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    Quote Originally Posted by NOVALibertarian View Post
    Same, but the political ideology that many of them share should be reason enough to at least implement an extremely strict immigration policy towards all. Allowing a constant stream of immigrants from Mexico and Latin America to enter the United States, who will more than likely vote Democrat, is just asking for our country to fall into the abyss. Yes, both parties are awful, but the Democrats are by far the worst, and they'll only get worse as the SJWs enter their political ranks. The Democrats will only get worse with time, whilst the GOP might only get better with time if the pieces fall into place.

    It's pretty ironic how the open borders crowd constantly claim for liberty and the like, but have no problem with allowing anti-liberty voters to constantly stream through the southern border. Pragmatism instead of dogmatism is your friend here.

    Now would be an ideal time for a real nationalist movement to rise up and crush all of those who believe in ideas like the North American Union.
    That would be great, but the cultural Marxist left is infecting libertarianism. Look at the bleeding-heart "libertarians", who are being touted by my fellow millennials as "libertarianism finally growing up" and other assorted nonsense. Yeah, the problem with the movement this whole time is that it wasn't infected with feminism, egalitarianism and multiculturalism So glad these ex-socialists have joined the movement to show us the error of our ways. There was a time when most libertarians would be at home at a meeting of the John Birch Society. I'm happy to put aside differences with people who disagree and work toward like minded goals, but pandering to progressives will hurt the movement in the long run. I don't know why these left-libertarians don't see that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    I don't mind hispanics. I just wish they weren't progressive zombies. But all the polls say otherwise.
    I don't feel any acrimony toward any group of people, but I also don't blindly claim that all groups are the same regardless of what the truth is. Choosing an ideological stance over reality is what Marxists do.
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    Biggest problem we have is when people adopt Labels.

    There are really only two ways to think of this. Either for Bigger Government, or for Smaller Government. Both sides of our biggest political parties, Republicans and Democrats are for Bigger Governments. And it is one of the underlying issues as to why anyone we vote into office doesnt fix anything. A few are for smaller government, but they are shunned even by their own party. The majority of both parties are for ever increasingly bigger and bigger Govt, never ever smaller. Conclusion: Labels are a distraction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePaleoLibertarian View Post
    I don't know why these left-libertarians don't see that.
    Because they're dogmatic. They'll stick to the libertarian tenant of open borders even if it is completely counter-productive to what they claim to desire. This wouldn't be a problem if those coming over the southern border were mainly Conservatives and could perhaps benefit our movement. But they're just the opposite politically, which is why Progressives are the ones who continuously call for amnesty and the like. Open borders will lead to Progressives permanently seizing power. That's not xenophobia; that's reality.

    I've always said that the key to ultimate success for this movement is to build a coalition amongst white and black Americans. There is immense potential in a populist appeal towards many that live in cities like Detroit, and it's African-Americans that will be impacted the most as immigration continues. Hammer home the point that Progressives and Democrats have ignored their needs and cries for so long, opting to house and provide for illegals while African-American children starve and live in poverty as the city that they live in crumbles to the ground around them. The Progressives can have all of the Hispanic vote that they want, but they cannot win if they lose even a quarter of the African-American vote and they've alienated themselves from the White vote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DamianTV View Post
    Biggest problem we have is when people adopt Labels.

    There are really only two ways to think of this. Either for Bigger Government, or for Smaller Government. Both sides of our biggest political parties, Republicans and Democrats are for Bigger Governments. And it is one of the underlying issues as to why anyone we vote into office doesnt fix anything. A few are for smaller government, but they are shunned even by their own party. The majority of both parties are for ever increasingly bigger and bigger Govt, never ever smaller. Conclusion: Labels are a distraction.
    I generally don't vote since all roads lead to ruin with both parties, but the democrat party is definitely the expressway to hell. They really don't hide what they desire. The republican party is more like a series of service roads that get you to that undesirable destination at a slower pace.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePaleoLibertarian View Post
    I don't feel any acrimony toward any group of people, but I also don't blindly claim that all groups are the same regardless of what the truth is. Choosing an ideological stance over reality is what Marxists do.
    Everyone throws around the "Marxist" label like some do Hitler. Granted they were both horrible and common governmental systems..

    But Socialism is the present reality,,In Mexico, in Canada, and in the US. Most of the world is Socialist of some flavor or another.

    I wish people would stop pretending that this country was not. It has been a Socialist country since the early 1900s.

    If we educated people about that rather than some (fantasy) boogieman.. perhaps there would be enough to counter the socialist influences.

    Perhaps,,,

    Make the argument Liberty v Authority.. Then show them every Authoritarian government in history.

    See how many really want that.. Perhaps if necessary,, by showing them who is the real authority.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePaleoLibertarian View Post
    I don't feel any acrimony toward any group of people, but I also don't blindly claim that all groups are the same regardless of what the truth is. Choosing an ideological stance over reality is what Marxists do.
    I think it's more of an understanding of where they are coming from. Environment and culture play a huge role in the forming of a mentality.



