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    oils prices are down forever!!!!!......??????

    why do they even write things like this? dont they know that this recent drop is just blip on the over all radar? oil will go back up! its mostly manipulated by any and all excuses the gov and oil execs can throw at us. the pipeline is still on....smh

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    Saudi Arabia is purposefully keeping prices low. The smart money says they are doing that to kill shale oil and tar sand oil. So oil prices don't have to stay down forever. They just have to stay down long enough for investment in these projects to not make sense. It's a global game of economic chicken.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Saudi Arabia is purposefully keeping prices low. The smart money says they are doing that to kill shale oil and tar sand oil. So oil prices don't have to stay down forever. They just have to stay down long enough for investment in these projects to not make sense. It's a global game of economic chicken.
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    So nobody on this site is going to recognize that QE purchases stopped two months prior to oil prices going down?

    On this site?
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    Not forever, only until Russia is taught a lesson by Arab dictators/Zionist/ISIS types anti-Syria jihadi alliance. This is old formula from days of US/Israel/Saudi supported Afghan Jihads of 1980s that helped crack USSR / acclerated Russian aliyah.

    Russian rouble suffers steepest drop in 16 years
    By Alexander Winning and Vladimir Abramov
    MOSCOW Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:43am EST
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/12/16/us-russia-rouble-exchange-idUSKBN0JU0KO20141216





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    Quote Originally Posted by fisharmor View Post
    So nobody on this site is going to recognize that QE purchases stopped two months prior to oil prices going down?

    On this site?
    I did!
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    Quote Originally Posted by fisharmor View Post
    So nobody on this site is going to recognize that QE purchases stopped two months prior to oil prices going down?

    On this site?
    Fill us in. This is the police abuse forum now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    Not forever, only until Russia is taught a lesson by Arab dictators/Zionist/ISIS types anti-Syria jihadi alliance. This is old formula from days of US/Israel/Saudi supported Afghan Jihads of 1980s that helped crack USSR / acclerated Russian aliyah.

    Russian rouble suffers steepest drop in 16 years
    By Alexander Winning and Vladimir Abramov
    MOSCOW Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:43am EST
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/12/16/us-russia-rouble-exchange-idUSKBN0JU0KO20141216





    Saudi Arabia seems to have forgotten the past empires and fascists tried to bring Russia with this no one successfully did. This wont bring Russia down.

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    I could potentially see Russia & the US going at it militarily with Saudi Arabia as the battleground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by muh_roads View Post
    I could potentially see Russia & the US going at it militarily with Saudi Arabia as the battleground.
    only after all other options are exhausted. It's very early in the game. Many more moves are to come.... The Anglo-American establishment was not going to lie down and let the BRICS simply take what they delicately built up over the last 100 years. A thief simply does not give it up it's plunder voluntarily.
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    Quote Originally Posted by muh_roads View Post
    Fill us in. This is the police abuse forum now.
    Ron Paul has been saying forever that the price of oil mirrors fed monetary policy.
    When they pump tons of cash into the economy, everyone has more money, so everyone wants more money to part with things they value. Basic supply and demand... only nobody on the radio ever admits that money itself is subject to the law of supply and demand.

    When they take money out of the system, everyone has less, and so will settle for less of it to part with things they value.

    I don't know whether they're taking money out yet, but they've at least stopped pumping money in. Here we are two months later and everyone has kind of figured out that the dollar isn't going to be worth a whole lot less a month from now, so prices have stabilized.

    Silver is also down almost to $15 from a January price of $20.

    Other things to consider are
    1) The overall tendency of the market is always to LOWER prices.

    2) Sure, there might be downward pressure from suppliers - because when a good or service is wicked expensive the natural tendency for the providers thereof is to get as much of it out to market as they can. I'd bet that if you look at production figures you'd see that they tend to ramp up production when oil is expensive and throttle it back when it's not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fisharmor View Post
    Ron Paul has been saying forever that the price of oil mirrors fed monetary policy.
    When they pump tons of cash into the economy, everyone has more money, so everyone wants more money to part with things they value. Basic supply and demand... only nobody on the radio ever admits that money itself is subject to the law of supply and demand.

    When they take money out of the system, everyone has less, and so will settle for less of it to part with things they value.

    I don't know whether they're taking money out yet, but they've at least stopped pumping money in. Here we are two months later and everyone has kind of figured out that the dollar isn't going to be worth a whole lot less a month from now, so prices have stabilized.

    Silver is also down almost to $15 from a January price of $20.

    Other things to consider are
    1) The overall tendency of the market is always to LOWER prices.

    2) Sure, there might be downward pressure from suppliers - because when a good or service is wicked expensive the natural tendency for the providers thereof is to get as much of it out to market as they can. I'd bet that if you look at production figures you'd see that they tend to ramp up production when oil is expensive and throttle it back when it's not.
    What I don't understand is how the dollar can be gaining so much value with oil dropping so hard? I thought the 'petrodollar' pegged the two together?

