Did we abandon our values in order to save our values (CIA torture report)
Regarding the CIA torture report, one question that should be asked to those who support torture... did we abandon our values of treating our prisoners humanely, giving them due process, and upholding the rule of law in order to save our values?
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"A politician will do almost anything to keep their job, even become a patriot" - Hearst
"We" didn't abandon anything. What happened is: some morons filled out a job application, became "government" and started torturing people for fun.
Last edited by ZENemy; 12-10-2014 at 08:12 AM.
"One thing my years in Washington taught me is that most politicians are followers, not leaders. Therefore we should not waste time and resources trying to educate politicians. Politicians will not support individual liberty and limited government unless and until they are forced to do so by the people," says Ron Paul."
anyone involved in torture needs to be brought up in front of a Grand Jury.....
wait....trying to stifle a laugh...
No, they abandoned our values for money and power, then tried to spin it.
Originally Posted by Swordsmyth
John Kiriakou is in jail.
On January 23, 2012, Kiriakou was charged with repeatedly disclosing classified information to journalists, including the name of a covert CIA officer and information revealing the role of another CIA employee, Deuce Martinez, in classified activities.[23][24][25] In addition to leaking the names and roles of CIA officers, Kiriakou was alleged to have lied to the CIA to get his book published.[26]
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Starting on September 12, 2012, the District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia conducted closed Classified Information Procedures Act hearings in Kirikaou's case.[31] On Monday, October 22, 2012, he agreed to plead guilty to one count of passing classified information to the media thereby violating the Intelligence Identities Protection Act; his plea deal spared journalists from testifying in a trial
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In June 2013, Kiriakou wrote an open "Letter From Loretto" to Edward Snowden expressing his support and giving advice, including "the most important advice that I can offer, DO NOT, under any circumstances, cooperate with the FBI"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kiriakou
these idiots put all of us in danger over this.
Make no mistake, its all a strategy to perpetuate conflict. To spend more on 'security'...more money for weapons.
Someone at the top knows how to boost the bottomline for the MIC...
Yeah, and in Viet Nam they destroyed the villages to save them. Still just the same old phony BS doublethink and doubletalk.
Vietnam was a weapons testing program.
Not to the Americans just thrown away for nothing, there.
Rockwell:
Some of the public jokesters are claiming that torture violates “American values,” by which they mean the values of the US State. What are those values? Endless murder, theft, redistriution, incarceration, coercion, lying, and–yes–torture, to name just a few.
Who's kidding who here? Abuse of power IS "our values".
“They” hate for our freedoms so they kill us; and in turn “we” revoke the freedoms of our very own citizens, while obliging those very citizens to fund their continued torturing so as to obtain life saving information. Right… And this all is working out so very well.
“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding one’s self in the ranks of the insane.” — Marcus Aurelius
“They’re not buying it. CNN, you dumb bastards!” — President Trump 2020
Consilio et Animis de Oppresso Liber
What are our values?
As of today, Represenatives of US voters/Congress/leaders without any shame support/fund oppression/occupation abroad .
As of few decades ago, 'dogs and blacks not allowed' / 'dogs and jews not allowed' signs were visible in America. We were injecting people of color in south America with STD viruses for experimentation.
Our value voters have elected a half-white/half-black man (who apparently deems it ok to drone teenage Americans/non-American colored children) as show of progress.
This is a foreign policy centric thread, so I think above question is fair to examine our values.
Last edited by enhanced_deficit; 12-10-2014 at 11:46 AM.
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