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    7 Big Lies 'American Sniper' Is Telling America


    7 Big Lies 'American Sniper' Is Telling America

    There is a backlash against the film's misleading take on sniper Chris Kyle's character.

    By Zaid Jilani / AlterNet

    January 21, 2015

    The film American Sniper, based on the story of the late Navy Seal Chris Kyle, is a box office hit, setting records for an R-rated film released in January. Yet the film, the autobiography of the same name, and the reputation of Chris Kyle are all built on a set of half-truths, myths and outright lies that Hollywood didn't see fit to clear up.

    Here are seven lies about Chris Kyle and the story that director Clint Eastwood is telling:

    1. The Film Suggests the Iraq War Was In Response To 9/11: One way to get audiences to unambiguously support Kyle's actions in the film is to believe he's there to avenge the 9/11 terrorist attacks. The movie cuts from Kyle watching footage of the attacks to him serving in Iraq, implying there is some link between the two.

    2. The Film Invents a Terrorist Sniper Who Works For Multiple Opposing Factions: Kyle's primary antagonist in the film is a sniper named Mustafa. Mustafa is mentioned in a single paragraph in Kyle's book, but the movie blows him up into an ever-present figure and Syrian Olympic medal winner who fights for both Sunni insurgents in Fallujah and the Shia Madhi army.

    3. The Film Portrays Chris Kyle as Tormented By His Actions:
    Multiple scenes in the movie portray Kyle as haunted by his service. One of the film's earliest reviews praised it for showing the “emotional torment of so many military men and women.” But that torment is completely absent from the book the film is based on. In the book, Kyle refers to everyone he fought as “savage, despicable” evil. He writes, “I only wish I had killed more.” He also writes, “I loved what I did. I still do. If circumstances were different – if my family didn't need me – I'd be back in a heartbeat. I'm not lying or exaggerating to say it was fun. I had the time of my life being a SEAL.” On an appearance on Conan O'Brien's show he laughs about accidentally shooting an Iraqi insurgent. He once told a military investigator that he doesn't “shoot people with Korans. I'd like to, but I don't.”

    4. The Real Chris Kyle Made Up A Story About Killing Dozens of People In Post-Katrina New Orleans:
    Kyle claimed that he killed 30 people in the chaos of New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina, a story Louisiana writer Jarvis DeBerry calls “preposterous." It shows the sort of mentality post-war Kyle had, but the claim doesn't appear in the film.

    5. The Real Chris Kyle Fabricated A Story About Killing Two Men Who Tried To Carjack Him In Texas:
    Kyle told numerous people a story about killing two alleged carjackers in Texas. Reporters tried repeatedly to verify this claim, but no evidence of it exists.

    6. Chris Kyle Was Successfully Sued For Lying About the Former Governor of Minnesota:
    Kyle alleged that former Minnesota Governor Jesse Ventura defamed Navy SEALs and got into a fight with him at a local bar. Ventura successfully sued Kyle for the passage in his book, and a jury awarded him $1.845 million.

    7. Chris Kyle's Family Claimed He Donated His Book Proceeds To Veterans' Charity, But He Kept Most Of The Profits:
    The National Review debunks the claim that all proceeds of his book went to veterans' charities. Around 2 percent – $52,000 – went to the charities while the Kyles pocketed $3 million.

    Although the movie is an initial box office hit, there is a growing backlash against its simplistic portrayal of the war and misleading take on Kyle's character. This backlash has reportedly spread among members of the Academy of Motion Picture of Arts and Sciences, which could threaten the film's shot at racking up Oscars.

    http://www.alternet.org/culture/7-bi...elling-america



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    but...but....



    lol, I've got nothing.
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    Why is there so much written about this guy, and a movie made about him? If it wasn't for the Ventura thing, I wouldn't know Kyle ever even existed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonPaulFanInGA View Post
    Why is there so much written about this guy, and a movie made about him? If it wasn't for the Ventura thing, I wouldn't know Kyle ever even existed.
    He's the perfect "folk hero" for neocons/war mongers. Like how Robin Hood has been turned into a wealth redistributor instead of a guy that got tax money back.

