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    Bill Maher: Socialism Created America's Successful Middle Class

    "The large, thriving middle class that America used to have didn't just appear out of the blue. It was created using an economic tool called socialism," said Maher on his show.

    He went on to say that heavy taxation and redistribution of wealth after WWII led to America's middle-class success. This, of course, is absurd.

    Here are the facts. government revenue as a percent of GDP and in real terms declined dramatically after WWII and it is much higher now than immediately after WWII.






    Further, it is only in recent years that government redistribution programs have gone off the charts, especially in the areas of education and healthcare,




    Here' s Maher talking complete nonsense.

    http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com...m-created.html



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    Bill Maher is a libertarian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sola_Fide View Post
    Bill Maher is a libertarian.
    He's also called himself a progressive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sola_Fide View Post
    Bill Maher is a libertarian.
    He has claimed libertarian leanings, but still normally uses the "liberal" label. At any rate, LOL at Maher's ignorance, historical and economic.
    Quote Originally Posted by Torchbearer
    what works can never be discussed online. there is only one language the government understands, and until the people start speaking it by the magazine full... things will remain the same.
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    Is he referring to this?:



    Or maybe the GI Bill?
    All modern revolutions have ended in a reinforcement of the power of the State.
    -Albert Camus

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    That is bull$#@! , in the past 100 yrs the nation has become more socialist ea day .So , if true , this middle class would be most of the nation .

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    Why does anybody bother to waste a single electron on distributing that fool's inane blatherings?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Why does anybody bother to waste a single electron on distributing that fool's inane blatherings?
    Because has a big platform and is taken seriously, despite what nonsense he spouts. And some do think he's a libertarain.



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    Highest marginal tax rates don't mean much since not many taxpayers actually had to pay them.

    Not necessarily any cause or effect either way but the rise and fall of the middle class has followed rates of unionization.


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3948543.html


    http://billmoyers.com/2012/07/03/ine...mbers-decline/
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 01-31-2015 at 07:54 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sola_Fide View Post
    Bill Maher is a libertarian.
    Lol. Is it joke night?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TommyJeff View Post
    Lol. Is it joke night?
    He's claimed to be a libertarian in the past and I don't think he was kidding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sola_Fide View Post
    Bill Maher is a libertarian.
    Bill Maher thought he was a libertarian because he wants to legalize drugs and prostitution.. He went on a rant a couple years ago about how bad libertarians are now, how they're selfish and that they worship Ayn Rand (even though I'd argue she has less influence on the movement now than at any other point since Atlas Shrugged was released, relatively speaking anyway). He clearly never actually understood anything about the philosophy, and doesn't to this day.

    Bill Maher is an $#@!, and if I was a progressive I'd still hate him. In fact, I might even hate him more since he'd be professing the kind of ideas I support. I've always said there's two kinds of progressives: the kind that genuinely (though wrongly) think their policies will help people, and then the kind who think they're so smart that they can run the lives of millions of people. Maher is the latter, and those people are among the most vile, insipid group of dicks in politics.
    NeoReactionary. American High Tory.

    The counter-revolution will not be televised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TommyJeff View Post
    Lol. Is it joke night?
    Hey if Eric Bolling from Fox can be an anarcho-capitalist, why can't Bill be a libertarian?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sola_Fide View Post
    Hey if Eric Bolling from Fox can be an anarcho-capitalist, why can't Bill be a libertarian?
    Who said that?
    NeoReactionary. American High Tory.

    The counter-revolution will not be televised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Why does anybody bother to waste a single electron on distributing that fool's inane blatherings?
    These comments need to be addressed because they will be repeated by the MSM everywhere. Propoganda is VIRAL. In order to stop the viral spread of this nonsense, people have to stop believing what ever propoganda is trying to be spread as being completely false. Once the message is out there, it isnt just the MSM that repeats it, it is the VIEWERS that repeat it also. Thus, it isnt just Bill Maher or Bill O'Really or George Stepenopolous, it is the IDEA that needs to be prevented from going VIRAL by calling it out as BS.
    1776 > 1984

    The FAILURE of the United States Government to operate and maintain an
    Honest Money System , which frees the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators, is the single largest contributing factor to the World's current Economic Crisis.

    The Elimination of Privacy is the Architecture of Genocide

    Belief, Money, and Violence are the three ways all people are controlled

    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Our central bank is not privately owned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Highest marginal tax rates don't mean much since not many taxpayers actually had to pay them.

    Not necessarily any cause or effect either way but the rise and fall of the middle class has followed rates of unionization.


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3948543.html


    http://billmoyers.com/2012/07/03/ine...mbers-decline/
    that makes perfect sense in a system based on corporatism.

    in case you have not noticed, more than a few of us who have a basic problem with that.
    "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." - Albert Einstein

    "for I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. - Thomas Jefferson.



