Is it of your opinion that DeMint, Labrador, Carson and Jindal are all candidates that believe in the founders version of the constitution and not the modern day perverted Constitition?Originally Posted by TaftFan
She is the SC Governor, right?
If it isn't one of these guys they will gun down a president-elect Paul well before he gets to his inauguration.Ron Paul, Massie, Nap or Amash!
How can you consider him after his terrible record in Congress? He voted for making the Patriot Act Permanent, he has a 45% score on the freedom index. I don't know what you mean by his "anti-Common Core fight" since he backed Common Core and Louisiana adopted it under his watch. Jindal is a fraud.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carly_Fiorina
Allen West!
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Haha...that was funny.
Not mine.
No, I'm from Connecticut.
We have had this dialog quite a few times in previous threads but we haven't had one in a while and I suppose we were due for another. The political situation is always evolving
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So very true.
If he nominates someone anti-freedom for VP I can't support him. This is like 90% of the people mentioned in this thread.
Walter Jones would be my pick. He's got too many emotional anti-war stories that he could really help Rand sell an anti-war message.
The enemy of my enemy may be worse than my enemy.
I do not suffer from Trump Rearrangement Syndrome. Sorry if that triggers you.
Ben Carson without a doubt. The guy is well-spoken, gets some of the black vote, helps with the Key demographic that Rand wants, helps with Rand's controversial former position on Civil Rights Act, and seems to be a decent guy, not to mention a doctor like Paul (they could really market that).
I think he is the Goldilocks candidate for a potential Rand VP slot.
VP is all about electability (so long as the two have some ideological similarity).
Guys like Jesse Ventura (will be dismissed as wacky conspiracy theorist) and Andrew Napolitano (association with Fox News hurts Rand's overall electability) are terrible selections.
And Palin? to that, I say WTF.
Other good ones: (Carson is a clear number 1 though)
Thomas Massie
Justin Amash
Nikki Haley (good looking woman)
Susana Martinez (hispanic and woman)
Jon Huntsman Jr. (moderate)
A Paul/Carson ticket is very dangerous though and one that will force MSNBC to not always place the stupid race card on Rand.
I agree Ben Carson is a great choice for VP.
The prospect of Carson being President scares too many people for him to be a realistic choice. He's a fundamentalist Christian who doesn't believe in evolution, and often talks like a nutcase. He has credibility on one issue. He's like the black Sarah Palin who has never held elected office.
The enemy of my enemy may be worse than my enemy.
I do not suffer from Trump Rearrangement Syndrome. Sorry if that triggers you.
Is this a likely issue: Rand being unable to finish his term and the VP becoming P?
Also, I don't agree with Carson on all issues, but why is 'not holding a previous elected office' a negative?
How much influence does the VP have?! You're not going to support Rand unless he picks a candidate that is ideal in your eyes? There is no middle ground for you??? I don't believe Biden does much while Obama is flying around the globe and signing his executive orders, so why is Rand's VP going to significantly influence Rand's ideals so much that you wouldn't want him as president?
Just reading these comments. I think people would be very disappointed in who he would choose. He would choose someone who makes up for his shortcomings and someone that adds to the ticket electorally.
I would guess Kasich b/c of Ohio and he seems like someone who would be okay with Rand on budgets and foreign policy. He also has the ability to raise money, because he was the budget chairman in Congress. And if Jeb Bush weren't damaged after losing the election. Maybe him, too. Maybe Walker. Ryan, Palin, Cheney, Quayle, and Bush Sr all were from somewhat different wings of the party than the person a the top of the ticket.
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Sarah Palin was "one heart attack way from being President". That scared people. Carson would be easy to paint as unqualified and it's pretty obvious why.
It's not what the VP does so much as it would show he didn't sell his soul. Let's take an extreme example like Chris Christie. If he did choose Christie, would you then expect him to fill his cabinet with neocons? I would.
The enemy of my enemy may be worse than my enemy.
I do not suffer from Trump Rearrangement Syndrome. Sorry if that triggers you.
Again with all this?
General election voters are low information voters.
So...
Needs to be a minority woman to counter Hillary.
So being realistic you have Susana Martinez or Niki Haley. Both governors and both an easy sell to the base and the "first" sell to the low information crowd.
FWIW I don't think Rand is going to win the primary in 2016. Maybe in 2020 or 2024. I discourage nothing though and will be voting for him if he is on the ballot.
Last edited by 69360; 02-09-2015 at 04:55 PM.
Who I would personally want and who Rand should pick would be two different things. Judge Nap would be my personal pick, but that ticket would be seen as too libertarian. At this point, I think Ben Carson should be at the top of the list. He could charge up the conservative base and possibly bring in some votes that would otherwise never consider a Republican vote for President. I think someone else who should be at the top of the list is Nikki Haley.
Regardless, Rand will have my support in the primary and for the Presidency. Anything that gets the pendulum swinging towards the liberty direction is fine by me. That said, Rand is the only person running for President (although, I guess he hasn't officially announced) that will have my support. When the GOP likely nominates a neo-con establishment candidate, it will be the Libertarian Party candidate for me or perhaps staying home.
