party, free market programs.

    If you choose to opt in to them, then you choose to allow that private company access to data. It's no different from using any maps / directions software or website. You are choosing to give that company your starting and ending locations. If you object to their use of that information, don't use their service.
    Yeah, like cell phones, computers, and mail... Those things NEVER get turned over to the government... It's only private parties, and free market $#@!...

    Listen, I understand that we have a lot of catching up to do with caveat emptor. We have been lulled into believing that the digital world is a one-way street - we can access it without it accessing us. Totally, not true. Anytime you open the window (like we all do) you are letting people in. And many of those people have nefarious purposes. And none can be more nefarious than our government.

    However, there is a coming industry that will allow people to look thru the window without exposing themselves. Most of it will come with throwing so much noise out there that any data gathered will be useless. In the meantime... If you use connected technology, understand that it is using you, too. To me, there's nothing so scary about it if you approach it in this manner.
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

  21. #78
    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    You ever heard of Edward Snowden? Watch CitizenFour and see if you feel the same way about this stuff.
    I will still feel like if a private company wants to offer a service, and people opt in to that service, then I have no issue with their offering of that service.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Pinochet is the model
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Liberty preserving authoritarianism.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Enforced internal open borders was one of the worst elements of the Constitution.

  22. #79
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Yeah, like cell phones, computers, and mail... Those things NEVER get turned over to the government... It's only private parties, and free market $#@!...
    That's not a problem with cell phone, computers, mail, or technology. That is a problem of government.


    Eliminating technology will not eliminate the problem of government.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Pinochet is the model
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Liberty preserving authoritarianism.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Enforced internal open borders was one of the worst elements of the Constitution.

  23. #80
    Quote Originally Posted by Lucille View Post
    Hey, do you guys remember when some people were afraid the NSA was listening to all of our phone calls, and the statist hacks and tools said those people were a bunch of paranoid lunatic nutjob conspiracy theorists? Good times!
    Yeah, I used to be fringe because I listen to people like Katherine Albrecht.
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    It's a balance between appeasing his supporters, appeasing the deep state and reaching his own goals.
    ~Resident Badgiraffe






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  25. #81
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    That's not a problem with cell phone, computers, mail, or technology. That is a problem of government.


    Eliminating technology will not eliminate the problem of government.
    Agree. Facebook / Fedbook never would have gotten off the ground without Govt investment. The private investors were ex gov leaders, and most had some very dirty ties.
    1776 > 1984

    The FAILURE of the United States Government to operate and maintain an
    Honest Money System , which frees the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators, is the single largest contributing factor to the World's current Economic Crisis.

    The Elimination of Privacy is the Architecture of Genocide

    Belief, Money, and Violence are the three ways all people are controlled

    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Our central bank is not privately owned.

  26. #82
    Quote Originally Posted by helmuth_hubener View Post
    So, how are we going to fight this?
    So........ any ideas?

  27. #83
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Yeah, like cell phones, computers, and mail... Those things NEVER get turned over to the government... It's only private parties, and free market $#@!...

    Listen, I understand that we have a lot of catching up to do with caveat emptor. We have been lulled into believing that the digital world is a one-way street - we can access it without it accessing us. Totally, not true. Anytime you open the window (like we all do) you are letting people in. And many of those people have nefarious purposes. And none can be more nefarious than our government.

    However, there is a coming industry that will allow people to look thru the window without exposing themselves. Most of it will come with throwing so much noise out there that any data gathered will be useless. In the meantime... If you use connected technology, understand that it is using you, too. To me, there's nothing so scary about it if you approach it in this manner.
    And I'm certain none of those 'third parties' are CIA/NSA front companies. They would never do that.

  28. #84
    Quote Originally Posted by helmuth_hubener View Post
    So........ any ideas?
    This is not something people are going to be successful at fighting against, not in the long term. That effort is better spent on education- in this case, a good start would be to study things like digital circuits and network protocols. If your TV is doing something you don't want it to do, you should have the knowledge and skills to void the warranty with confidence and make it stop.

  29. #85
    Update: Samsung smart TVs inserting ads into third-party apps
    http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/...rd-party-apps/

    People with smart TVs from Samsung have been complaining that the electronics maker is inserting Pepsi ads during the playback of their own, locally stored movies.
    1776 > 1984

    The FAILURE of the United States Government to operate and maintain an
    Honest Money System , which frees the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators, is the single largest contributing factor to the World's current Economic Crisis.

    The Elimination of Privacy is the Architecture of Genocide

    Belief, Money, and Violence are the three ways all people are controlled

    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Our central bank is not privately owned.

  30. #86
    Quote Originally Posted by helmuth_hubener View Post
    So, how are we going to fight this?
    Unplug the TV when not in use? Shrug.
    It's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
    - Kim Kardashian

    Donald Trump / Crenshaw 2024!!!!

    My pronouns are he/him/his

  31. #87
    Just get in the habit of saying very positive things about the great government we have, when you're in front of the TV. Then you should be fine.
    It's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
    - Kim Kardashian

    Donald Trump / Crenshaw 2024!!!!

    My pronouns are he/him/his

  32. #88
    Quote Originally Posted by bxm042 View Post
    Unplug the TV when not in use? Shrug.
    AF already addressed this. Power over Internet. Although it may not be built in yet, it soon will be. Also, wireless. Only thing I can think of is an independent power supply not connected to "the grid" and put everything inside its own Faraday Cage.
    1776 > 1984

    The FAILURE of the United States Government to operate and maintain an
    Honest Money System , which frees the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators, is the single largest contributing factor to the World's current Economic Crisis.

    The Elimination of Privacy is the Architecture of Genocide

    Belief, Money, and Violence are the three ways all people are controlled

    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Our central bank is not privately owned.



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  34. #89
    Quote Originally Posted by DamianTV View Post
    AF already addressed this. Power over Internet. Although it may not be built in yet, it soon will be. Also, wireless. Only thing I can think of is an independent power supply not connected to "the grid" and put everything inside its own Faraday Cage.
    Nah, I alluded to the solution earlier... Firewalls. Flood the collectors of data with so much useless information that it can't discern what is valid and what is not. A digital smoke screen.
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

  35. #90
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    If there is a giant conspiracy to snoop on you 24/7, why would they tell you about it in the user's manual?
    Oh shut up.

    It's not some "giant conspiracy oOOOoooohhh".

    It's fact, the surveillance grid is expanding every day and the "internet of things" will greatly increase this expansion.

    The only reason it was put in the manual is to try and protect against lawsuits, when somebody ultimately gets harmed by this device recording what was thought to be private conversations.

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