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    BTW, I used to think Maher was just stupid before I heard his opinions on the Vietnam War. Then I realized he was a complete piece of $#@!. I'll try to find the video, it's really some of the most awful, vile stuff I've ever heard a pundit say.
    NeoReactionary. American High Tory.

    The counter-revolution will not be televised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePaleoLibertarian View Post
    Who said that?
    Eric Bolling called himself an anarcho-capitalist.

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    I almost missed this gem.

    Highest marginal tax rates don't mean much since not many taxpayers actually had to pay them.
    "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." - Albert Einstein

    "for I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. - Thomas Jefferson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePaleoLibertarian View Post
    Who said that?
    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...t=Eric+Bolling

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    There is actually a lot of truth in what Maher says. The Middle Class didn't exist much before the 20th century.

    http://content.time.com/time/nation/...882147,00.html

    Our modern image of the middle class comes from the post–World War II era. The 1944 GI Bill provided returning veterans with money for college, businesses and home mortgages. Suddenly, millions of servicemen were able to afford homes of their own for the first time. As a result, residential construction jumped from 114,000 new homes in 1944 to 1.7 million in 1950. In 1947, William Levitt turned 4,000 acres of Long Island, New York, potato farms into the then largest privately planned housing project in American history. With 30 houses built in assembly-line fashion every day — each with a tree in the front yard — the American subdivision was born.

    Then came the cars. And the backyard barbecues. And the black-and-white TVs. Ozzy and Harriet, Lucy and Ricky, Leave it to Beaver. In September 1958, Bank of America tested its first 60,000 credit cards (later named Visa) in Fresno, Calif. Within a decade, Americans had signed up for more than 100 million credit cards. Today, the number tops 1 billion. African Americans were able to pull themselves into the middle-class bracket through the social gains of the civil rights movement, though a disproportionate number still live below the poverty line.


    Today, most middle-class Americans are homeowners. They have mortgages, at least some college education and a professional or managerial job that earns them somewhere between $30,000 and $100,000 a year. Although the suburban stereotype still holds, the middle class is just as likely to be found in urban centers (rural, not so much), and 70% of them have cable and two or more cars. Two-thirds have high-speed Internet, and 40% own a flat-screen TV. They have several credit cards each and a lot of luxury goods, but they still believe that others have more than they do. In 1970, TIME described middle America as people who "sing the national anthem at football games — and mean it."

    That might be because the middle class is slightly more conservative than liberal (over half oppose gay marriage). Yet they are split fairly evenly between political parties and can often swing an election because — duh — there are so many of them. They went for Bush in 2004 and Obama in 2008. When Ronald Reagan asked Americans in 1980, "Are you better off than you were four years ago?" he was speaking to the middle class. A 1979 public-opinion survey found a rising number of middle-class Americans felt that their lives were getting worse, and it was with those people that his words resonated. In 1997, in the middle of the dot-com bubble but before Monica Lewinsky, middle-class optimism hit a record high — 57% felt they were moving upward — but it has been sliding back down ever since. A 2008 survey found that roughly half of Americans think they've made no progress and 31% consider themselves worse off than they were five years ago. (See pictures of crime in Middle America.)

    Vice President Biden attempted to define middle-class Americans as people who would find it difficult to miss more than two paychecks, and he wasn't far off; with wage increases failing to keep pace with inflation, about 21% of middle-class Americans have spent themselves to the limit. Personal bankruptcies rose by a third last year and mortgage defaults — well, they're moving beyond subprime borrowers and hitting those with previously high credit scores. On Feb. 27, Biden and eight members of his task force, including Education Secretary Arne Duncan and Energy Secretary Steven Chu, will meet at the University of Pennsylvania to discuss the rescue of the middle class. Their first task? Creating green jobs. The committee believes that building environmentally friendly homes will help decrease middle-class homeowners' electricity and heating bills. That is, of course, if they have a home they can still afford.
    Also following WWII, the US was about the only country with any significant manufacturing base to produce things needed to replace what was destroyed during the war. That meant lots of goods and workers needed. Besides the GI bill, high demand for labor increased wages.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 01-31-2015 at 08:25 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    There is actually a lot of truth in what Maher says. The Middle Class didn't exist much before the 20th century.

    http://content.time.com/time/nation/...882147,00.html
    Right. Did socialism bring this, or industrialization and the market?

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    The mainstreaming of libertarian ideas sure is a mixed bag. I don't even know who this guy is really, but I do know that Fox wouldn't let an actual ancap on the air for even five minutes. I'd like to think the network is coming around, but I'd need a frontal lobotamy to be that optimistic. Andrew Napolitano (not even an ancap) was relegated to Fox Business up until it became clear he might hurt the Romney blowjob-fest that was Fox last election.
    NeoReactionary. American High Tory.

