Alex Jones gets his @*#% handed to him by Bill Ayers

[Ralph Coffman]

*** Best Alex Jones Interview ever! *** - . Bill Ayers let Alex Jones make a fool of himself. Great Job Mr. Ayers. I love Alex but Good God Alex. Enough of the Hyped up Bull$#@! of passing on untrue information. Just because the main stream media says it, doesn't mean it's True. Even if it's about a perceived enemy. How convenient to pass the lie on knowingly or without checking if it benefits your Narrative or Agenda- http://www.infowars.com/alex-jones-debates-bill-ayers/

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[jmdrake]

*** Best Alex Jones Interview ever! *** - . Bill Ayers let Alex Jones make a fool of himself. Great Job Mr. Ayers. I love Alex but Good God Alex. Enough of the Hyped up Bull$#@! of passing on untrue information. Just because the main stream media says it, doesn't mean it's True. Even if it's about a perceived enemy. How convenient to pass the lie on knowingly or without checking if it benefits your Narrative or Agenda- http://www.infowars.com/alex-jones-debates-bill-ayers/

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So let me get this straight. You're cheering on an avowed communist terrorist? Really? Are you sure you're at the right forum?

[Ralph Coffman]

So let me get this straight. You're cheering on an avowed communist terrorist? Really? Are you sure you're at the right forum?

When you finally get around to listening to Bill Ayers himself in his own words, you tell me what he says in this entire interview that you disagree with. I'd like to see it in writing for myself.

[brushfire]

Stockholm syndrome?

[Cleaner44]

*** Best Alex Jones Interview ever! *** - . Bill Ayers let Alex Jones make a fool of himself. Great Job Mr. Ayers. I love Alex but Good God Alex. Enough of the Hyped up Bull$#@! of passing on untrue information. Just because the main stream media says it, doesn't mean it's True. Even if it's about a perceived enemy. How convenient to pass the lie on knowingly or without checking if it benefits your Narrative or Agenda- http://www.infowars.com/alex-jones-debates-bill-ayers/

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I am 17 minutes into this and all I can say is that Bill Ayers is clearly intelligent, dishonest and misguided.

I can only guess that you Ralph are somehow a believer of socialist democracies.

Not impressed.

[squarepusher]

Hitler was just misunderstood

[Spikender]

What did Ralph do to deserve all that neg rep?

[jmdrake]

When you finally get around to listening to Bill Ayers himself in his own words, you tell me what he says in this entire interview that you disagree with. I'd like to see it in writing for myself.

Listening to it now. What's your point? That if he can do a 40 minute interview that sounds good that's the truth? Okay. I think Alex did a poor job on this one. He should have asked Bill Ayers about the book "Prairie Fire."

http://www.sds-1960s.org/PrairieFire-reprint.pdf

Here is the quote you should pay attention to on page 24:

"Socialism is the opposite of capitalism/imperialism. It is the rejection of empire and white supremacy. Socialism is the violent overthrow of the bourgeoisie, the establishment of the dictatorship of the proletariat, and the eradication of a social system based on profit. Socialism means the control of the productive forces for good by the whole community instead of corporate greed. Socialism creates the conditions for a decent and creative life for all."

Note that Bill Ayers signed off as a co-author of Prairie Fire.

In this debate with Alex Jones, Bill Ayers not only tries to pretend there's a big difference between socialism and communism, but then he tries to even distance himself from socialism by talking about "participatory democracy" and throwing up a brand new term "economic participatory democracy." Alex Jones should have given him enough rope to hang himself with on that by defining it instead of talking over Ayers whenever he (Ayers) brought that up.

So I throw your challenge back to you. Read "Prairie Fire", especially pages 22 - 26 (the section titled "What we think", and let me know if you agree or disagree with that. David Duke will do interviews today with a lot of stuff that I agree with. That doesn't change the fact that he at least was (and in my opinion still is) a virulent racist. But Bill Ayers wasn't even willing to disavow his past like David Duke has!

[jmdrake]

What did Ralph do to deserve all that neg rep?

Well I didn't neg rep him. I generally don't do that unless someone is ridiculously over the top and/or is neg repping me.. But praising Bill Ayers on a liberty forum? The neg reps are not surprising. I will agree with Ralph on this much. Bill Ayers was very smooth in that "debate" and Alex Jones was an idiot. Alex should have spent time going over what Bill Ayers actually wrote instead of bouncing around from one dubious connection (George Soros) to another (Melissa Harris Perry). Goodness, it's almost like Alex Jones was working with Bill Ayers to help him rehabilitate his image.

[pcosmar]

What did Ralph do to deserve all that neg rep?

Whacking the hornets nest.
Supporting a socialist.