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    Quote Originally Posted by muh_roads View Post
    What I don't understand is how the dollar can be gaining so much value with oil dropping so hard? I thought the 'petrodollar' pegged the two together?
    The "petrodollar" is the currency (us dollars) which is used to buy and sell Saudi oil.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrodollar

    The only difference between a petrodollar and a regular dollar is that the petrodollars don't really make it back inside the US and therefore aren't a normal part of circulating currency.
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    ^^ Beat me to it.
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    From another thread:

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Several weeks ago, when oil prices started to drop a bit, one of the corporatist shills employed over at CNBC reacted in dismay. "What will happen to the oil companies? Will the energy sector drop? They employ a lot of people, dropping oil prices could destroy the economy."

    Of course they conveniently forget about the burden of increased energy costs on pretty much every other area of the economy.
    Back in October, the shills on CNBC started this propaganda. Now it has spread into being some kind of "fact" to the leftists and Wall St shills.
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    Oil industry has a rich history of boom/ bust cycles.

    Prices rise, people jump in to make some quick money. Supply surges. Eventually there is too much supply and prices drop. Producers drop out. Supplies fall. Then prices rise to start it all over again.

    One of the conditions the US has put on oil leases is that the owner must exercise it (drill for oil) or lose it to somebody else (to keep companies from buying them up just to keep competition away). Between that and the money they already have invested and don't want to walk away from, we should not see a sudden drop in US oil production though it it continues, there will be fewer new ones started up.
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    Great interview with Marin Katusa, Chief Energy Investment Strategist Casey Research.



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    The Saudis are waging war against their competition here in America but also the Iranians and Russians for political reasons. They'll profit big time when they drive their competition out of business and pull the rug out on these cheap prices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fisharmor View Post
    The "petrodollar" is the currency (us dollars) which is used to buy and sell Saudi oil.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrodollar

    The only difference between a petrodollar and a regular dollar is that the petrodollars don't really make it back inside the US and therefore aren't a normal part of circulating currency.
    Makes sense. The King's and Prince's drift around in their gold plated cars while the people eat $#@!. I wonder how much of the 18 trillion debt has flooded their markets?

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    Quote Originally Posted by muh_roads View Post
    Fill us in. This is the police abuse forum now.
    lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by muh_roads View Post
    Makes sense. The King's and Prince's drift around in their gold plated cars while the people eat $#@!. I wonder how much of the 18 trillion debt has flooded their markets?
    The Saudi's are responsible for everything that happens in the U.S. I firmly believe Obozo is their right hand man. The Saudi's were responsible for 9/11 and pretty much control all governmental actions in the U.S. Hell, one of their Princes owns a portion of FOX news. Thus the reason Obozo is steering us straight into a Saudi dictatorship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by muh_roads View Post
    Makes sense. The King's and Prince's drift around in their gold plated cars while the people eat $#@!. I wonder how much of the 18 trillion debt has flooded their markets?
    I gotta be honest with you, if you were a citizen born in one of those oil baron countries, you would be disgustingly wealthy by virtue of just having popped out of your mother and qualifying for party bags full of imaginable kind of handout.

    Those citizens are loaded and the tyrants keep them that way to keep themselves in power. The imported foreign workers on the other hand are probably way worse off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fisharmor View Post
    So nobody on this site is going to recognize that QE purchases stopped two months prior to oil prices going down?

    On this site?
    Do you think it's all because of QE stopping? I don't see how prices will fall with the stoppage of QE, at least not in the long run. I would think the Fed would need to unwind QE to make prices fall. Bottom line is that I think that this decline is temporary. I think Saudi Arabia is causing some of this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dianne View Post
    The Saudi's are responsible for everything that happens in the U.S. I firmly believe Obozo is their right hand man. The Saudi's were responsible for 9/11 and pretty much control all governmental actions in the U.S. Hell, one of their Princes owns a portion of FOX news. Thus the reason Obozo is steering us straight into a Saudi dictatorship.
    I thought Israel ran the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    I thought Israel ran the US.
    Family dynasties run the world. Not all of them friendly with each other. And some associate together in tribes.

    Jews certainly do not associate with coloreds.
    Chinese have their own racism.
    And so on.

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    And all members of a group are exactly like all the other members of that group. Yeah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MRK View Post
    I gotta be honest with you, if you were a citizen born in one of those oil baron countries, you would be disgustingly wealthy by virtue of just having popped out of your mother and qualifying for party bags full of imaginable kind of handout.

    Those citizens are loaded and the tyrants keep them that way to keep themselves in power. The imported foreign workers on the other hand are probably way worse off.
    Importing and abusing cheap labor? Why didn't we think of that! Oh, hold on...
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    Not for forever... i don't think so... yes it will go down more... but will be up by February... my estimation..!!!

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