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    Does Kyle remind anyone of the movie Inglorious Bastards? In that movie Nazis are showcasing a new propaganda film about a nazi soldier with record sniper kills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VoluntaryAmerican View Post
    Does Kyle remind anyone of the movie Inglorious Bastards? In that movie Nazis are showcasing a new propaganda film about a nazi soldier with record sniper kills.
    IT would be hilarious to edit that scene so that all the propaganda shots are replaced with American Sniper footage.
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    American Sniper has warped Americans' fragile little minds

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    A couple of podcasts ago Joe Rogan had Ari Shaffir and Duncan Trussell on and they saw American Sniper and went on about how it is the most blatent propaganda movie. I got a kick out of listening to them describe what they saw. They start talking about it about the 53:10 mark

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    Quote Originally Posted by idiom View Post
    IT would be hilarious to edit that scene so that all the propaganda shots are replaced with American Sniper footage.
    Google Seth Rogan American sniper... he made the same point i did and is now apologizing lol. What a coward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonPaulFanInGA View Post
    Why is there so much written about this guy, and a movie made about him? If it wasn't for the Ventura thing, I wouldn't know Kyle ever even existed.
    You clearly don't represent the average American.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xenliad View Post
    He's the perfect "folk hero" for neocons/war mongers. Like how Robin Hood has been turned into a wealth redistributor instead of a guy that got tax money back.
    Doesn't that makes Robin even more of a hero?
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    Quote Originally Posted by VoluntaryAmerican View Post
    Does Kyle remind anyone of the movie Inglorious Bastards? In that movie Nazis are showcasing a new propaganda film about a nazi soldier with record sniper kills.
    Inglorious Basterds- hilarious retake of history.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VoluntaryAmerican View Post
    Google Seth Rogan American sniper... he made the same point i did and is now apologizing lol. What a coward.
    That's exactly what I thought. It's hard to miss the point he was trying to make with what he said, and yet he's trying to say he just noticed the similarities and did not think at all about the implications of what he was saying. He tried to say that he only only noticed aesthetic similarities and was not thinking about the propaganda angle or the purpose of those two movies.

    Yeah... right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VoluntaryAmerican View Post
    Does Kyle remind anyone of the movie Inglorious Bastards? In that movie Nazis are showcasing a new propaganda film about a nazi soldier with record sniper kills.
    Haha...I think the movie was called "Nation's Pride" and could actually be watched in the extras of the DVD, but I sadly missed out. The difference though is that Frederick Zoller was more honest.
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    The big problem is Suspension of Disbelief

    When a person watches a fictional story, they are willing to Suspend their Disbelief that what they are seeing is totally BS, even when we know it is BS. We watch movies and we can imagine that their situation is real. Problem is that once a person goes into this state of mind and stops seeing Actors and Fictional Enviornments, these other details become just as real in the minds of the people. Look at how frequently any fictional story about the future has some form of "Human Chipping" and the characters act like it is no big deal. Other ways of doing this are the "Devil is in the Details" aspect. Such as the latest iteration of Godzilla where one of the beasties came out of the Nuclear Waste Dump: Yucca Mountain. Problem is that in reality, as far as I know, Yucca Mountain never happened. Yucca Mountain is not a Nuclear Waste Dump, despite what the story said. This is possible that the writers of the story already thought that Yucca Mountain is the de facto Nuclear Waste Dump of the world, and it was never commissioned. Hence false reality becomes reality and then into history.
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    Are 4, 5, 6, 7 even lies, or are they just things that the movie didn't mention?

    Kyle very clearly told fish stories, which could certainly be called lies, but is it a lie to not mention them in a movie?



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    Bump.

    I'm looking for an image that was posted on these forums. Had 9/11, Kyle, and Apple Pie.

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    Ronin Truth, I hope you don't mind me linking Chuch Baldwin's editorial here.

    http://chuckbaldwinlive.com/Articles...an-Sniper.aspx

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    Quote Originally Posted by samforpaul View Post
    Ronin Truth, I hope you don't mind me linking Chuch Baldwin's editorial here.

    http://chuckbaldwinlive.com/Articles...an-Sniper.aspx
    It's a great article....it deserves to be posted:

    My Thoughts On The Movie “American Sniper”

    As did millions of other Americans, I went to see the hugely popular Clint Eastwood-directed movie, “American Sniper.” Here are some of my thoughts:

    No one, at least not me, doubts the patriotism, courage, and sacrifice of our nation’s military personnel--especially our combat forces. I certainly do not share Michael Moore’s opinion that Chris Kyle (and the rest of our military snipers) was a coward. Snipers have been effective in helping to wage America’s wars since our War for Independence. In lawful combat, snipers are as needful as any other specialized fighting man.

