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    Gun Grabbers re-branding, focusing on ballot initiatives

    Gun control by any other name
    http://www.voxday.blogspot.com/2015/...ther-name.html
    Would still stink of totalitarianism. Don't fall for the rebranding of gun control as "gun safety":

    The gun control movement, blocked in Congress and facing mounting losses in federal elections, is tweaking its name, refining its goals and using the same-sex marriage movement as a model to take the fight to voters on the state level.

    After a victory in November on a Washington State ballot measure that will require broader background checks on gun buyers, groups that promote gun regulations have turned away from Washington and the political races that have been largely futile. Instead, they are turning their attention — and their growing wallets — to other states that allow ballot measures.

    An initiative seeking stricter background checks for certain purchasers has already qualified for the 2016 ballot in Nevada, where such a law was passed last year by the Legislature then vetoed by the governor. Advocates of gun safety — the term many now use instead of “gun control” — are seeking lines on ballots in Arizona, Maine and Oregon as well.
    It's always pure deceitful rhetoric with the $#@!ing rabbits. Always. The fact that they've been roundly defeated for two decades just means that they'll rebrand, lie, and try again.

    And observe that giving their inch only encourages them to immediately go after the mile.
    In Washington, those who pushed the ballot measure through say they will begin a campaign to get the State Legislature to pass measures to keep guns from those with mental illnesses, children and people with a record of domestic violence.
    Never give them an inch. Never compromise. Never moderate. And always punch back twice as hard.
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    This is not good. Ballot wording always stresses something positive and innocent.
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    they're gunning it for our rights...(see what I did)

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    Even if 99% vote for it...."Shall not be infringed".
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClydeCoulter View Post
    Even if 99% vote for it...."Shall not be infringed".
    "Shall not be infringed" meanwhile in Washington...

    I get what you're going for, but ultimately, the gun-grabbers are going to be looking for some way to control and confiscate. And besides, they don't care about the "shall not be infringed" part there. They can't bring it through state legislatures? So, they go for the ballot initiatives. Those things are never written good.

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    “Gun safety”, isn’t that the little toggle lever equipped on the side of most firearms to prevent it from accidentally discharging?

    Seriously, though we need a counter-campaign to shut this debate down once and for all. Such as devising a nifty sounding phrase:


    Disparagement of our life, our liberty and our pursuits of happiness

    Civilian derogation

    Democidal proliferation

    ETA:

    My gun's safety: Is none of your damn business!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weston White View Post
    “Gun safety”, isn’t that the little toggle lever equipped on the side of most firearms to prevent it from accidentally discharging?

    Seriously, though we need a counter-campaign to shut this debate down once and for all. Such as devising a nifty sounding phrase:


    Disparagement of our life, our liberty and our pursuits of happiness

    Civilian derogation

    Democidal proliferation
    We begin to see why keeping terms like "safety" protected from definition degradation is such a good idea.

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    When the guy approached me he lied about the whole thing. The lie worked on some stupid female voter and she signed it. He was saying the Mexican gangs get thier guns from gun shows......he was a real POS. I called him out on his BS and he backed down a bit. Then asked me if I would sign a recrational pot initiative in a smart ass tone of voice. He was surprised when I said I just might. These paid signature grabbers are not telling the truth.
    "Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women; when it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it; no constitution, no law, no court can even do much to help it."
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    Quote Originally Posted by puppetmaster View Post
    When the guy approached me he lied about the whole thing. The lie worked on some stupid female voter and she signed it. He was saying the Mexican gangs get thier guns from gun shows......he was a real POS. I called him out on his BS and he backed down a bit. Then asked me if I would sign a recrational pot initiative in a smart ass tone of voice. He was surprised when I said I just might. These paid signature grabbers are not telling the truth.
    Eric Holder is Chicano? Wow, he had me totally fooled. Egg on my face.
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    Quote Originally Posted by puppetmaster View Post
    When the guy approached me he lied about the whole thing. The lie worked on some stupid female voter and she signed it. He was saying the Mexican gangs get thier guns from gun shows......he was a real POS. I called him out on his BS and he backed down a bit. Then asked me if I would sign a recrational pot initiative in a smart ass tone of voice. He was surprised when I said I just might. These paid signature grabbers are not telling the truth.
    Where Mexican gangs get their guns.



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    Quote Originally Posted by GunnyFreedom View Post
    We begin to see why keeping all terms like "safety" protected from definition degradation is such a good idea.
    Fixed that fer'ye.

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    And if they're going to use the same strategy as in WA, there will be some sort of mass shooting (probably fabricated by media) right before the vote is taken to bring over the fence-sitters and low info types. How do 2A advocates defend against that??? As puppetmaster demonstrated, those working to disarm have no qualms whatsoever about lying through their teeth.
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