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    Koch brothers prepared to unleash nearly $1bn leading up to 2016 election



    Businessman David Koch. (Reuters/Carlo Allegri)

    Conservative American oligarchic industrialists Charles and David Koch plan to raise $889 million to spend on political operations ahead of the 2016 election. The sum would be more than twice as much as the Koch network spent during the 2012 election.

    The budget figure was released Monday in Palm Springs, Calif., to about 450 donors and allies who attended the Koch network’s annual winter meeting of Freedom Partners Chamber of Commerce, the non-profit organization at the epicenter of the Kochs’ political advocacy.

    As head of the vast network of politically-conservative non-profits, Freedom Partners funnels millions of dollars that often pass through ‘dark money’ groups that -- thanks to the 2010 US Supreme Court decision known as Citizens United -- are legally allowed to raise and distribute unlimited amounts of money while withholding the identities of donors.

    "We have never seen this before," Sheila Krumholz, head of the non-partisan Center for Responsive Politics, said of the Koch budget. "There is no network akin to this one in terms of its complexity, scope and resources."

    To put $889 million into perspective, the Republican National Committee (RNC), the campaign fundraising arm of the Republican Party, raised and spent $400 million during the 2012 election cycle.

    Freedom Partners, meanwhile, spent almost $240 million during the 2012 campaign season, funding nearly three dozen right-wing organizations. The network intended to spend $290 million during the 2014 midterm election, according to the Daily Beast.

    The cascade of wealthy funders that attended the weekend conference were feted by four potential Republican presidential candidates -- US Sens. Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, and Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker. At least six US senators were on hand to thank donors, according to reports.

    Continued - Koch brothers prepared to unleash nearly $1bn leading up to 2016 election


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    Last edited by Natural Citizen; 01-27-2015 at 03:22 PM.



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    If the Koch Brothers back Rand, there is literally no way we are losing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanguard101 View Post
    If the Koch Brothers back Rand, there is literally no way we are losing
    Yeah? What will "we" win?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanguard101 View Post
    If the Koch Brothers back Rand, there is literally no way we are losing
    NC leans left. Koch is a 4 letter word to her. But I hope they back Rand, and I hope you are right and that we win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Natural Citizen View Post
    Yeah? What will "we" win?
    I don't understand what you are trying to imply here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanguard101 View Post
    I don't understand what you are trying to imply here.
    How many issues do you think $1bn make you compromise on, eh, just a little?

    They will own him.
    They confronted me in the day of my calamity, but the Lord was my support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanguard101 View Post
    I don't understand what you are trying to imply here.
    I'm not trying to imply anything, Vanguard101. I was just asking a question relative to your thought on it. What will we win by allowing multi-billionaire oligarchs to repatriate processes for presidential nominations for any political party that is historically understood to be representative of the people? We the people...
    Last edited by Natural Citizen; 01-27-2015 at 03:52 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    NC leans left. Koch is a 4 letter word to her. But I hope they back Rand, and I hope you are right and that we win.
    Heh. I'm not even very political, angelatc. I'm fond of political news, though.



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    Quote Originally Posted by staerker View Post
    How many issues do you think $1bn make you compromise on, eh, just a little?

    They will own him.
    And?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Natural Citizen View Post
    Heh. I'm not even very political, angelatc. I'm fond of political news, though.
    Russia Today is literally communist propaganda. The Koch Brothers are allies, not enemies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    Russia Today is literally communist propaganda. The Koch Brothers are allies, not enemies.
    All news is propaganda. It's what you take from it and choose to do with it that makes the magic. The Koch network are allies to whom? Explain please.
    Last edited by Natural Citizen; 01-27-2015 at 03:50 PM.

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    Ah well. I suppose you're ignoring me now.

    I'll add to the thread as relevance presents itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Natural Citizen View Post
    All news is propaganda. .
    That simply isn't true. And RT is 100% funded and controlled by the communist Russian government. It is literally illegal for them to broadcast criticism of Putin's government.

