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    Thumbs down Middle Class Shrinks Further as More Fall Out Instead of Climbing Up

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    Adhanet Kidane, 30, a single mother in Tampa, Fla., earns minimum wage at two fast-food restaurants. Credit Edward Linsmier for The New York Times

    The middle class that President Obama identified in his State of the Union speech last week as the foundation of the American economy has been shrinking for almost half a century.

    In the late 1960s, more than half of the households in the United States were squarely in the middle, earning, in today’s dollars, $35,000 to $100,000 a year. Few people noticed or cared as the size of that group began to fall, because the shift was primarily caused by more Americans climbing the economic ladder into upper-income brackets.

    But since 2000, the middle-class share of households has continued to narrow, the main reason being that more people have fallen to the bottom. At the same time, fewer of those in this group fit the traditional image of a married couple with children at home, a gap increasingly filled by the elderly.

    This social upheaval helps explain why the president focused on reviving the middle class, offering a raft of proposals squarely aimed at concerns like paying for a college education, taking parental leave, affording child care and buying a home.

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    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/26/bu...s&emc=rss&_r=1



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    Direct all of government resources into the following:

    1 - Selling off and outsourcing manufacturing.

    2 - Destroying the "nuclear family" social norm.

    3 - Flooding the market with cheap labor from abroad (and women who had been doing the important job of raising children and keeping the home intact).

    4 - Debasing and gutting the currency.

    And of course you're going to destroy the middle class.

    Duh.

    It was the plan all along, working perfectly by the way, thanks for asking.

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    I SWAG that's a part of Obama's NWO agenda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin Truth View Post
    I SWAG that's a part of Obama's NWO agenda.
    It's been part of the NWO agenda since about 1955 or so.

    Everything changed post WWII.

    The largest example of "snatching defeat from the jaws of victory" in history.

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    Middle class basically came into existance in the wake of WWII. We were the only surviving economy and much was needed to rebuild. There wan't much middle class before then. Now as other countries have increased their own economies, our share has been falling.

    http://content.time.com/time/nation/...882147,00.html

    "America's middle class is hurting," said Vice President Joe Biden last month when he announced the formation of a Middle-Class Task Force, which will meet for the first time on Feb. 27. The recession, with its job losses, mortgage defaults and stock-market tumbles, has threatened Americans' ability to make ends meet. "It is our charge to get the middle class — the backbone of this country — up and running again," the Vice President declared, and one could practically hear the cheers emanating from single-family homes with two-car garages. But what exactly is the American middle class?

    Class is an inherently nebulous concept, and although the U.S. government defines poverty (presently, it's anything under $22,000 for a family of four), it does not define what it means to be middle class. The U.S. Census Bureau says the median income in the U.S. is about $51,000 a year, but how far does the "middle" stretch? According to a 2008 Pew Research Center survey, half of Americans self-identify as middle class.


    Our modern image of the middle class comes from the post–World War II era. The 1944 GI Bill provided returning veterans with money for college, businesses and home mortgages. Suddenly, millions of servicemen were able to afford homes of their own for the first time. As a result, residential construction jumped from 114,000 new homes in 1944 to 1.7 million in 1950. In 1947, William Levitt turned 4,000 acres of Long Island, New York, potato farms into the then largest privately planned housing project in American history. With 30 houses built in assembly-line fashion every day — each with a tree in the front yard — the American subdivision was born.

    Then came the cars. And the backyard barbecues. And the black-and-white TVs. Ozzy and Harriet, Lucy and Ricky, Leave it to Beaver. In September 1958, Bank of America tested its first 60,000 credit cards (later named Visa) in Fresno, Calif. Within a decade, Americans had signed up for more than 100 million credit cards. Today, the number tops 1 billion. African Americans were able to pull themselves into the middle-class bracket through the social gains of the civil rights movement, though a disproportionate number still live below the poverty line.

