California considering plan to replace gas tax with charge per mile driven

[Anti Federalist]

Good Lord. Seems the only way out is to leave, but to where?

Nowhere.

This system is going world wide.

In another 20 years there will not be a square inch of earth that will not be under surveillance.

Comply or Resist.

[Suzanimal]

"I do think that bicyclists need to start paying for the roads they ride on rather than make motorists pay."

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/mar...hwest-20130307

FFS...

[Chester Copperpot]

This is actually a Libertarian solution.

Whats happened to you??

First its freaking out that anti-vaccine people are nuts..

then its Vitamin C isnt good for you..


Now its a pay-per-mile tax is libertarian??

Who are you and what have you done with the real Angelatc???

[squarepusher]

Whats happened to you??

First its freaking out that anti-vaccine people are nuts..

then its Vitamin C isnt good for you..


Now its a pay-per-mile tax is libertarian??

Who are you and what have you done with the real Angelatc???

Isn't it obvious? Lets say the roads were owned by a private owner (libertarian), that owner would allow you to use their roads for a toll or a fee. IT could be a toll road or it could be pay per mile (with new technology this makes traditional toll booth obsolete). This is what is being proposed.

I don't understand what the objection here is Do you think you would get free roads in a libertarian society?

[Chester Copperpot]

Isn't it obvious? Lets say the roads were owned by a private owner (libertarian), that owner would allow you to use their roads for a toll or a fee. IT could be a toll road or it could be pay per mile (with new technology this makes traditional toll booth obsolete). This is what is being proposed.

I don't understand what the objection here is Do you think you would get free roads in a libertarian society?

The problem is the roads ARENT owned by a private owner.

[puppetmaster]

I dont like it ...but it will be the "norm" in order to tax hydrogen powered cars

[squarepusher]

The problem is the roads ARENT owned by a private owner.

it still makes sense.

Previously, gas taxes were used to pay for roads/maintenance. However, not all cars use gas anymore, so a per mile/car tax would more accurately represent this so gas cars aren't overly taxed. I'm surprise green California is doing this you would think they want to punish gas users more than elec folks.

[jbauer]

The government isn't going to surrender the roads. So....

How do you propose we pay for them if not through a gas tax?

I'd also like to see the books audited to show how much of the current tax is being used on roads and how much is being spent on other stuff.

You've got cars going further on less. Cars not using gas at all. Material costs skyrocketing. Gov employees thinking they need more pay.

Unenviable position.

[nobody's_hero]

This is actually a Libertarian solution.

Actually it's pretty stupid. If anything, it should be weight-based.

I can ride 20,000 miles on a crotch-rocket motorcycle and probably do less damage and wear to the road as if I were driving a pickup truck 500 miles.

Which makes me agree with the next poster who implied it has more to do with tracking movement than patching potholes.

[nobody's_hero]

Seems fairly free market. Government owns the roads, they charge you to use them (per mile fee). Doesn't that make sense?

So the government bought the roads with its own money? I think you're missing a vital participant in the transaction.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

They did a huge construction project where I live, and I almost live in the sticks. I see nary a car on this road. I asked this merchant friend if the traffic improved his business, and he said no.

There is no shortage of money now for such things. They just waste it.

[phill4paul]

The "liberty lovers" that agree with this will change their tune when they come under investigation because GPS shows them in the vicinity of a certain crime. It is just another tool for the government to track everyone's whereabouts. Period. There is, and has always been, enough money to take care of the road system if the revenue collected for it had been spent on it. Instead of...everything else.

[ghengis86]

If it is NOT about control, why not an odometer check at yearly registration? Oh that's right; maximum revenue extraction and control while allowing the absolute minimum illusions of "freedom" to keep the sheep from turning on their masters.

[osan]

This is actually a Libertarian solution.

This is actually just another wrong conclusion.

What crap. Consider this:

"Public concerns, you never get rid of them, they never go away, but you can calm them down if you make the right choices," said James Whitty, who manages the program for the Oregon Department of Transportation.

No mention of what that really means, given "right" predicates upon the goal in question, which is not stated. It could be any of quite a few things.

Nobody is putting such a device into my vehicle. If they do, I will sheathe it in a Faraday cage. Let's see what they have to say about that.

[Weston White]

This is actually Libertarian liberal solution.

FTFY

[oyarde]

Current fuel taxes should be enough .If not , you need better employees .

[squarepusher]

Current fuel taxes should be enough .If not , you need better employees .

I think the problem is, eletric cars and hybrids don't use or use less gas. So those greenies aren't paying for their "share" of the road. As I mentioned above, considering how "green" California claims to be, I am surprised they are cracking down on greenies, you would think they would have just raised the gas tax on the gas drivers to cover that.

[acptulsa]

I think the problem is, eletric cars and hybrids don't use or use less gas. So those greenies aren't paying for their "share" of the road. As I mentioned above, considering how "green" California claims to be, I am surprised they are cracking down on greenies, you would think they would have just raised the gas tax on the gas drivers to cover that.

Oh, come on. You act like the media would talk about the environment 24 hours a day if there was no money in it.

[Chester Copperpot]

The "liberty lovers" that agree with this will change their tune when they come under investigation because GPS shows them in the vicinity of a certain crime. It is just another tool for the government to track everyone's whereabouts. Period. There is, and has always been, enough money to take care of the road system if the revenue collected for it had been spent on it. Instead of...everything else.

THIS