Obama: The only people with the right to object to immigration are Native Americans

[Brian4Liberty]

Obama: The only people with the right to object to immigration are Native Americans*

Some people oppose or support more immigration mostly for the perceived benefit to their cultural, ethnic or racial group. Obama probably fits into that category, in addition to the leftist political motivations.

[juleswin]

Yet another example of bad government policy. I'm pretty sure that if people had the right to defend their own property along the border than we also wouldn't have the "War on Drugs" which would pretty much put the drug cartels out of business making them a non issue.

I don't quite get this line of thinking. Is it that farmers will use their private property to grow weed, cocaine, heroine etc and sell it cheaply which will then drive the drug cartels out of business or that the farmers who have no financial incentive to confront this people will somehow put the drug cartels out of business by blocking their movement? And the reason why the drug cartels are outgunning the farmers is that they a bigger financial gain by trying to transport the drugs than the farmer has by trying to stop them. Its so one sided that its not even funny.

The truth is, the drug war exists because the federal government is fighting a war on drugs and it ends when they declare its over. Private property has very little to do with it when they govt can still arrest and throw you in jail for possessing drugs.

[acptulsa]

All I know is, for an elected official in a republic to tell the citizens--also known as his bosses--which among them has the right to complain about his policies is beyond presumptuous and beyond wrong.

It almost makes me believe in requiring tests to get a voting license. If you believe crap like this, you aren't fit to help run this republic.

[Brian4Liberty]

And therein lies the problem.

Just like Massholes, "half backs", and states that get Californicated, people from a $#@!hole show up, to escape said $#@!hole, only to immediately start undoing everything at the place they just moved to, turning it into a mirror image of the $#@!hole they just escaped from.

It is human nature, to want the familiar around you, no matter how bad it is.

And it's ironic that most of them can't see that. It's their own political beliefs that create a situation where they no longer want to live in a place. Those negative conditions usually consist of overcrowding, high taxes and high prices. One might surmise that their support for migration stems more from their desire to flee places that they themselves have destroyed. Maybe it is just human nature, and maybe humans really evolved from locusts...

[presence]

All I know is, for an elected official in a republic to tell the citizens--also known as his bosses--which among them has the right to complain about his policies is beyond presumptuous and beyond wrong.

It almost makes me believe in requiring tests to get a voting license. If you believe crap like this, you aren't fit to help run this republic.

All I know is if anyone thinks the government grants citizenship then they have it backwards.

Citizenship is declared by the individual.
Subjectship is declared by the state.

[otherone]

One might surmise that their support for migration stems more from their desire to flee places that they themselves have destroyed. Maybe it is just human nature, and maybe humans really evolved from locusts...

How is it that it's the oligarchs who are destroying our country, but it's the mundanes that are destroying theirs?

[Southron]

We had immigrants from communist Russia and east Europe come to the country and they did not transplant their communist and socialist loving ways. The same applies other immigrants.

Sure, not all of them transplanted their ways, but I notice a pattern of growth in the government in the early 20th Century, which was preceded by massive immigration, especially from Germany.

Whatever we may think of our British ancestors, we largely inherited our system of government from them. If this country had been largely founded by any other group of immigrants, I doubt we would have ever had a constitutional republic.

[presence]

The only people with the right to object to immigration are Lords and their Subjects.

[Dr.3D]

What immigration? People who enter the country illegally are not immigrants, they are criminals.

[Voluntarist]

xxxxx

[otherone]

Obama: The only people with the right to object to immigration are Native Americans

Is Mr. Obama telling me I'm not a native American?

SWEET ...I AM SOOOOO OUTTA HERE

[Dr.3D]

Maybe he wasn't born a native American after all.

[staerker]

It's funny how Obama once ridiculed using the Bible as inspiration for national policy but he harps on one part of the Bible to support his agenda.

Hmm? One man's incompetence does not excuse us all.

[Ender]

Sure, not all of them transplanted their ways, but I notice a pattern of growth in the government in the early 20th Century, which was preceded by massive immigration, especially from Germany.

Whatever we may think of our British ancestors, we largely inherited our system of government from them. If this country had been largely founded by any other group of immigrants, I doubt we would have ever had a constitutional republic.

The Constitution and the Republic idea came from the Iroquois Nation and not the Brits.

[Brian4Liberty]

We had immigrants from communist Russia and east Europe come to the country and they did not transplant their communist and socialist loving ways.

Communism, socialism and big government ideas (and people with those ideas) have been continuously imported to America since the days when Karl Marx was writing for the New York Daily Tribune in the mid 1800s.

[acptulsa]

Communism, socialism and big government ideas (and people with those ideas) have been continuously imported to America since the days when Karl Marx was writing for the New York Daily Tribune in the mid 1800s.

Seems the main thing we have to fear from immigration these days, other than the obvious fact that there are fewer jobs for them to steal than ever before, is...

'There are among us a great mass of people who have been reared for generations under a government of tyranny and oppression. It is ingrained in their blood that there is no other form of government. They are disposed and inclined to think our institutions partake of the same nature as these they have left behind. We know they are wrong. They must be shown they are wrong.'--Calvin Coolidge

...that our public schools have left us so ignorant of the sound and moral principles upon which this nation was built that we can't share them with the newcomers any more.