    The counter-revolution will not be televised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    There is actually a lot of truth in what Maher says. The Middle Class didn't exist much before the 20th century.

    http://content.time.com/time/nation/...882147,00.html



    Also following WWII, the US was about the only country with any significant manufacturing base to produce things needed to replace what was destroyed during the war. That meant lots of goods and workers needed. Besides the GI bill, high demand for labor increased wages.
    To Zippy, Human Death means Profit, and it is the only way to make money. Broken Window Fallacy.
    1776 > 1984

    The FAILURE of the United States Government to operate and maintain an
    Honest Money System , which frees the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators, is the single largest contributing factor to the World's current Economic Crisis.

    The Elimination of Privacy is the Architecture of Genocide

    Belief, Money, and Violence are the three ways all people are controlled

    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Our central bank is not privately owned.



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    Maybe what really stimulated the economy was ENDING World War 2!!!!

    What if we are currently in the financial equivalent of World War 3 as far as the huge burden on the American economy. Actually, the current drain on our economy from perpetual war could very well be even worse that WW2. Yes the Post World War economy was a boom. Let's have another POST - WAR economy.

    Bring the troops home. Retool the War Machine factories toward production rather than destruction. Stop destroying infrastructure abroad just to rebuild it before we blow it up again a few years later. Bring the money home to rebuild at home.

    I can only hope we all see this come to pass. The end of a total cluster$#@! foreign policy of aggression and intervention, bring our troops back, and stop funneling tax money overseas in the form of bombs and bribes. Imagine if we could all get to experience the post war prosperity like the 1950s.

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    To Zippy, Human Death means Profit, and it is the only way to make money. Broken Window Fallacy.
    +rep
    "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." - Albert Einstein

    "for I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. - Thomas Jefferson.

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    The wealth increases in the US in the mid-20th century was the continuation of an overall trend that started in the 19th century, but was halted by the Great Depression. If you're going to claim that the wealth created then was because of socialism (which is pretty impossible without falling in to post-hoc ergo procter-hoc), capitalism still has it beat; the explosion of wealth in the largely free market 19th century is to this day unprecedented. Yeah, I know what the leftist critiques of the so-called "Gilded Age" are, but every single one of those is either ignoring historical context, ignoring the contemporary alternatives or flat-out lies about what happened to wages and hours worked.
    NeoReactionary. American High Tory.

    The counter-revolution will not be televised.

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    correction.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    There is actually a lot of truth in what Maher says. The Middle Class didn't exist much before the 20th century.
    before the 20th century. ONLY the middle and upper classes existed.

    the rest were slaves.
    "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." - Albert Einstein

    "for I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. - Thomas Jefferson.

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    Wanna know what I think created Americas Successful Middle Class? Financial Non Intervention. A truly Free Market.

    In an enviornment where people keep the fruits of their labors without those who produce nothing demanding to be paid for permission to produce, the producers build the foundation and the economy grows naturally. As soon as those who do not produce gain power over those that do produce by exercising Govt's Monopoly on Violence and Money, the producers stop producing. Growth is limited to smaller and smaller groups. Competition is prohibited except for those in those small groups. And the Non Producers will continue to claim that we need them to tell the producers if they are even allowed to produce at all.

    Socialism Murders Capitalism and the truly Free Market, and thereby, the Middle Class as well.
    1776 > 1984

    The FAILURE of the United States Government to operate and maintain an
    Honest Money System , which frees the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators, is the single largest contributing factor to the World's current Economic Crisis.

    The Elimination of Privacy is the Architecture of Genocide

    Belief, Money, and Violence are the three ways all people are controlled

    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Our central bank is not privately owned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DamianTV View Post
    To Zippy, Human Death means Profit, and it is the only way to make money. Broken Window Fallacy.
    It is fallacious, but that seems to be Zip's point. (correct me if I'm wrong, zip) War is (generally) a type of stimulus for profiteers, and sort of "trickles down" to us plebians and mundanes. It's not really controversial to credit warfarism for the post-war boom. War is one of the oldest stimulus programs in history. WWII, though not the only factor, was the biggest cause of the rise of the bourgeois middle class, IMO. Hell, there wouldn't even be an interstate highway system if Eisenhower hadn't needed a way to move troops and materiel efficiently.
    Quote Originally Posted by Torchbearer
    what works can never be discussed online. there is only one language the government understands, and until the people start speaking it by the magazine full... things will remain the same.
    Hear/buy my music here "government is the enemy of liberty"-RP Support me on Patreon here Ephesians 6:12

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