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Thread: Killing a person – all is well. Not using violence to resolve a situation – fired.

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    Killing a person – all is well. Not using violence to resolve a situation – fired.

    Seaside, CA — A 20 year veteran of the CSU Monterey Bay police force, was given a notice of termination this week for choosing NOT to immediately resort to violent escalation during a confrontation with a suicidal student.

    The unidentified officer was the first one on the scene when responding to an incident involving a suicidal college student in his CSUMB dorm room in February of this year. The officer showed an heartening level of restraint when dealing with a student, who was in his room with a knife and hammer, and was also threatening to light himself on fire.

    “He was clearly a danger to himself and he was in crisis,” Marina Police Chief Edmundo Rodriguez said. “We were trying to keep him from accessing the weapons or leave, to get him medical attention.”

    Instead of immediately resorting to violence, this officer was talking the student down and de-escalating the situation. The officer was successful in calming the student down and was going to get him a glass of water when the Marina police department showed up, and immediately began tasering the student.

    The campus officer refused to taser the student, as he did not perceive a threat. Subsequently Rodriguez’s department later issued a “failure to act” complaint against the campus officer, accusing him of not engaging in a “highly agitated situation.”

    “It defies logic and is extremely disappointing that, at a time when law enforcement is under fire for using more force than necessary, an officer is being terminated for attempting to use civilized methods to resolve a situation,” the student’s father said.

    “Our officer did not believe he was any threat at all,” said Jeff Solomon, the union’s president.

    “The other officers started yelling and screaming to get down, Tased him multiple times, and from what we understand (told the university officer) to Tase him again,” Solomon said.

    The officer has been on paid leave since April according to his attorney who said she will now file a lawsuit against the university.

    “We believe the officer in this case exercised restraint and good judgment in not tasing a student that was suffering from mental health issues,” said the officer’s attorney Kathleen Storm.

    This incident highlights the sick and twisted state of today’s police force. Darren Wilson shot and killed an unarmed teenager, and was not fired. Officer Daniel Pantaleo of the NYPD, placed Eric Garner in a chokehold, a maneuver which has been prohibited by the department since 1993, eventually killing the man. The entire incident was caught on video and Pantaleo was not fired.

    This campus officer chose to use non-violence to try and resolve a situation, instead of killing or maiming a person, and he is being fired for it.

    Precedent set: Killing a person – all is well. Not using violence to resolve a situation – fired. Let that sink in.

    “The State represents violence in a concentrated and organized form. The individual has a soul, but as the State is a soulless machine, it can never be weaned from violence to which it owes its very existence.” -Mahatma Gandhi
    Read more at http://thefreethoughtproject.com/ca-...AwYjK1MikzF.99



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    Instead of immediately resorting to violence, this officer was talking the student down and de-escalating the situation. The officer was successful in calming the student down and was going to get him a glass of water when the Marina police department showed up, and immediately began tasering the student.
    Circular Force Continuum.

    Avoid cops at all costs.

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    Well there you have it, procedures were not followed. Punish the one good cop so he either quits or joins the abusers.
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    Boobus: Oh it's department policy. End of story.

    Somehow we have to make "Change department policy," a rallying call.

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    A case of good judgment, but a sad "bad policy" reward. [shakes head from side to side]

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    I mentioned before in another thread. I believe (percentages are rough):

    10% of cops are psychopaths.
    40% of cops are varying degrees of bullies.
    30% are normal but stay quietly behind the blue wall.
    20% "Good Cops" try to do the right thing, but their numbers continue to shrink because they get disgusted with the system or removed from the force.




    And now we see in plain view what happens to the "good Cops" who try to do the right thing. So if the good apples are terminated what is left in the bushel?


    And way to REINFORCE BEHAVIOR! That cop got fired for not taking out the kid, you think other cops who are on the fence about the situation got the message???



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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    The injured party should take his employer to court. It would be interesting to see what would come out in testimony regarding the justifications for terminating his employment.
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    Do the widespread breaches of constitutionally guaranteed civil liberties by cops across the U.S. make federal intervention a constitutionally legal and appropriate response?
    Last edited by anaconda; 12-09-2014 at 04:40 AM.

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    SMDH

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