[orenbus]

I'm just saying that life on this planet is simply a series of one group conquering or leaving their 'property' to another group.

http://rt.com/news/stone-age-america...eologists-445/

Interesting, other than the same RT article being re-posted on some forums and blogs I can't find a second source or basic details of this story such as what schools Stanford and Bradford are professors of, updates on their follow up digs or these thesis papers presented. If anyone has any links documenting these finds would appreciate it, thanks in advance.

[orenbus]

The Constitution and the Republic idea came from the Iroquois Nation and not the Brits.

Haven't gone through the background info yet on this. Good story though hadn't heard this one, thanks.

[AuH20]

How is it that it's the oligarchs who are destroying our country, but it's the mundanes that are destroying theirs?

Where do the oligarchs summon their concentration of power from? Answer being the mundanes.

[JustinTime]

None of this will be possible with a wave of immigration from cultures and political systems where this is the norm, along with a $#@! ton of corruption.

I contend that part of the reason for all that is a fundamental shift over the last fifty years, deliberately carried out by government, to make that the norm.

Exactly.

I feel strongly that this country could take immigrants from anywhere and make "Americans" out of them (what American used to mean) but only if its limited. You reach a point where there many to assimilate.

Look at all the terrible things that came out of the last great wave of immigration, the creation of the Fed, the Federal income tax, direct election of senators, prohibition, and you could even argue social security and Roosevelts confiscation of gold. We dodged a bullet and restricted immigration in the nick of time (maybe) but today we are making the same mistakes all over again.

Im all about preserving freedom here, and I don't share this doomed idea of a borderless world.

[JustinTime]

The Constitution and the Republic idea came from the Iroquois Nation and not the Brits.

That's a modern Cultural Marxist trope I saw on Saturday Morning TV 30 years ago.

When writing the Constitution the founders did indeed take a look at many confederations and federations, and Im sure they looked at the Iroquois Confederacy too, but I have never seen any evidence they borrowed anything from them, much less that the US Constitution is really just an Indian idea.

Most of the time people who support this idea point out obvious vague similarities, but all Ive ever seen is "no duh" things pertaining to the nature of federal and confederal unions. Yeah, they are all governments composed of parts with designated powers. That's what federations are confederations are.

[DFF]

Communism, socialism and big government ideas (and people with those ideas) have been continuously imported to America since the days when Karl Marx was writing for the New York Daily Tribune in the mid 1800s.

Yes, and these ideas are the biggest obstacle facing the United States and the world for that matter. Contrary to popular belief, Communism didn't end with the fall of the Soviet Union. It's still very much alive. Ron Paul has mentioned this as well.

[staerker]

Exactly.

I feel strongly that this country could take immigrants from anywhere and make "Americans" out of them (what American used to mean) but only if its limited. You reach a point where there many to assimilate.

Look at all the terrible things that came out of the last great wave of immigration, the creation of the Fed, the Federal income tax, direct election of senators, prohibition, and you could even argue social security and Roosevelts confiscation of gold. We dodged a bullet and restricted immigration in the nick of time (maybe) but today we are making the same mistakes all over again.

Im all about preserving freedom here, and I don't share this doomed idea of a borderless world.

You two would possibly have an argument, if the USA government was not the prime example of international corruption, and the US's populace wasn't the prime example of moral destitution.

[JustinTime]

You two would possibly have an argument, if the USA government was not the prime example of international corruption, and the US's populace wasn't the prime example of moral destitution.

I think that makes my argument all the more compelling. In fact, THAT IS my argument. The awful government is a result of slowly destroying the heritage Americans founded the country with, and importing a hell of a lot of people from places where that heritage has never existed is just one way that is accomplished.

Waves of unassimilated Europeans, my own ancestors among them, made up the support base for the things I named.

[staerker]

I think that makes my argument all the more compelling. In fact, THAT IS my argument. The awful government is a result of slowly destroying the heritage Americans founded the country with, and importing a hell of a lot of people from places where that heritage has never existed is just one way that is accomplished.

Waves of unassimilated Europeans, my own ancestors among them, made up the support base for the things I named.

Are you saying those who are born in America naturally have the "heritage Americans founded the country with?"

[euphemia]

I want to say a couple of things:

1. This wave of immigration is not the same as any other because the context has changed. We now have a welfare state that really did not exist prior to the 1960s.

2. Mexico and the rest of Latin America need to care that their citizens are pouring over the borders by the millions. Evenutally their own systems will collapse. All of their taxpayers and potential taxpayers will be Americans and Latin America will be more vulnerable than they already are to US exploitation. That's something they need to think about.

[Christian Liberty]

The Bible puts immigrants in the same category as widows, the fatherless, and the poor.

Meanwhile our country drone bombs the crap out of civilians, permits the murder of the unborn, and dominates every aspect of our lives.

I don't think refusing to let immigrants cross the border measures up to that in terms of monstrosity...

[fr33]

I want cheap labor because your kids are fat lazy and entitled. Cheap labor doesn't go to college and expect to be paid for sitting on their asses.

[staerker]

Meanwhile our country drone bombs the crap out of civilians, permits the murder of the unborn, and dominates every aspect of our lives.

I don't think refusing to let immigrants cross the border measures up to that in terms of monstrosity...

I may not seem very monstrous. In fact it is very easy, and we may not even notice it if we don't pay close attention. See the Sheep and the Goats.

[FloralScent]

I don't think he's in favor of this.

Well, that is the whole point of the unfettered immigration into the U.S. and all Western nations. They won't stop until we're all one nice, easily controllable, homogenous empire. So either he supports that goal, or he's too naive to realize that is the goal.