    The Koch network are allies to whom? Explain please.
    Well, they are not allies to the liberals and the Rand haters, I guess. But for those of us who want smaller government with lower taxes and less regulation, they are allies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    That simply isn't true. And RT is 100% funded and controlled by the communist Russian government. It is literally illegal for them to broadcast criticism of Putin's government.

    Well, they are not allies to the liberals and the Rand haters, I guess. But for those of us who want smaller government with lower taxes and less regulation, they are allies.
    Angelatc, I'd challenge you to compare genuine and relevant reporting from RT to any news platform of your choice. Perhaps start by performing a search on RT for Ron Paul or Rand Paul before doing so for any of the critical issues that impact Americans that are also reported on the platform.

    Koch brothers are mercantilists. Do you understand what that means?
    Last edited by Natural Citizen; 01-27-2015 at 04:23 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Natural Citizen View Post
    Angelatc, I'd challenge you to compare genuine and relevant reporting from RT to any news platform of your choice. Perhaps start by perform a search on RT for Ron Paul or Rand Paul before doing so for any of the issues that impact Americans.
    You mean like that time that Liz Wahl quit because RT insisted that she censor a Ron Paul comment about Russia's involvement in Ukraine?

    Or how about that time that time they reported a "study" that crop workers were dying because Monsanto, and then it was pointed out that it was actually just a theory put out by two grad students, and not study at all?

    Or how about that time that Sarah Firth quit rather than broadcast the absolute fabricated lies about that Air Malaysia flight?

    Or what about those Ukranian journalists started a site called "StopFake.org" where they highlighted, among other things, RT using footage from past military conflicts in Georgia, South Ossetia or Syria and presenting them as current footage from Ukraine? Who got fired of sanctioned over that again? Oh wait - nobody.

    Koch brothers are mercantilists.
    Yawn. Everybody who disagrees with you is a mercantilist, IIRC.

    Do you understand what that means?
    Of course. It means you've learned a word that pertains to 16th century economic theory and like to throw it around as an attempt at an insult.

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    angela. I'm talking about real junk. None of that reality tv kind of stuff that some of us like to reference as the critical news of the day. I think that you're trying to kill my thread with romper room antics.

    I'll tell you what. I'll do it myself. I'm going to go yard on you with regard to the subject of the thread here. Wait for it...

    And you know that I'm right with regard to our mercantilist friends in the subject line. I know you do. Heh...

    Also. I have a thread around here with regard to the Ukraine. I'll try to bump that for you. Much has been discussed there. And I have a thread on Monsanto as well. Actually two of them. One with regard to foreign policy and the TPP and another just to keep you occupied and out of the way.

    Here you go...

    'Slaughterhouse': Civilians die in Kiev's ruthless military attacks (GRAPHIC)

    Monsanto in US Foreign Policy

    Koch ally to introduce Monsanto-backed bill to bar state GMO labeling laws

    72 points of BRICS Summit Declaration

    Now, I haven't updated the Ukraine thread in a while. I should probably do that. People are still being shelled in their homes over there. I think 30 or so died the other day by way of random road shelling.
    Last edited by Natural Citizen; 01-27-2015 at 05:19 PM.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Natural Citizen View Post
    angela. I'm taling about real junk.

    Oh you asked for examples, so I thought you wanted examples. My bad.


    I think that you're trying to kill my thread with romper room antics.

    Yes, because providing egregious examples of blatant Russian propaganda when asked to do so certainly ruined a thread that was designed to insult Rand Paul. Again, my bad.
    I'll tell you what. I'll do it myself. I'm going to go yard on you with regard to the subject of the thread here. Wait for it...

    No, I am not playing your silly game of gish gallop.


    And you know that I'm right with regard to our mercantilist friends in the subject line. I know you do. Heh...

