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    December 7, 1941: A Date Which Will Live In Infamy


    December 7, 1941: A Date Which Will Live In Infamy

    Charles Burris

    “Court Historians” are the intellectual bodyguards of the State. They shape and defend the “official line” or interpretation on the State’s wars, its presidential regimes, or other key historical events and public policies. As a result they enjoy high esteem and recognition in the mainstream media and academia. As defenders of the status quo they frequently attack and label their critics as “conspiracy theorists,” “revisionists,” “isolationists,” “appeasers,” “anti-intellectuals,” or other boogie men, rather than engage in civil discourse or discussion.

    As the late economist/historian Murray N. Rothbard noted:

    All States are governed by a ruling class that is a minority of the population, and which subsists as a parasitic and exploitative burden upon the rest of society. Since its rule is exploitative and parasitic, the State must purchase the alliance of a group of “Court Intellectuals,” whose task is to bamboozle the public into accepting and celebrating the rule of its particular State. The Court Intellectuals have their work cut out for them. In exchange for their continuing work of apologetics and bamboozlement, the Court Intellectuals win their place as junior partners in the power, prestige, and loot extracted by the State apparatus from the deluded public. The noble task of Revisionism is to de-bamboozle: to penetrate the fog of lies and deception of the State and its Court Intellectuals, and to present to the public the true history of the motivation, the nature, and the consequences of State activity. By working past the fog of State deception to penetrate to the truth, to the reality behind the false appearances, the Revisionist works to delegitimize, to desanctify, the State in the eyes of the previously deceived public.

    The thirty items listed here addressing the December 7, 1941 Japanese attack upon Pearl Harbor which precipitated America’s formal intervention into the Second World War are by noted critics of the official “establishment consensus” point of view as well as by hagiographic “court historians.”


    9:54 am on December 6, 2014

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    How unoriginal.

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...earl+arrogance

    There are so many more that could have been bumped where that one came from. And still I say that anyone who underestimates the power of American arrogance to get the U.S. into trouble unintentionally isn't paying attention.

    As for the fact that things worked out for FDR and the military, well, they were bound to one way or another. That die was cast when the Treaty of Versailles passed.
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    We believe our lying eyes...

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    With the benefit of 20/20 hindsight, I think letting Germany and Russia just go at it to mutual annihilation has a lot of appeal.


    FDR the Red, would NEVER have allowed that to happen.

    http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHART.../6315/fdr.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin Truth View Post
    With the benefit of 20/20 hindsight, I think letting Germany and Russia just go at it to mutual annihilation has a lot of appeal.
    History thought is schools is...statist, false, biased and the list goes on.


    Russias military production was bigger that Germanys during the war. Thery had more manpower, more resources bigger teritory, yada, yada, yada. Hitler couldnt defeat Britain and he will annihilate Russia?
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    Quote Originally Posted by orenbus View Post
    If I had to answer this question truthfully I'd probably piss a lot of people off lol, Barrex would be a better person to ask he doesn't seem to care lol.


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    December 7 ... A day that will live in infamy. (it's my birthday)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barrex View Post
    History thought is schools is...statist, false, biased and the list goes on.


    Russias military production was bigger that Germanys during the war. Thery had more manpower, more resources bigger teritory, yada, yada, yada. Hitler couldnt defeat Britain and he will annihilate Russia?
    Yep, he almost did. US Lenin-Lease saved their bacon (and the western/southern war fronts.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by cajuncocoa View Post
    December 7 ... A day that will live in infamy. (it's my birthday)
    Happy Birthday, Sag.

    My wife's is the 13th.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barrex View Post
    Russias military production was bigger that Germanys during the war. Thery had more manpower, more resources bigger teritory, yada, yada, yada. Hitler couldnt defeat Britain and he will annihilate Russia?
    Does building plywood fighter planes to go up against aluminum fighters really count as increased production? And the Soviet Union was surrounded by a moat--a moat infested with what was at the beginning of the war the world's most fearsome navy--as Britain was?

    More manpower? Really? No--not even if you discount the Soviet women in uniform.
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    We believe our lying eyes...



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    Quote Originally Posted by cajuncocoa View Post
    December 7 ... A day that will live in infamy. (it's my birthday)
    Yay!!! Happy birthday!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin Truth View Post
    Happy Birthday, Sag.

    My wife's is the 13th.
    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    Yay!!! Happy birthday!!!

    Thanks, y'all! Didn't mean to derail the thread, but the whole "day of infamy" thing is something I can never resist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin Truth View Post
    Yep, he almost did. US Lenin-Lease saved their bacon (and the western/southern war fronts.)
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Does building plywood fighter planes to go up against aluminum fighters really count as increased production? And the Soviet Union was surrounded by a moat--a moat infested with what was at the beginning of the war the world's most fearsome navy--as Britain was?

    More manpower? Really? No--not even if you discount the Soviet women in uniform.
    They (Russians) had more manpower, more resources bigger territory, yada, yada, yada. Russian population was twice of Germanys. How many more tanks did Rusia produce compared to Germans? 2 or 3 times more. Germany was already stretched and in was with UK. Partisans were rising in every country that Germany liberated/occupied....

    Russians didnt have a moat but they did have "Russian winter" and largest country in the world with all natural resources that they possibly can need.