    My issue is not with Chris Kyle--or with any other American fighting man. My issue is with the justness of the war Chris Kyle was ordered to fight. Yes, I realize that we have an all-volunteer army; but let’s be honest enough to admit that the vast majority of our young people joining the U.S. military sincerely believe that they are doing their patriotic duty by volunteering to conduct war against America’s “enemies.” They learn nothing else from family, school, movies and television, and church. The singular message they hear is that everything the U.S. military does is right and righteous and that every military engagement is just and justified. I’m sure Chris Kyle was no different.

    However, at the risk of sounding unpatriotic, after watching the real-life military exploits of Chris Kyle on the Big Screen, I left the theater extremely angry.

    In the first place, Saddam Hussein and the country of Iraq had absolutely NOTHING to do with 9/11, and virtually everyone on the planet now knows it. G.W. Bush and Dick Cheney unabashedly lied to the American people about the necessity of America invading Iraq. We invaded Iraq under false pretenses; we occupied Iraq under false pretenses; and we took (and lost) thousands of lives under false pretenses.

    If those miscreants in Washington, D.C., want to invade countries that truly have Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD), why don’t they invade Russia, or China, or Great Britain, or North Korea, or India, or Pakistan, or Israel? We haven’t heard the first word about the need to invade and occupy any of those countries. Why not? Each of those countries has known stockpiles of nuclear weapons. And when it comes to abusing human rights, most of the countries listed above have miserable records. But, no one from either party in Washington, D.C., even broaches the idea of invading and occupying (or even bombing) any of these nations. But we were told that the little country of Iraq posed such a severe and imminent threat against the United States that a military invasion was required. Everyone in the world now knows that was poppycock.

    And for the benefit of my Christian readers, Saddam Hussein was one of the most tolerant and accommodating Muslim leaders in the entire region. Christian churches thrived under Hussein. For the most part, Hussein happily accommodated the exercise of the Christian religion in Iraq. He even had at least one Christian in his cabinet.

    What has happened to Christianity in Iraq since the United States overthrew Saddam Hussein? Several recent reports have documented the fact that, for all intents and purposes, Christianity has been totally expunged from the country of Iraq. Christians have fled the country in terror due to intense persecution. There are no churches left in Iraq. This is AFTER the “liberation” of Iraq and the installation of a puppet government by the United States.

    Secondly, as I watched the depiction of U.S. Marines going house-to-house kicking down doors and manhandling old men, women, and children, it occurred to me that these exact same tactics are now being employed by American police agencies against the people of the United States. Our so-called SWAT teams are nothing more than occupying military units on American soil. The strategies, philosophies, mindset, and tactics are exactly the same as soldiers in a war zone.

    Thirdly, ask yourself these questions: what if, instead of the place being Fallujah, Iraq, the place was Kansas City, Missouri? Instead of the invasion force being the U.S. military, it was military troops from China, Russia, or North Korea? What if the occupying military snipers were killing American women and children instead of Iraqi women and children? Would we still consider them “heroes?” And would we act any differently from the Iraqi people who were simply trying to defend their homes and communities against an occupying foreign power?

    When I left the theater, I was not angry with Chris Kyle because he happened to apparently be the best at what he was trained to do; I was angry with the politicians in Washington, D.C., who sent Chris Kyle into an unjust and undeclared war against people who posed NO imminent threat to the United States.

    I am also angry with an American culture that seems to lack the discernment to recognize the difference between just and unjust war. I am further angered by ubiquitous U.S. propaganda against the Muslim people in general (especially by my Christian brethren).

    It seems that hardly anyone recognizes that the power-elite are engaged in a global conspiracy to pit the Muslim nations of the Middle East against the West, and vice-versa. Our own CIA has manipulated the internal affairs of Middle Eastern states for decades. The CIA put Saddam Hussein in power. Where do you think those brand new hundred-dollar bills (in the amount of millions of dollars) stored between the walls of Hussein’s house, all wrapped in Bank of America wrappers, came from?

    The CIA put Osama bin Laden in power. The CIA created Al Qaeda. The CIA created ISIS. And dare we even talk about the illegal drug-running operations that have been conducted by the CIA in both Middle Eastern and Far Eastern nations (not to mention Central and South America) for at least a half-century?

    It might make modern Christian leaders feel morally righteous as they constantly stir hatred in the hearts of their followers against the Muslim people, but what it really does is demonstrate their utter ignorance as to who the real enemy is.