    Today, most middle-class Americans are homeowners. They have mortgages, at least some college education and a professional or managerial job that earns them somewhere between $30,000 and $100,000 a year. Although the suburban stereotype still holds, the middle class is just as likely to be found in urban centers (rural, not so much), and 70% of them have cable and two or more cars. Two-thirds have high-speed Internet, and 40% own a flat-screen TV. They have several credit cards each and a lot of luxury goods, but they still believe that others have more than they do. In 1970, TIME described middle America as people who "sing the national anthem at football games — and mean it."
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 01-28-2015 at 11:38 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Middle class basically came into existance in the wake of WWII. We were the only surviving economy and much was needed to rebuild. There wan't much middle class before then. Now as other countries have increased their own economies, our share has been falling.

    http://content.time.com/time/nation/...882147,00.html
    Try not to distort reality too much. The middle class rose with the merchant class of the 1600s. When the nobilities' grip as well as the Church's started to slip.

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    Interestingly charts at the article also show the "lower class" also falling over time.



    Is everybody else having problems with this image? I just see the shape of the chart and not the figures on them. The one on the left is "low income" they define as $35k a year or less. It goes from 40% down to 34%. The rising chart on the right is the "upper class" which they defined as those making over $100k. It rises from seven percent to 22%.

    Link to the article and original chart: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/26/bu...s&emc=rss&_r=2
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 01-28-2015 at 11:48 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Is everybody else having problems with this image?
    Several. For one thing, the dollar has devalued so much since 1967 that what was solidly middle class then--say, $20,000--is counted as poor, and what was quite wealthy--like $100,000-- is counted as middle class. For another, it looks only at households. Whoever prepared it can't even be bothered to mention in passing what percentage of the population is homeless, and therefore not counted as a 'household'.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.



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    The biggest problem is trying to decide what exactly "middle class" means. Is it measured by "living standard"? How is that measured? By income? What should the cutoff level be for that income (we can make it bigger or smaller by changing the cutoff amounts) ? By what the income can buy? By what you have? Based on "stuff", there are people considered "poor" today who would have been solidly "middle class" 50 years ago- cars, phones, TV's, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    The biggest problem is trying to decide what exactly "middle class" means. Is it measured by "living standard"? How is that measured? By income? What should the cutoff level be for that income (we can make it bigger or smaller by changing the cutoff amounts) ? By what the income can buy? By what you have? Based on "stuff", there are people considered "poor" today who would have been solidly "middle class" 50 years ago- cars, phones, TV's, etc.
    Oh, that's a problem, all right, and a mighty convenient one for those who apologize for those who enrich the rich by debasing the currency.

    But the bigger problem in understanding the truth behind those three graphs is the fact that the homeless don't get counted as 'households', so those graphs don't give even a slightly meaningful account of the slide of the middle class into poverty.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

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    Anybody see the Obama Admin's plan to tax 529 College savings accounts??? They scrapped it, thank god, when both sides of the pols cried foul.... Who the hell had the balls to come out and actually propose "Hey got a great idea! You know those responsible middle class Americans that are actually saving to pay for their kid's college?? Let's $#@! em good and give out some more free $#@!!!!"

    You can't make this crap up!
    There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.
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    Two-Time Congressional Medal of Honor Winner
    Author of, War is a Racket!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    The biggest problem is trying to decide what exactly "middle class" means. Is it measured by "living standard"? How is that measured? By income? What should the cutoff level be for that income (we can make it bigger or smaller by changing the cutoff amounts) ? By what the income can buy? By what you have? Based on "stuff", there are people considered "poor" today who would have been solidly "middle class" 50 years ago- cars, phones, TV's, etc.

    It makes me think of how job standards have changed when I did Truck Driving for a few years. I kept hearing that Trucking used to be a good job. Now most truckers feel used and abused by their companies, the government, and even the public.

    I will say it's true that sometimes Trucking can seem to pay well, but that's only while the wheels are turning and you're pulling freight. Many times in my experience, I'd get a long route to drop off near the Mexican border in Laredo, TX, but after delivery wind up sitting around for days or over a week sometimes waiting to get a load going out of there.

    Many truckers are just getting by or losing money. Especially if they have a break down. They wind up eating bad Greasy Spoon food or whatever convenience food is at the truck stop. You can start to feel like the only thing that sets you apart from a hobo is you have a truck with a nice bunk to sleep in.

