Anyone else think Obama is an okay president?

[AuH20]

This is true. But at the end of the day, socialism and communism only lead to crony capitalism. Corpratism is what happens when you engage is socialism.

The job of the republicans is to make sure that the state is never rolled back. They are the false opposition that lives off corporate donations. The job of the democrats is move the ball down the field in large chunks (see New Deal, Great Society programs, Obamacare, etc.) with feel good platitudes that the gullible public consumes like candy.

[acptulsa]

The job of the Democrats is to make sure that the police state is never rolled back. They are the false opposition that lives off corporate donations. The job of the Republicans is move the ball down the field in large chunks (see War on Drugs, asset forfeiture, PATRIOT Act, etc.) with feel good platitudes that the gullible public consumes like candy.

FTFY

[AuH20]

Anyone remember these gems?

[Occam's Banana]

Do you think Bush and Cheney would have survived an IRS scandal? Utilizing the IRS to punish political opponents?

Yes. They would have.

At most, some flunkies/scapegoats would have lost their jobs. Nothing more.

They would have been impeached.

No. They wouldn't have.

Articles of impeachment must pass the US House of Representatives with a simple majority before being considered by the Senate, where conviction requires a 2/3rds "supermajority." Throughout the whole of the Bush presidency, the Republicans controlled the House (with the exception of the 110th Congress, 2007-2009), and they were never in the minority in the Senate.

IOW: Any attempted impeachments of Bush & Co. would have been DOA.

It would have been Watergate X 10.

No. It wouldn't have. Not even close ...

It would merely have been a quickly forgotten "scandal du jour" with the clichéd but obligatory "-gate" suffix appended to some word or other.

[Occam's Banana]

And the worst part is that he suckered so many into believing that he was the opposite of Dubya. That tells you what type of sociopath that we're dealing with. At least Bush told you what he was going to do and followed through on those atrocious policies.

You mean like when Bush told us his administration would pursue a "humble" foreign policy? Like that, you mean ... ?

[AuH20]

Got any more delusions you'd like to have cured?

I think you are forgetting something. Bush laid all his cards on the table with the WoT.

[AuH20]

FTFY

Who do you think got the U.S. involved in WW1? WW2? Who created the OSS? The CIA? The FBI? They didn't just spontaneously appear out of thin air. The democrats have owned the last century with their willing lapdogs the republicans. Their hands are all over everything.

[acptulsa]

I think you are forgetting something. Bush laid all his cards on the table with the WoT.

Funny. I thought Neil Bush's involvement in WTC7 and the explanation of why Cheney called off the Air Force on 9/11 were a couple of aces Dubya still has securely hidden in his sleeve to this very day. I figure the truth about Iraq's tons of yellowcake uranium would be, too, if the MSM hadn't decided it was too silly a lie to tie their credibility to.

Who do you think got the U.S. involved in WW1? WW2? Who created the OSS? The CIA? The FBI? They didn't just spontaneously appear out of thin air. The democrats have owned the last century with their willing lapdogs the republicans. Their hands are all over everything.

You act like I said that anything you said about the Establishment Wing of the Democratic Party was untrue. I did no such thing. I simply pointed out that your assertions that the Establishment Wing of the Republican Party is anything other than the reverse of the exact same coin is delusional.

And I stand by that.

Why the hell would the powers that be settle for pushing their agenda only half the time, when by setting up this party as the false protectors of these liberties and that party as the false protectors of those liberties, they can keep half the program going all of the time?

[AuH20]

You act like I said that anything you said about the Establishment Wing of the Democratic Party was untrue. I did no such thing. I simply pointed out that your assertions that the Establishment Wing of the Republican Party is anything other than the reverse of the exact same coin is delusional.

And I stand by that.

Who said they were reverse? I'm simply saying that in terms of historical crimes perpetrated on this country, the democrat party has dominated that side of the ledger due to immense political clout. They are the preferred vehicle for domination by the elites since the transformation is done on a much quicker and massive scale. Conversely, the dividends are far less smaller on the other side, even with the cover of "small government."

[acptulsa]

Who said they were reverse? I'm simply saying that in terms of historical crimes perpetrated on this country, the democrat party has dominated that side of the ledger due to immense political clout. They are the preferred vehicle for domination by the elites since the transformation is done on a much quicker and massive scale. There is no big win, even with the cover of "small government."

Do you, despite all the truth you've been exposed to here over the last five years, seriously believe the tripe you spew to the effect that either the Republican Party is still something Calvin Coolidge would even recognize, much less claim, or that the fact that the Democratic Party was already a tool of creeping tyranny during Coolidge's lifetime somehow excuses the Establishment Wing of the Republican Party for being a tool of tyranny now?

[AuH20]

Do you, despite all the truth you've been exposed to here over the last five years, seriously believe the tripe you spew to the effect that either the Republican Party is still something Calvin Coolidge would even recognize, much less claim, or that the fact that the Democratic Party was already a tool of creeping tyranny during Coolidge's lifetime somehow excuses the Establishment Wing of the Republican Party for being a tool of tyranny now?

No, of course not. However, the republican party is not the preferred vehicle for change when you can just jump onto the proverbial Autobahn with the Democrats. Historically, there has been a natural intransigence in the grassroots of the Republican party which makes things harder to get done.

[acptulsa]

No, of course not. However, the republican party is not the preferred vehicle for change when you can just jump onto the proverbial Autobahn with the Democrats. Historically, there has been a natural intransigence in the grassroots of the Republican party which makes things harder to get done.

I don't recall the naturally intransigent wing of the Republican Party slowing the PATRIOT Act and the creation of the DHS down one whit more than the naturally intransigent wing of the Democratic Party slowed down the creation of the Department of Education. But they did try. Perhaps you just think one of these is louder than the other because you've been close enough to hear the one, but was never in the right place at the right time to hear the other.

One thing's certain. The MSM never willingly told Democrats about the intransigent souls you know, any more than it told you about the intransigent souls you don't know.

[Brian4Liberty]

Some of those are contradictory. Marxism and crony capitalism, for example. Marx thoroughly disliked crony capitalism-"Capitalism" is his word for bourgeois corporatists. See Das Kapital, for example.

Would you prefer Leninism or neo Marxism or progressive Marxism? Modern Marxism has evolved a bit since Karl Marx. Look at China and Vietnam. Authoritarian Marxism is quite happy to utilize crony corporatism. And that is the model for American Marxists like Obama.

[Weston White]

At least with the Bush administration, they mostly straight-talked you, and in a truly moronic fashion, leaving you absolutely little doubt as to their intentions, but here with the Soetoro (i.e., "Obama") administration they are an outright psychological operation, taking gaslighting and astroturfing to an entirely new level, leaving you feeling dirty inside, hopeless, and dumbfounded by the end of the day.

ETA:

Whereas, Bush is comparable to an eel, Soetoro is comparable to an octopus.

[ZENemy]

I heard Ted Bundy was "one of the nicest guys Ive ever met"


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