    The global elite are using radical Islamists, Jews, and Christians alike to stir fear and hatred among nations. No religion has a monopoly on hatred and violence. I remind readers that it wasn’t Muslims who killed our brave patriot forebears at Bunker Hill, Lexington Green, and Concord Bridge. It was Christians. It wasn’t Muslims who invaded the newly formed United States in 1812. It was Christians. It wasn’t Muslims who were beating, imprisoning, and murdering non-traditional believers in early America. It was Christians.

    And for all of you who are scared silly about the threat of Sharia Law, I can tell you for a fact that there are numerous Christian preachers today who openly promote bringing America under the civil laws of Old Testament Israel. Yes, that means legalizing capital punishment for adulteresses, children who curse their parents, people who break the Sabbath (Who would define that?), people who are guilty of blasphemy (Who would define that?) homosexuals and lesbians, etc. If these preachers had anything to do with it, we Americans would suffer as much under their brand of “Christianity” as did the people of Israel under the Pharisees and as many who are currently suffering under the heavy hand of Islamic militants today.

    And if you think there is religious liberty for the Jewish people in the modern state of Israel, you haven’t been there. Let a Jew in Israel convert to Christianity and try to publicly witness for his faith (in much the same manner as did the Apostles in the New Testament) and see what happens. The persecution is intense.

    When I was in Israel, I preached in the two Baptist churches in that country. One was in Jerusalem; the other was in Bethlehem. What I discovered surprised me: over ninety percent of the Christians in those churches were not converted Jews; they were converted Muslims. And most of them were Palestinians. In fact, Christianity is growing exponentially among the Palestinian people, even as we speak.

    Christians who are constantly fear-mongering against Muslim people are playing right into the hands of the globalists who are using people of different faiths and cultures to inflame hatred and violence, thus creating the conditions for globalists to come to the rescue with their plans for world government. I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: The American people have far more to fear from Washington, D.C., than they do from Baghdad, Damascus, or Tehran.

    As I left the theater, I was angry with a federal government that cares absolutely nothing about our brave U.S. military personnel. They send them to fight unjust wars only then to treat them like second-class citizens in our VA hospitals. If D.C. truly cared about our military personnel, they would never ask them to risk life and limb except for those times that are truly necessary for the safety and security of the United States.

    America has NO RIGHT to take upon itself the role of the world’s policeman. It has NO RIGHT to send U.S. fighting men to vindicate the policies and prejudices of the United Nations. The President of the United States has NO RIGHT to invade and occupy foreign countries without a Declaration of War by Congress.

    And in the case of rogue militants who pose an imminent danger to the people of the United States, Thomas Jefferson and James Madison handled it constitutionally by asking Congress for a letter of marque and reprisal. Congressman Ron Paul introduced just such a bill following the 9/11 attacks. Had Congress followed the Constitution and passed Dr. Paul’s bill, much of the turmoil and unrest that currently exists in the Middle East today would have been completely circumvented. But, then again, the globalists would not have been able to inflame the world against each other like they have.

    I am angry because, in the name of fighting the War on Terror around the world, the American people are quickly losing the liberties guaranteed in our Constitution’s Bill of Rights. And out of a misguided spirit of patriotism, the majority of the American people seem fine with it.

    I am angry because our brave military troops are being asked to give their arms and legs and families and lives for the selfish, political, and economic interests of the ruling elite--and are also asked to take the lives of thousands of innocents in the process.

    If you ask me, Chris Kyle was the victim of a sadistic and out-of-control federal leviathan that respects NOTHING. Not the rule of law. Not liberty--at home or abroad. Not family--our own or the families of other nations. Not constitutional government. Not national borders--our own or anyone else’s. And certainly not the sacredness of life.

    Yes, I watched the movie “American Sniper.” And I left the theater angry.

    P.S. I am in touch with a group of patriot Christians in Springfield, Missouri, who very much desire to start a new non-501c3 fellowship. As soon as this group can grow a little more, I will take my team and conduct a Liberty Church Project conference for these folks. If you live in or near Springfield, Missouri, and would like to join this group, here is an email that you can use to connect with them. Hopefully, there will soon be enough people that we can see a brand new non-501c3 church established in Springfield, Missouri.

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    Quote Originally Posted by samforpaul View Post
    Ronin Truth, I hope you don't mind me linking Chuch Baldwin's editorial here.

    http://chuckbaldwinlive.com/Articles...an-Sniper.aspx
    Nah, no problem.

    Whatever floats you boat.

    Enjoy!

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