That should rule out financial difficulties as a motive for murder/suicide.Originally Posted by pcosmar
From my reading,, no one believes the suicide story for a second.
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Neither do I. As many here have pointed out it makes no sense that in 3.5 weeks no one inquired as to their well being and over a holiday period no less. It makes no sense that presents were unattended in plain site and not inquired of.
You didn't know him, so it's easy for you assume the line the gov't is putting out there ,hoping that we'll all swallow, is the truth.His neighbors are in on it too?
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I noticed in one of the news reports that his mailbox was empty. Why would that be?
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Peter, where did you read that?
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"I'll believe in good cops when they start turning bad cops in."
Breitbart, Clancy (alleged), Hastings and now this guy? Whoa. One of these days the henchmen are going to be ambushed by a good Samaritan.
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FB I think.. a while back..
was the last I had heard,, before this.
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Dunno where you found that, but if true it is legitimately weird. As in weirder that unfound Christmas packages. Who was emptying their mailbox? Even if you register your mailing address at a PO Box, you still get route bulk mail simply by having a box beside the road. There is no way in modern America to have a mailbox standing beside a road for 3 weeks and it's empty. This tells me someone didn't just empty the mailbox on the day they were killed, but KEPT emptying it all they way up until they were discovered....
Who would go to such an effort to conceal the crime scene?
Unless the family put in a 'Hold Mail' request. Seems investigators would be able to get that information.
Obviously, crowder walked to the mailblox to empty it after he shot himself in the head.
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I see no reason to clear the mail for that reason. More likely (assuming the worst), whatever was coming via the mail was the target of the killer. Assuming of course there was a killer and it wasn't a suicide thing.
Recorded police feed:
http://www.mnpoliceclips.com/audio-b...-home-117.html
The family may have been planning to go away for holidays. Maybe they were going to go to the Caribbean for a month. Put the mail on hold, called all the relatives, "see you in February!"
However, if this was terroristic, I would have been meant to be discovered in the most gruesome way possible. They probably wanted the story to come out on Christmas to get the rest of us thinking, "Gee, I can shut up and enjoy a nice Christmas with my wife and kids. Or...I can open my mouth and get us all killed."
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I'm not sure that hold mail applies to unaddressed bulk so much. I think mail holds apply to addressed mail, while "every mailbox along route 2" is not affected by a hold. Therefore, they would get no 'real' mail, but the pointless coupons that go to everyone's box regardless would still arrive. That, however, is just speculation. It's still just speculation at this point that the box was actually empty, mind you.
Any industrious folks wanna post a transcript?
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The neighbor stated that he shoveled their drive twice. He may have emptied the mailbox too.
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They will hold the junk mail if they know that nobody is there. I have a rental, and when it's empty...so is the mailbox.
What doesn't stop is the junk that isn't mail. When the market tanked in 2008, it was easy to spot the foreclosures by the newspapers and flyers (handymen ads, political flyers, etc) stacked up on the front porch.
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Ahh, I see. Never had it done before. Usually get family or neighbors to pick it up for me.
"Very angry dog inside." hmmm....and they didn't shoot him? I hate to even think about this, but..... if they were there for weeks and the dog was locked up with them, what are the chances of the dog sustaining himself....you know...
No mention of that by the neighbor who looked inside the window (with curtains wide open). And no mention of eaten bodies by the police on arrival, either.
And the police recording states that the sliding glass door was ajar.
Too much just doesn't add up.
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Fluffpost has it now: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/0...n_6500532.html
Skewed of course, to make him look like a gun-loving conspiracy theorist whack-job. And the comment section follows in lock-step.
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A hungry dog will eat anything.
I think it suspicious, without a coroners report, a ballistics report or a blood spatter report that this is already being described as a murder/suicide. With the door ajar it seems plausible that they may have been out returned home to intruders and he died trying to protect his family, hence the gun on the floor. I dunno just seems hinky to me. I'm not exactly a super sociable person, and I would imagine that he was, but if I wasn't heard from in 3.5 weeks someone would have checked on my well being, be it business associate, friend, neighbor or family."Very angry dog inside." hmmm....and they didn't shoot him? I hate to even think about this, but..... if they were there for weeks and the dog was locked up with them, what are the chances of the dog sustaining himself....you know...
No mention of that by the neighbor who looked inside the window (with curtains wide open). And no mention of eaten bodies by the police on arrival, either.
And the police recording states that the sliding glass door was ajar.
Too much just doesn't add up.
Another thing that makes me wonder. A dog can only survive about a week at most (depending on conditions) without water. How is it that the dog survived that long. Were the toilet seats left up? That might give it enough water to survive.
An article made mention of the couch being shredded and stuffed animal toys being shredded and all over the place.
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In 1992, at an American Academy of Forensic Sciences conference in New Orleans, a forensic pathologist told a haunting story: He explained that when people who live alone with their pets die unexpectedly, their bodies are sometimes left in the house for several days. Without their owners around to fill their bowls, the pets often go unfed. In cases where these people owned dogs, their pets would usually go several days without resorting to eating the owner's body. However, a cat would only wait a day or two. The phenomenon is called "postmortem predation."
If it were murder/suicide, wouldn't the dog be killed too? I can see forgetting the goldfish, but a dog?
"Sorry, fellows, the rebellion is off. We couldn't get a rebellion permit."
Also, the sliding glass door was left ajar according to the police recording. He may have left the door open for the dog to go outside and eat and do other things. He could have left a big bag of food on the porch, and left the toilet seats up. If the heater was intentionally left off and the door left open, it could explain why neighbors didn't smell anything too. I guess.....
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"I'll believe in good cops when they start turning bad cops in."
Because "rare" = never. I've never heard of it happening, but I suppose it might be remotely possible.
And we have motive.
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