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    RNC cuts 2016 debate schedule to 12 events - includes debate schedule

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/repub...ry?id=28278432

    After suffering some 2012 debate fatigue when Republican candidates met to discuss issues more than two dozen times, the Republican National Committee announced today it would be restricting the number of debates in the 2016 election cycle to a total of just 12.

    The RNC confirmed at its winter meeting in San Diego that there will definitely be nine debates, with the possibility for three more being added.
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    preliminary debate schedule:

    Fox News -- August 2015, Ohio

    CNN -- September 2015, California

    CNBC -- October 2015, Colorado

    Fox Business -- November 2015, Wisconsin

    CNN -- December 2016, Nevada

    Fox News -- January 2016, Iowa

    ABC News -- February 2016, New Hampshire

    CBS News -- February 2016, South Carolina

    NBC/Telemundo -- February 2016, Florida
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    Looks like they want to have the nominee decided on Super Tuesday.

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    Lots to like about this and some to dislike. Only the last 4 debates are going to matter much, other than possible major errors in the first 5. The Jan. debate will mostly just matter in IA. The Feb. debates will mostly just matter in NH, SC, and FL. Every additional debate added after that becomes increasingly important.

    With fewer debates, there is a much lower chance the Republican nominee will say things that will hurt him in the general election. With strongly partisan Democrats not being allowed to moderate the debate, the focus will be more positive and hopefully less on highly controversial issues. Still, it was nice attending 2 debates last year. It was also nice attending the Youth for Paul debate watching party. Only 1 debate in NH just seems wrong. Hopefully this will lead to more retail campaigning.
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    I don't seem to understand how they can limit the debates like this. What's stopping any major network from just inviting all the candidate to an unofficial debate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt McGuire View Post
    I don't seem to understand how they can limit the debates like this. What's stopping any major network from just inviting all the candidate to an unofficial debate?
    The candidates will get penalized in their delegate count if they participate
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    Quote Originally Posted by CPUd View Post
    Looks like they want to have the nominee decided on Super Tuesday.
    Yeah, it's pretty much been decided by Super Tuesday the last two cycles.... previous years too
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    The Iowa debate will almost certainly be the first week in January
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    The candidates will get penalized in their delegate count if they participate
    Or a candidate's delegates won't be seated



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    It also cuts way down on opportunities for us little people to show up and damage their carefully choreographed and scripted "debates". With much fewer debates for people to attend, expect them all to be filled to the brim with establishment attendees that get all of the tickets and little to no general admission tickets for the rest of us. I went to three debates in 2012. I expect zero in 2016.
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    RNC cuts presidential primary debates to nine

    The debates damage the GOP brand? LOL So the less information the voters have about the candidates, the better?

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-many...s-is-too-many/

    The Republican National Committee announced Friday it would limit the number of presidential primary debates and forums during the 2016 election cycle, acting on concerns that the seemingly endless series of primary debates in 2012 damaged the party's nominee and brand ahead of the general election.

    The new rules issued Friday would cut the total number of primary debates dramatically, to at least nine. The first debate will take place in August in Ohio, and the next eight debates will run through February 29, 2016, just after the South Carolina primary. Those eight events, in chronological order, will be held in California, Colorado, Wisconsin, Nevada, Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, and Florida. Sponsors include CBS News, Fox News, CNN, CNBC, Fox Business Network, ABC News, and NBC/Telemundo.

    Each media outlet will set its own threshold for candidate participation, according to the RNC. Those thresholds will likely become more stringent as the primaries continue and the field of candidates is winnowed.
    [...]
    There were 27 GOP debates and forums in 2012, according to Election Central, if you count the two "Lincoln-Douglas" debates that pitted Newt Gingrich against Herman Cain in one and against Jon Huntsman in the other. Party leaders believe the numerous opportunities for candidates to attack one another took a toll.

    "I'm trying to limit the opportunity we have to kill each other," RNC Chairman Reince Priebus told the Washington Post. "I've always tried to be a person that sells what I control. I don't like to sell things I don't control. I don't control people's mouths, that's for sure, but what I do control is the length of time we have to kill each other."

    Priebus said 2012 debates were "an embarrasment" and "ridiculous," and he vowed after the election to bring the debate process under a tighter yoke by the time 2016 came around.
    AFAIC, with few exceptions, Republican candidates are embarrassing and ridiculous.

    The new rules include stiff penalties aimed at forcing candidates to adhere to the prearranged debate schedule: any candidate who participates in a non-sanctioned debate would be banned from subsequent forums.

    The new rules also give the RNC a greater degree of control over the moderators and sponsors of the debates -- a move borne out of concern that some mainstream media outlets wouldn't give Republican candidates a fair shake. Details are sketchy, but in a press release, the RNC expressed a desire for a larger "conservative media presence" during the debate season.
    [...]
    "By constructing and instituting a sound debate process, it will allow candidates to bring their ideas and vision to Americans in a timely and efficient way," said Priebus in a press release announcing the new debate schedule. "This schedule ensures we will have a robust discussion among our candidates while also allowing the candidates to focus their time engaging with Republican voters. It is exciting that Republicans will have such a large bench of candidates to choose from, and the sanctioned debate process ensures voters will have a chance to gain a chance to hear from them."
    Mmm hm.