    I knew I was right when I implied that you started this thread with the intent to insult Rand, not celebrate the possibilities. Go ahead, I'll give you the last word

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    Go ahead, I'll give you the last word

    I'm going to take you off of my ignore list, angela. And, really, because I always go at it with you anyhow. I don't really care if you neg me. I'll just think of them as little rose petals from angela with love. But if you add nasty comments with your negs then I'm putting you back on ignore again.
    Last edited by Natural Citizen; 01-27-2015 at 05:31 PM.

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    This thread can probably go into Hot topics now. Really, all that came from it was juvenile pitter patter with me and nailz over here.

    I'll just start a new thread should relevant news come up. It really is an important subject in the scheme of things, though. And certainly something to remain watchful of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Natural Citizen View Post
    I'm not trying to imply anything, Vanguard101. I was just asking a question relative to your thought on it. What will we win by allowing multi-billionaire oligarchs to repatriate processes for presidential nominations for any political party that is historically understood to be representative of the people? We the people...
    What we know:

    1. At least one of the two koch brothers stand with us on many libertarian principles, this should be well known at RPF by now.

    2. The $889M that they are supposedly spending isn't all being directly funded through one channel to one candidate, they will be donated to many different organizations like or are very similar to Freedomworks, AFP, Club for Growth, etc... whom have the opportunity to use that money as they see fit.
    THE SQUAD of RPF
    1. enhanced_deficit - Paid Troll / John Bolton book promoter
    2. Devil21 - LARPing Wizard, fake magical script reader
    3. Firestarter - Tax Troll; anti-tax = "criminal behavior"
    4. TheCount - Comet Pizza Pedo Denier <-- sick

    @Ehanced_Deficit's real agenda on RPF =troll:

    Who spends this much time copy/pasting the same recycled links, photos/talking points.

    7 yrs/25k posts later RPF'ers still respond to this troll

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    Quote Originally Posted by eleganz View Post
    What we know:

    1. At least one of the two koch brothers stand with us on many libertarian principles, this should be well known at RPF by now.

    2. The $889M that they are supposedly spending isn't all being directly funded through one channel to one candidate, they will be donated to many different organizations like or are very similar to Freedomworks, AFP, Club for Growth, etc... whom have the opportunity to use that money as they see fit.

    etc is a long list. I won't add the lengthy lists of the Koch brothers’ congressional empire in the House and Senate, bankrolled state politicians, Gubernatorial Election candidates, House Energy and Commerce Committe bankroll and the rest of all of that. That sure is a lot of power for a couple of oligarchs to have just because they are billionaires.

    Cato Institute, Pioneer Institute for Public Policy Research, Citizens for a Sound Economy 2, Environmental Literacy Council, George Mason’s Mercatus Center, Property and Environment Research Center, Americans for Prosperity Foundation, Center for Equal Opportunity, Heritage Foundation, Institute for Energy Research, Institute for Humane Studies, Atlas Economic Research Foundation, Bill of Rights Institute, Ethics and Public Policy Center, Youth Entrepreneurs of Kansas, Citizens for Congressional Reform Foundation, Institute for Justice, Frontiers of Freedom Institute, Reason Foundation,Texas Public Policy Foundation, National Foundation for Teaching Entrepreneurship,The Phillips Foundation, Federalist Society,John Locke Foundation, Institute for the Study of Human Origins,Fund for American Studies, American Enterprise Institute & Brookings Joint Center for Regulatory Studies, James Madison Institute, Manhattan Institute, John W. Pope Center for Higher Education Policy, Washington Legal Foundation, Young America’s Foundation, Foundation for Individual Rights in Education, Leadership Institute, Foundation for Research on Economics & the Environment, American Council on Science & Health, Competitive Enterprise Institute, Laffer Center for Global Economic Growth, National Center for Policy Analysis, Association of Private Enterprise Education, American Legislative Exchange Council, Commonwealth Foundation for Public Policy Alternatives, Capital Research Center, Center for Independent Thought, Tax Foundation,National Federation of Independent Business (NFIB) Legal Foundation, Independent Women’s Forum, Carbon Dioxide & Global Change Center, International Foundation for Research in Experimental Economics,Mackinac Center for Public Policy, Acton Institute, Market Based Management Institute, Fraser Institute, Media Institute, Pacific Research Institute, Heartland Institute, American Council for Capital Formation, Goldwater Institute, George C. Marshall Institute, Institute for Research on the Economics of Taxation, Libertarian Review Foundation, Americans for Tax Reform, Students in Free Enterprise, Buckeye Institute for Public Policy Solutions, Center for Excellence in Education, Center for Freedom & Prosperity Foundation,Ayn Rand Institute, National Tax Limitation Foundation,International Policy Network, North Carolina Institute for Constitutional Law, Becket Fund for Religious Liberty, Free Enterprise Education Institute, Atlantic Legal Foundation, South Carolina Policy Council for Political Economy, Center for Individual Rights, Media Research Center, Texas Justice Foundation, Future of Freedom Foundation, Foundation for Economic Education, Pacific Legal Foundation, National Taxpayers Union Foundation, Foundation for Human Development, Institute for Policy Innovation, American Spectator, Critical Review Foundation, Galen Institute, Hudson Institute...etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by staerker View Post
    How many issues do you think $1bn make you compromise on, eh, just a little?