    I'm just tossing this out as an example of decline. It seems like a job that used to get more respect. Hell, I was recently doing another Driving job and when I refused to run an illegal overweight load I had someone at the yard literally scream in my face to get the $#@! out of the yard and deliver that load. They had no regard for the liability that would put on me; if I had an accident I could go to jail.

    In a way, I guess I feel that people can sort of keep the material comforts associated with the Middle Class, but it will come at a higher personal cost of stress and exhaustion to do so. It seems like so many of those jobs now come with more added pressure and expenses from every direction.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...-low-wage-job/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Middle class basically came into existance in the wake of WWII. We were the only surviving economy and much was needed to rebuild. There wan't much middle class before then. Now as other countries have increased their own economies, our share has been falling.

    http://content.time.com/time/nation/...882147,00.html
    Open your eyes Zippy.

    The United States of America is a THIRD WORLD COUNTRY for all but the top 1%.
    1776 > 1984

    The FAILURE of the United States Government to operate and maintain an
    Honest Money System , which frees the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators, is the single largest contributing factor to the World's current Economic Crisis.

    The Elimination of Privacy is the Architecture of Genocide

    Belief, Money, and Violence are the three ways all people are controlled

    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Our central bank is not privately owned.

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    Gee- I didn't realize just how much things have improved in the Third World. They have caught up to us now, eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DamianTV View Post
    Open your eyes Zippy.

    The United States of America is a THIRD WORLD COUNTRY for all but the top 1%.
    Never been to a developing nation, have you?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    The biggest problem is trying to decide what exactly "middle class" means. Is it measured by "living standard"? How is that measured? By income? What should the cutoff level be for that income (we can make it bigger or smaller by changing the cutoff amounts) ? By what the income can buy? By what you have? Based on "stuff", there are people considered "poor" today who would have been solidly "middle class" 50 years ago- cars, phones, TV's, etc.
    I disagree, material possessions are only a small part of defining what used to be "middle class"......

    How about supporting your family on one income while paying off a home in 20 years AND putting your kids through college? And all this took place eating beef, pork, chicken and fish instead of a diet consisting mainly of vegetables and sugar...

    Personally I don't consider cell phones, flat screens, 'puters and computer cars a fair trade.........

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    50 years ago only a fraction went to college. They couldn't afford it.

    In 1959, 10.3% of the male population had a college degree. Women- six percent.

    In 2013, 32% of the male population has a college degree- Women- 31.4%.
    http://www.statista.com/statistics/1...her-by-gender/

    Cars? In 1960, the US had 411 cars per 1000 people. by 2002 it was 812. http://www.econ.nyu.edu/dept/courses...rship_2007.pdf
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 01-30-2015 at 03:50 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    50 years ago only a fraction went to college. They couldn't afford it.
    Fifty years ago no one could graduate high school unless they knew as much comparatively as the holder of an associates' degree does today.

    And if people can afford college today, why are so many student loans in default?
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    50 years ago only a fraction went to college. They couldn't afford it.

    In 1959, 10.3% of the male population had a college degree. Women- six percent.

    In 2013, 32% of the male population has a college degree- Women- 31.4%.
    http://www.statista.com/statistics/1...her-by-gender/

    Cars? In 1960, the US had 411 cars per 1000 people. by 2002 it was 812. http://www.econ.nyu.edu/dept/courses...rship_2007.pdf
    Ya' think this might be part of the problem?

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    what is a degree worth when everyone is given one.
    rewritten history with armies of their crooks - invented memories, did burn all the books... Mark Knopfler

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    So only the elites should be educated. Don't want too many people with an education. How would that impact the size of the middle class?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    So only the elites should be educated. Don't want too many people with an education. How would that impact the size of the middle class?
    A world full of doctors and no janitors.
    rewritten history with armies of their crooks - invented memories, did burn all the books... Mark Knopfler

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    Every sociologist, no matter their persuasion, admits that social stratification is necessary.
    rewritten history with armies of their crooks - invented memories, did burn all the books... Mark Knopfler



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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    So only the elites should be educated. Don't want too many people with an education. How would that impact the size of the middle class?
    Neat twist to what NOBODY said...