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    And I bet they will try to have as many candidates in the race for as long as possible to reduce the time available for someone like Rand to focus down on his opponents.

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    ^ Yep. Rand is going to get less time in the debates than Ron did, and the media's already begun the Rand black-out.

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    Have they come up with actual objective criteria on who gets to participate in the debates?
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    Why is the debate in NH AFTER the NH primary??
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    Fox Business...will Stossel, Judge, etc. be on the panel I wonder?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Have they come up with actual objective criteria on who gets to participate in the debates?
    More good news.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-many...s-is-too-many/

    Each media outlet will set its own threshold for candidate participation, according to the RNC. Those thresholds will likely become more stringent as the primaries continue and the field of candidates is winnowed.
    Based on the idea of natural rights, government secures those rights to the individual by strictly negative intervention, making justice costless and easy of access; and beyond that it does not go. The State, on the other hand, both in its genesis and by its primary intention, is purely anti-social. It is not based on the idea of natural rights, but on the idea that the individual has no rights except those that the State may provisionally grant him. It has always made justice costly and difficult of access, and has invariably held itself above justice and common morality whenever it could advantage itself by so doing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucille View Post
    So, no objective criteria, and the networks decide. The government-media complex controls all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonhowe View Post
    Why is the debate in NH AFTER the NH primary??
    Very good question. Im seeing January 26th 2016 as the scheduled date.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucille View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by King Priebus
    "I'm trying to limit the opportunity we have to kill each other," RNC Chairman Reince Priebus told the Washington Post. "I've always tried to be a person that sells what I control. I don't like to sell things I don't control. I don't control people's mouths, that's for sure, but what I do control is the length of time we have to kill each other."

    Priebus said 2012 debates were "an embarrasment" and "ridiculous," and he vowed after the election to bring the debate process under a tighter yoke by the time 2016 came around.
    This guy needs to go. Never thought I'd want Steele back....

    That whole article is disturbing. RNC may as well just come out and say it will hand select (per their authoritarian new rules of course) the nominee and $#@! everyone else.
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    Why bother on watching it? its all scripted they already have their candidates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonhowe View Post
    Why is the debate in NH AFTER the NH primary??
    It will likely be within 72 hours of the Primary. Neither the date for the NH Primary nor the debate has been finalized. We might not know the NH Primary date for a couple months or so. The date has to be the first in the nation, by NH law. So if another state moves up, NH has to change the date.
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    Debates generally do not give good knowledge about the candidates.

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    No debates until August!? What am I going to do with myself....

    I for one am glad they are cutting the debates in half. In practical terms for the GOP, I concur with Priebus that there is less chance for the candidates to weaken each other. More importantly though, 24 debates was a lot when the Republicans were the only ones debating. Remember now that the Democrats will be having their own debates too in 2016.

    With not quite a dozen well thought-out events, people of all stripes will be able to sit in on something substantial while participating in their own lives or left/right politics. Candidates will have more of a chance to conduct their electoral strategies meeting with voters. It's a good thing people.
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    The new rules include stiff penalties aimed at forcing candidates to adhere to the prearranged debate schedule: any candidate who participates in a non-sanctioned debate would be banned from subsequent forums.
    Looking forward to the beautiful blowback and the end of GOP control of the debates!


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    Quote Originally Posted by RabbitMan View Post
    No debates until August!? What am I going to do with myself....

    I for one am glad they are cutting the debates in half. In practical terms for the GOP, I concur with Priebus that there is less chance for the candidates to weaken each other. More importantly though, 24 debates was a lot when the Republicans were the only ones debating. Remember now that the Democrats will be having their own debates too in 2016.

    With not quite a dozen well thought-out events, people of all stripes will be able to sit in on something substantial while participating in their own lives or left/right politics. Candidates will have more of a chance to conduct their electoral strategies meeting with voters. It's a good thing people.
    There were 21 GOP and 25 Dem debates in the 2008 cycle. This new plan, which will surely be adopted by the DNC too, will cut down debates to damn near worthless. This covers radio debates, one on one debates, and online. Read Lucille's article. Any candidate participating in any debate not sanctioned by the RNC will be BANNED from future debates. There will be 9, max 12, tv debates and that's it.
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    I think less is better, but would like to see more later in the primary where there are less candidates on stage.

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    I think less is better, but would like to see more later in the primary where there are less candidates on stage.



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    Quote Originally Posted by AngryCanadian View Post
    Why bother on watching it? its all scripted they already have their candidates.
    Yes, but every once in a while someone goes off script (think Ron vs Rudy in '08, or Rick Perry last year)
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    Let's see. So he doesn't want candidates to attack each other? But they can do that anyway on TV ads. In debates the playing field at least exists.* So basically this benefits candidates with a super war chest. Fewer debates also mean less time for the Rick Perrys of the world to put their foot in their mouth and implode before a national audience.

    Of course the side benefit is that with fewer debates more people will likely pay attention to the ones that happen.

    (I was about to say it was level, then I remembered how some moderators were complete jerks. Like the time Ron Paul was asked the question "Electability. Do you have any?" and that wasn't asked of candidates he was polling higher that).
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    I don't know, I think Rand will get Top Tier time in the debates as a Top Tier candidate, he is a big shot right no and even his biggest critics can't deny it.
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