    They will own him.
    Maybe. They are socially to the left of Rand.
    Lifetime member of more than 1 national gun organization and the New Hampshire Liberty Alliance. Part of Young Americans for Liberty and Campaign for Liberty. Free State Project participant and multi-year Free Talk Live AMPlifier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    That simply isn't true. And RT is 100% funded and controlled by the communist Russian government. It is literally illegal for them to broadcast criticism of Putin's government.
    It is true. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/propaganda?s=t The "news" report that does not contain value statements or details that color the meaning is so rare that it virtually doesn't exist. Loaded language has been the norm in US journalism for 200+years.
    Quote Originally Posted by Torchbearer
    what works can never be discussed online. there is only one language the government understands, and until the people start speaking it by the magazine full... things will remain the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Torchbearer
    what works can never be discussed online. there is only one language the government understands, and until the people start speaking it by the magazine full... things will remain the same.
    Hear/buy my music here "government is the enemy of liberty"-RP Support me on Patreon here Ephesians 6:12



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    Quote Originally Posted by heavenlyboy34 View Post
    Is there anything factually incorrect in the op?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Natural Citizen View Post
    Is there anything factually incorrect in the op?
    IDK, as I'm not a fact-checker unless it's something I'm particularly interested in. I was just responding to angie.
    Quote Originally Posted by Torchbearer
    what works can never be discussed online. there is only one language the government understands, and until the people start speaking it by the magazine full... things will remain the same.
    Hear/buy my music here "government is the enemy of liberty"-RP Support me on Patreon here Ephesians 6:12

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    Quote Originally Posted by heavenlyboy34 View Post
    IDK, as I'm not a fact-checker unless it's something I'm particularly interested in. I was just responding to angie.
    It is understood that the truth do sting a bit. As well, it is expected for some to cry sour grapes or to revert to ad-hominem when they don't like some things being mentioned. I get that. It is a normal human reaction. I'd only ask that if you are going to promote what she is saying with regard to the news that I've shared here in the op as being propaganda then at least take the time to read it prior to running with her meme. That's really all.
    Last edited by Natural Citizen; 01-27-2015 at 06:37 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    That simply isn't true. And RT is 100% funded and controlled by the communist Russian government. It is literally illegal for them to broadcast criticism of Putin's government.

    Well, they are not allies to the liberals and the Rand haters, I guess. But for those of us who want smaller government with lower taxes and less regulation, they are allies.
    RT >>> Fox News/MSNBC/CNN

    And with all of this glorification of the Koch brothers, where were they for all 3 of Ron Paul's presidential campaigns?

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    This is good news for our movement.
    The bigger government gets, the smaller I wish it was.
    My new motto: More Love, Less Laws

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    So we have Bloomberg and Soros influencing our elections all over the place but there is some huge problem with the Koch brothers?
    "The Patriarch"

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