    Government must get out of education, no loans, no publically funded schools, no government intrusion.

    If you're trying to state that today's college graduate is better educated than yesterdays 8th grader there are countless test scores to disprove that hypothesis...

    Government involvement in education "for the poor" or "for the children" or " for the minorities" only empowers government, the people who hunger for knowledge will become educated even without government...

    The only drawback to cutting out the government is that stupid rich kids will have diplomas regardless but they already do so even that argument is moot..

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    Quote Originally Posted by torchbearer View Post
    what is a degree worth when everyone is given one.
    Degrees are worth DEBT because of the quantity of money that needs to be spent to buy one.
    1776 > 1984

    The FAILURE of the United States Government to operate and maintain an
    Honest Money System , which frees the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators, is the single largest contributing factor to the World's current Economic Crisis.

    The Elimination of Privacy is the Architecture of Genocide

    Belief, Money, and Violence are the three ways all people are controlled

    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Our central bank is not privately owned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    So only the elites should be educated. Don't want too many people with an education. How would that impact the size of the middle class?
    The middle class was blue collar, not white collar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    So only the elites should be educated. Don't want too many people with an education. How would that impact the size of the middle class?
    Nobody said that. But when the nation was enjoying the height of the middle class enrichment, a vocation was the way people earned those middle class incomes. What you're seemingly proposing is that if everybody gets a college degree, then everybody will be middle class?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    50 years ago only a fraction went to college. They couldn't afford it.

    In 1959, 10.3% of the male population had a college degree. Women- six percent.

    In 2013, 32% of the male population has a college degree- Women- 31.4%.
    http://www.statista.com/statistics/1...her-by-gender/

    Cars? In 1960, the US had 411 cars per 1000 people. by 2002 it was 812. http://www.econ.nyu.edu/dept/courses...rship_2007.pdf
    College used to not be a "requirement" for a "job". College used to be much more affordable, and the costs of Tuition could be afforded by an average wage. College was also for those who were genuinely interested in the information and not for the "qualifications" of a College Degree. Colleges used to also be a place of Learning, not continued Indoctrination.

    This whole "College" thing completely discounts every other professional trade out there. Plummers. Eletricians. Carpender. Mechanic. Now, everything is put behind the Pay Wall of College. People are not supposed to learn as they go. They are supposed to pay $#@!loads of money to an Institution that only teaches Intellectual Dependancy as part of its cirriculum. The result is that if you dont have a College Degree and bolster the College Scam, that person only deserves Minimum Wage, or less. Plummers should all make Minimum Wage. Soldiers deserve no respect for any training they received from the Military. Self Education has zero value. College is a Paywall to a Piece of Paper that says "you're smart" because you are now "qualified" as "obedient".

    Every path to financial success that you are told to follow only benefits those who control access to their society. And they do not share with anyone. The Middle Class has been over burdened with regulation, suffered the consequences of corporate greed, have the fruits of their labor confiscated by those who do not produce and do not contribute, competition has been prohibited, self reliance has been dismantled, and every legal path to prosperity and independence has its own series of Paywalls to stand in the way. We have undermined the very foundation of a Free Market and have no solid ground to stand on. Damn near everything is illegal. For the few things that still remain Legal, you still have more Paywalls in the way by Licensing and Permits. We are not allowed to produce for ourselves. We can not sell our Labor to our neighbors and friends without special Permission to be granted by those who do not contribute Labor.

    We have become a nation dependant on Parasites to grant us any ability to survive, and the Host to this Parasitic Plutocratic Class has drained us of nearly every drop of blood.
    1776 > 1984

    The FAILURE of the United States Government to operate and maintain an
    Honest Money System , which frees the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators, is the single largest contributing factor to the World's current Economic Crisis.

    The Elimination of Privacy is the Architecture of Genocide

    Belief, Money, and Violence are the three ways all people are controlled

    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Our central bank is not privately owned.

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    Higher competition for jobs has meant higher requirements to get a job. Better paying jobs need even higher requirements. Supply and demand. Post WWII there was a shortage of workers. It was easier to get a job.

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