New guy posting stupid $#@! that has already been posted and discussed.

Take your pick.

[Spikender]

Well I didn't neg rep him. I generally don't do that unless someone is ridiculously over the top and/or is neg repping me.. But praising Bill Ayers on a liberty forum? The neg reps are not surprising. I will agree with Ralph on this much. Bill Ayers was very smooth in that "debate" and Alex Jones was an idiot. Alex should have spent time going over what Bill Ayers actually wrote instead of bouncing around from one dubious connection (George Soros) to another (Melissa Harris Perry). Goodness, it's almost like Alex Jones was working with Bill Ayers to help him rehabilitate his image.

They're not surprising, I just find people shooting them at trolls/weird newcomers for stuff like this to be weird. Maybe because I have never handed out a neg rep before I just have a different view. I like seeing crazy statists/trolls/newcomers on this website. It's both a challenge and a breath of fresh air.

Whacking the hornets nest.
Supporting a socialist.

New guy posting stupid $#@! that has already been posted and discussed.

Take your pick.

Whacking a hornet's nest isn't a bad thing, it's just stupid. Give him advice on why not to whack a hornet's nest.

Supporting a socialist doesn't make you a bad person, just misinformed.

That last one is always annoying, but hardly deserving of a neg rep.

[William Tell]

Whacking the hornets nest.
Supporting a socialist.

New guy posting stupid $#@! that has already been posted and discussed.

Take your pick.

I won't neg him, he hasn't been here long enough to know what he thinks on other matters. I don't think scaring off new members is smart, until you at least know what sort they are. Negging someone for posting about something that was discussed before he was here is just plain dumb.

And BTW AJ is great, and I don't like Bill Ayers and communism at all.

[brushfire]

What did Ralph do to deserve all that neg rep?

None from me.

[pcosmar]

I won't neg him, he hasn't been here long enough to know what he thinks on other matters. I don't think scaring off new members is smart. Negging someone for posting about something that was discussed before he was here is just plain dumb.

And BTW AJ is great, and I don't like Bill Ayers and communism at all. The OP was kinda rude to AJ though.

I have never been a follower of AJ,, But he has broken several stories,, and he was one of the few that gave Dr. Paul a platform.

I am now curious who +repped him and for what.?

I suspect if he sticks around,, he will fully earn a red bar.

[Slave Mentality]

OP just fell for a slick talker. Hard not to when Jones sounds like a psyco I guess, but C'mon man. Jones could of had him had he calmed down and let the lies do their work. Very weird interview.

[jmdrake]

OP just fell for a slick talker. Hard not to when Jones sounds like a psyco I guess, but C'mon man. Jones could of had him had he calmed down and let the lies do their work. Very weird interview.

I agree. I could have done a better job and that's not saying much. Jones has a research team. He could have come up with some hard facts instead of all of this "Do you deny that George Soros funds you and MSNBC treats you like the messiah" BS. I honestly have no idea where Alex Jones was going with all of that.

[donnay]

I agree. I could have done a better job and that's not saying much. Jones has a research team. He could have come up with some hard facts instead of all of this "Do you deny that George Soros funds you and MSNBC treats you like the messiah" BS. I honestly have no idea where Alex Jones was going with all of that.

I think David Knight should have interviewed Bill. This is not one of Jones' best interviews, IMHO.

[sparebulb]

I'd like to read more posts by Ralph and learn more about his views and and insights.

/s

[pcosmar]

I'd like to read more posts by Ralph and learn more about his views and and insights.

/s

Not much in his 4 posts,, other than little clue about the forum he joined. I am curious as well.
I gave him the -rep on his gray box for the stupid post.. And that interview had been posted and discussed in the past.

I would happily have given a +rep if it had been anyway deserved.. and mine hit for +22.

handing out +rep for inane bull$#@! sort of defeats the purpose.

[JK/SEA]

I'd like to read more posts by Ralph and learn more about his views and and insights.

/s

steer him over to the Duke thread....fun times.

[Todd]

The best Communists are the greatest artists on earth in the category of Equivocation Fallacy jibberish.

Bill Ayers...Noam Chomskey.

[Antischism]

To be fair, regardless of the interview, Alex Jones is indeed prone to posting misinformation and falling victim to confirmation bias often enough that it would benefit him to be taken to task by others on what he espouses. Jones is very sensationalist and in the business of fear-mongering, though of course, he gets things right sometimes. It would do a world of good if people questioned him to verify his sources.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

The few times somebody said that a person got owned/pawned/whatever--I end up asking where that happened. Not even going to waste my time watching the video.

[Wolfgang Bohringer]

I happened to catch some of this interview while I was eating lunch the other day.