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    I sometimes say that Democrats are liberal progressives that want to ban the Bible, while Republicans are liberal progressives that want to enforce it at gunpoint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePaleoLibertarian View Post
    Hispanics alone make up 17%, and they're going to be a lot more in twenty years if policy doesn't change. They know they're going to be a very important voter demographic, and eventually, a majority, and they make no bones about it. Go to a La Raza rally if you want to see America's future. It's very chilling.
    63% of the population is white, 13% AA. I'm not terribly worried about what someone in that 17% declares (much less the 2% jewish) is the future. Strikes me as more divide and conquer and giving outsized voice to politically chosen mouthpieces that have no business deciding anything for anyone.

    Anybody that hasn't seen this video really should. It applies on so many levels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePaleoLibertarian View Post
    That would be great, but the cultural Marxist left is infecting libertarianism. Look at the bleeding-heart "libertarians", who are being touted by my fellow millennials as "libertarianism finally growing up" and other assorted nonsense. Yeah, the problem with the movement this whole time is that it wasn't infected with feminism, egalitarianism and multiculturalism So glad these ex-socialists have joined the movement to show us the error of our ways. There was a time when most libertarians would be at home at a meeting of the John Birch Society. I'm happy to put aside differences with people who disagree and work toward like minded goals, but pandering to progressives will hurt the movement in the long run. I don't know why these left-libertarians don't see that.
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  14. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by ThePaleoLibertarian View Post
    Hispanics alone make up 17%, and they're going to be a lot more in twenty years if policy doesn't change. They know they're going to be a very important voter demographic, and eventually, a majority, and they make no bones about it. Go to a La Raza rally if you want to see America's future. It's very chilling.
    When USA and Mexico is predominantly hispanic, then it is much easier to become one "union". or whatever. =|

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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    I don't mind hispanics. I just wish they weren't progressive zombies. But all the polls say otherwise.
    Welfare State + Open Borders = Recipe for Disaster

    Lets be perfectly clear. There is NO INTENT of them saving what is left of the USA. NONE. They keep the name the same as the "name change" is when stupid people start to wake up. For example "Patriot Act". Ignorant people truly think that has something to do with Patriotism and has no subversive intentions of undermining our Rights. Back to the USA. Change the Name to something else. Greater America. Mot people will go "meh". Change it into Tyrannyland and then and only then will people start $#@!ting thier pants. The intent of NAFTA or NAU or however it is spelled out will keep the geographical country names the same so the majority of people stay asleep, but the intent is to destroy every defense against any form of tyranny what so ever in one foul swoop. Destruction is the intent. Consistency is the Illusion. This country is already dead. Its spirit is dead. What it stands for is dead. Its practices only keep its spirit from rising from the grave. Tearing down the borders of all three countries will successfully destroy all three countries. Many in Mexico are going to be all for this as they have the most to gain, and they dont listen to US voters at all anyway.

    As the G-Man in the Half Life series put it "wake up and smell the ashes". Problem is that even then I dont think those that are still asleep will wake up. Waking these people out of their perpetual state of denial is gonna take a monster Paradigm Shift, and the next economic collapse / wabble / fluxuation / whatever the $#@! we wanna call it will probably be the very last one.
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    ive been laughed at over this topic as far back as 2007 when i first learned about it. well, i doubt the $#@!ers that laughed will even know or care now anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Everyone throws around the "Marxist" label like some do Hitler. Granted they were both horrible and common governmental systems..
    I'm talking about actual, literal Marxists in the post you quotes. The history of Marxism is a long, long history reality clashing with the theory, and the adherents scrambling to explain it away.

    Marxism was empirically disproven in the early 20th century when NONE of Marx's predictions of what capitalism would become panned out. Marxists then revised the theory, which is why you'll hear them say things like "Marx was wrong, but only Marxists can understand why!" These revisions lay down the foundation for Leninism, Stalinism and even fascism.

    But Socialism is the present reality,,In Mexico, in Canada, and in the US. Most of the world is Socialist of some flavor or another.

    I wish people would stop pretending that this country was not. It has been a Socialist country since the early 1900s.

    If we educated people about that rather than some (fantasy) boogieman.. perhaps there would be enough to counter the socialist influences.
    Mexico maybe, but Canada and the US (along with the rest of the West) are mixed economies. There are socialist programs, but if it was socialist, there would (among other things) be much more outright nationalization, every industry would be unionized and the economy would be way worse off. Calling the modern system "socialist" allows leftists to just dismiss the criticisms, because they think we don't know what we're talking about.
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    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

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    Quote Originally Posted by GunnyFreedom View Post
    Honestly, has any regular poster around here ever denied the NAU? I thought that one was completely a given around here.
    I was in an argument with an "open borders" type once who thought the NAU was just a right wing scare tactic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    I was in an argument with an "open borders" type once who thought the NAU was just a right wing scare tactic.
    If it's nothing but a charade and scare tactic for conservatives, the propaganda is deeper than I thought. That would be a supremely well orchestrated "scare" show.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

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