    Not all aircrafts were made of playwood. Germans and British had wooden planes too. Had to google it... since i am history freak...
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    Quote Originally Posted by orenbus View Post
    If I had to answer this question truthfully I'd probably piss a lot of people off lol, Barrex would be a better person to ask he doesn't seem to care lol.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Barrex View Post
    They (Russians) had more manpower, more resources bigger territory, yada, yada, yada. Russian population was twice of Germanys. How many more tanks did Rusia produce compared to Germans? 2 or 3 times more. Germany was already stretched and in was with UK. Partisans were rising in every country that Germany liberated/occupied....

    Russians didnt have a moat but they did have "Russian winter" and largest country in the world with all natural resources that they possibly can need.

    Not all aircrafts were made of playwood. Germans and British had wooden planes too. Had to google it... since i am history freak...
    Germany is just about the size of Missouri, and look at all the trouble they gave us, and the Brits, while also giving hell to the USSR. Stalin had already killed off most of his best military officers in his idiotic purges.
    Last edited by Ronin Truth; 12-07-2014 at 03:20 PM.

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    Did FDR Provoke Pearl Harbor?

    By Patrick J. Buchanan

    December 9, 2014

    On Dec. 8, 1941, Franklin Roosevelt took the rostrum before a joint session of Congress to ask for a declaration of war on Japan.
    A day earlier, at dawn, carrier-based Japanese aircraft had launched a sneak attack devastating the U.S. battle fleet at Pearl Harbor.
    Said ex-President Herbert Hoover, Republican statesman of the day, “We have only one job to do now, and that is to defeat Japan.”
    But to friends, “the Chief” sent another message: “You and I know that this continuous putting pins in rattlesnakes finally got this country bit.”

    Today, 70 years after Pearl Harbor, a remarkable secret history, written from 1943 to 1963, has come to light. It is Hoover’s explanation of what happened before, during and after the world war that may prove yet the death knell of the West.

    Edited by historian George Nash, “Freedom Betrayed: Herbert Hoover’s History of the Second World War and Its Aftermath” is a searing indictment of FDR and the men around him as politicians who lied prodigiously about their desire to keep America out of war, even as they took one deliberate step after another to take us into war.

    Yet the book is no polemic. The 50-page run-up to the war in the Pacific uses memoirs and documents from all sides to prove Hoover’s indictment. And perhaps the best way to show the power of this book is the way Hoover does it — chronologically, painstakingly, week by week.

    Consider Japan’s situation in the summer of 1941. Bogged down in a four year war in China she could neither win nor end, having moved into French Indochina, Japan saw herself as near the end of her tether.

    Inside the government was a powerful faction led by Prime Minister Prince Fumimaro Konoye that desperately did not want a war with the United States.

    The “pro-Anglo-Saxon” camp included the navy, whose officers had fought alongside the U.S. and Royal navies in World War I, while the war party was centered on the army, Gen. Hideki Tojo and Foreign Minister Yosuke Matsuoka, a bitter anti-American.

    On July 18, 1941, Konoye ousted Matsuoka, replacing him with the “pro-Anglo-Saxon” Adm. Teijiro Toyoda.

    The U.S. response: On July 25, we froze all Japanese assets in the United States, ending all exports and imports, and denying Japan the oil upon which the nation and empire depended.

    Stunned, Konoye still pursued his peace policy by winning secret support from the navy and army to meet FDR on the U.S. side of the Pacific to hear and respond to U.S. demands.

    U.S. Ambassador Joseph Grew implored Washington not to ignore Konoye’s offer, that the prince had convinced him an agreement could be reached on Japanese withdrawal from Indochina and South and Central China. Out of fear of Mao’s armies and Stalin’s Russia, Tokyo wanted to hold a buffer in North China.

    On Aug. 28, Japan’s ambassador in Washington presented FDR a personal letter from Konoye imploring him to meet.
    Tokyo begged us to keep Konoye’s offer secret, as the revelation of a Japanese prime minister’s offering to cross the Pacific to talk to an American president could imperil his government.

    On Sept. 3, the Konoye letter was leaked to the Herald-Tribune.

    On Sept. 6, Konoye met again at a three-hour dinner with Grew to tell him Japan now agreed with the four principles the Americans were demanding as the basis for peace. No response.

    On Sept. 29, Grew sent what Hoover describes as a “prayer” to the president not to let this chance for peace pass by.

    On Sept. 30, Grew wrote Washington, “Konoye’s warship is ready waiting to take him to Honolulu, Alaska or anyplace designated by the president.”

    No response. On Oct. 16, Konoye’s cabinet fell.

    In November, the U.S. intercepted two new offers from Tokyo: a Plan A for an end to the China war and occupation of Indochina and, if that were rejected, a Plan B, a modus vivendi where neither side would make any new move. When presented, these, too, were rejected out of hand.

    At a Nov. 25 meeting of FDR’s war council, Secretary of War Henry Stimson’s notes speak of the prevailing consensus: “The question was how we should maneuver them (the Japanese) into … firing the first shot without allowing too much danger to ourselves.”

    “We can wipe the Japanese off the map in three months,” wrote Navy Secretary Frank Knox
    .
    As Grew had predicted, Japan, a “hara-kiri nation,” proved more likely to fling herself into national suicide for honor than to allow herself to be humiliated

    Out of the war that arose from the refusal to meet Prince Konoye came scores of thousands of U.S. dead, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, the fall of China to Mao Zedong, U.S. wars in Korea and Vietnam, and the rise of a new arrogant China that shows little respect for the great superpower of yesterday.

    If you would know the history that made our world, spend a week with Mr. Hoover’s book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZJoe View Post
    and not even American territory at the time - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaii...0.93present.29



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