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Last edited by rg17; 02-11-2015 at 12:17 PM.
Having only two options - id rather palin over McCain anyway. But McCain's heart related partly due to his age and mostly due to left wing/media fear tactics.
As to your Christie example - just reading that put me in a quick state of panic, I sure hope rand wouldn't pick someone so horrible for the job!
thanks for your reply.
I remember a poll during the 2003 recall election where voters thought McClintock was more qualified to be governor than Schwarzenegger and the Dem candidate...but when asked who they would vote for they still picked Arnold. :/
McClintock would be a great "safe" pick ideologically and electorally--he's pretty much the same as Rand, has experience, but doesn't have the "libertarian" label... but we're getting way ahead of ourselves.
How about Steve Forbes....
Patrick Buchanan? lol
Benton/Collins 2016
They both ran as Republicans in 1996.
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Well, he's not. He's as neocon as anyone. Rand isn't going to pick someone like that. He wants to attract new people to the party. He wants to win over young people, independents, Democrats, blacks, Hispanics, etc. Picking some establishment candidate like that would greatly hurt his attempt to reach out to new groups of people. They would also be about 180 degrees opposite on issues like foreign policy, and it would make no sense for example to have the VP candidate advocate a completely hawkish foreign policy during the Vice Presidential debate, and then have the Presidential candidate advocate a mostly non interventionist foreign policy during the Presidential debate.
If we want somebody who's on the same ideological page as Rand and who's also a credible mainstream figure, how about Jim DeMint?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_DeM...ical_positions
Jim DeMint is a member of the Republican Party[35] and is aligned with the Tea Party movement.[36] In 2011, DeMint was identified by Salon as one of the most conservative members of the Senate.[35][36][37] He founded the Senate Conservatives Fund, a political action committee (PAC), which supports conservative, small government, Tea Party–allied Republican politicians in primary challenges and general elections.[38][39] In 2013, the PAC endorsed a strategy to defund the Affordable Care Act that culminated in the 2013 shutdown of the federal government.[40]
US economy and budget
Throughout his political career, DeMint has favored a type of tax reform that would replace the federal income tax with a national sales tax and, in addition, abolish the Internal Revenue Service.[41] He has supported many changes to federal spending, such as prioritizing a balanced budget amendment instead of increasing the national debt limit.[42] As a senator, DeMint proposed a two-year earmark ban to prevent members of Congress from spending federal money on projects in their home states.[39] In 2008, presidential candidates John McCain, Hillary Clinton, and Barack Obama co-sponsored DeMint's earmark reform proposal, although it ultimately failed to pass in the Senate.[43] In March 2010, DeMint's earmark reform plans were again defeated.[44] In November of the same year, DeMint, along with nine other senators including Rand Paul and Marco Rubio, proposed another moratorium on earmarks which was adopted by Senate Republicans.[45][46]
DeMint has also been a proponent of free trade agreements, advocated for the privatization of Social Security benefits, and in 2009 authored the "Health Care Freedom Plan", which proposed giving tax credits to those who are unable afford health insurance.[41][47][48]
DeMint was opposed to the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 and the bailouts during the automotive industry crisis of 2008–2010. He also led a group of Senators in opposing government loans to corporations.[49][50] He supports a high level of government accountability through the auditing federal agencies.[49]
Clashes with Obama administration
In October 2009, after the Honduran Army, on orders from the Honduran Supreme Court, removed Manuel Zelaya as President, DeMint visited the country to gather information.[51] The trip was approved by Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell but opposed by Foreign Relations Committee Chairman John Kerry. DeMint supported the new government, while the Obama administration favored Zelaya's return to the presidency.[51]
In late 2009, DeMint criticized Barack Obama for waiting eight months into his first term as president before nominating a new head of the Transportation Security Administration.[52] After the attempted bombing of Northwest Flight 253 in December 2009, DeMint stated that President Obama had not put enough focus on terrorism while in office.[52]
Foreign policy
In 1999, DeMint voted against the NATO intervention during the Kosovo war.[49] DeMint voted to authorize military force in Iraq in 2002.[49] In 2011, DeMint voted in favor of Rand Paul's resolution opposing military involvement in Libya.[36][49] He favored preventing Iran from developing nuclear weapons over a policy of containment after their development.[53]
DeMint has also expressed concern about various United Nations treaties, such as the Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities and the Law of the Sea Treaty.[54][55] DeMint favors legal immigration and opposes granting amnesty to illegal immigrants.[56] He has expressed opposition to the Border Security, Economic Opportunity, and Immigration Modernization Act of 2013 on the basis that granting amnesty to illegal immigrants may cost American taxpayers trillions of dollars.[57][58][59]
Social issues
DeMint identifies as pro-life, opposing abortion except when the mother's life is in danger[60][61] and opposing research from stem cells derived from human embryos.[62][63] He supports school prayer and introduced legislation to allow schools to display banners including references to God.[60]
DeMint voted against the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare, in December 2009,[64] and he voted against the Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010.[65]
He voted in favor of declaring English the official language of the US government.[56]
^Jim DeMint would be an excellent choice for ensuring the base does NOT stay home, and allowing Rand all the leeway he needs to go after independents.
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