I agree with the OP that Alex was embarassing.

Ayres even tried to give Alex an OUT by trying to establish some common ground on issues such as the American Empire and its mass murders.

And I remember while doing this that Ayres inadvertantly gave Alex the proper "in" to the proper line of questioning when he asked Alex if he was more like Rand Paul on the Empire.

And Alex ALMOST instinctively gave the right response when he said Rand is moving to the middle. But, he didn't continue the proper path which would have been to point out that Ayres is like Rand in that they are both tools (witting or unwitting it matters not--even though I think Ayres is probably more unwitting than Rand).

A true libertarian interviewer would have focused on how both Ayres and Rand are tools pulling their respective left and right audiences to the center--away from suspicion of government and toward shoveling more and more money and power to the welfare/warfare state (respectively).

I didn't hear the whole thing. I doubt Alex was smart enough to bring this up, but I would LOVE to hear Ayers address the thesis of Jack Cashill who used textual analysis to pretty much prove that Obama's book was completely stylistically authored by Ayers.

Ayers--the son of a giant public utility Commonwealth Edison fat cat was a merchant seaman and a very talented writer. Cashill shows how Obama's book is loaded with countless metaphors and illusions to nautical high seas imagery and written by a skilled writer. Cashill then analyses the scant actual extant college writings of Obama and shows how Obama is a border line moron who's writing ability and verbal SAT scores are in the Bill Bradley range--i.e. way below the national mean.

[ZENemy]

Alex Jones has jumped the shark, he went from alternative media to full on infomercial in less than a year. I'm thankful for his previous work and helping to fire up this movement but as of now he is pretty trashy.

[jmdrake]

Right. Alex Jones needs to make Rand Paul look like Bill Ayers.

Alex Jones' purpose was to discredit Ayers. At least that's what he seemed to be wanting to do. AJ should have used Ayers own words to attack him. There's plenty of material.

I happened to catch some of this interview while I was eating lunch the other day.

I agree with the OP that Alex was embarassing.

Ayres even tried to give Alex an OUT by trying to establish some common ground on issues such as the American Empire and its mass murders.

And I remember while doing this that Ayres inadvertantly gave Alex the proper "in" to the proper line of questioning when he asked Alex if he was more like Rand Paul on the Empire.

And Alex ALMOST instinctively gave the right response when he said Rand is moving to the middle. But, he didn't continue the proper path which would have been to point out that Ayres is like Rand in that they are both tools (witting or unwitting it matters not--even though I think Ayres is probably more unwitting than Rand).

A true libertarian interviewer would have focused on how both Ayres and Rand are tools pulling their respective left and right audiences to the center--away from suspicion of government and toward shoveling more and more money and power to the welfare/warfare state (respectively).

I didn't hear the whole thing. I doubt Alex was smart enough to bring this up, but I would LOVE to hear Ayers address the thesis of Jack Cashill who used textual analysis to pretty much prove that Obama's book was completely stylistically authored by Ayers.

Ayers--the son of a giant public utility Commonwealth Edison fat cat was a merchant seaman and a very talented writer. Cashill shows how Obama's book is loaded with countless metaphors and illusions to nautical high seas imagery and written by a skilled writer. Cashill then analyses the scant actual extant college writings of Obama and shows how Obama is a border line moron who's writing ability and verbal SAT scores are in the Bill Bradley range--i.e. way below the national mean.

[TomKat]

Alex Jones has jumped the shark, he went from alternative media to full on infomercial in less than a year. I'm thankful for his previous work and helping to fire up this movement but as of now he is pretty trashy.

This-
I listened to Alex for like five years straight, every episode. I learned a lot (googling everything said) and I enjoyed it even when I disagreed with the topic, guest opinion, or Alex's opinion. A couple years ago right when he started the new expantion it was like he had to ramp up his obnoxious behavior to a new high. This is when the episodes seemed to just be repeating over and over with the same rants that take away from interview or show time. Anymore I just listen when David or Jakari are hosting if I even listen at all

[Anti Federalist]

Alex Jones has jumped the shark, he went from alternative media to full on infomercial in less than a year. I'm thankful for his previous work and helping to fire up this movement but as of now he is pretty trashy.

Yeah, as a fifteen year + listener, this.

[Slave Mentality]

Alex Jones have as just mped the shark, he went from alternative media to full on infomercial in less than a year. I'm thankful for his previous work and helping to fire up this movement but as of now he is pretty trashy.

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[donnay]

You mean you don't take super male vitality, super nascent iodine, and the super flouride blocker? NWO luver!

How do you suppose he funds his operation? He isn't bankrolled by government funds or taxpayer money.