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    The big lie: Obama’s 5 million illegal entrants cannot receive public benefits

    The truth in 1982 the Supreme Court ruled that illegal immigrant children are entitled to the same education benefits available to U.S. citizens. An estimated 1.1 million public school students are illegal immigrants, according to the Urban Institute.

    “Because these students require more services than the children of natives, they will naturally receive an even larger share of educational spending. It is not unreasonable to attribute 25 percent of all pre-K to 12 spending to the 19 percent of students who are immigrants or the children of immigrants.”
    SEE: Department of Education - Immigration Fiscal Impact Statement


    Aside from the above, let us look at some of the effects of this ongoing invasion in just one county in California including the cost of benefits. See CLICK HERE and scroll to page 91 for testimony given by JOAN ZINSER before the COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY, U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, DECEMBER 13, 1995


    Good morning Chairman Smith and other honorable members of the Subcommittee on Immigration and Claims. I am Joan Zinser, Deputy Director of the San Diego County Department of Social Services. I direct the department's Income Maintenance Bureau, which has responsibility for AFDC, Food Stamps and Medicaid eligibility determinations. I am here today to tell you about the effects of illegal immigration on the County's assistance programs, and to present information regarding impacts on other county-funded services.


    Impacts on San Diego County


    In 1993, illegal aliens in San Diego County were estimated to be 7.9% of the population, or a total of almost 220,000 illegal aliens in a county with a population of slightly over 2 1/2 million. A 1993 California State Senate report estimated that the State, local governments - primarily the County - and schools incurred $304 million in costs to provide services to illegal aliens. These costs were offset by only $60 million in taxes generated by illegal aliens - leaving a net impact of $244 million.


    Welfare Costs.

    When a child is a US citizen, AFDC can be granted for the child but not the parent, if the parent is an undocumented immigrant. In 1992 there were 6,414 children born to undocumented immigrant parents in San Diego County hospitals. Each year, the illegal alien parents of nearly 2000 "citizen children" apply for and receive AFDC in San Diego County. The cumulative total of these "citizen child" cases continues to rise each year.


    Public assistance is intended to support the citizen child, but is paid to the illegal alien parent and is, no doubt, used by the parent to support the entire family. Costs for providing AFDC to "citizen children" cases in San Diego totaled $37 million in 1993 for approximately 5430 AFDC cases.


    Additional costs are incurred in Child Welfare Services. Combining costs for Out-of-Home and Family Maintenance services to families of illegal aliens results in an additional cost of $1.7 million.


    Medicaid and Other Health-Related- Costs.


    Medicaid services are an increasingly large portion of the costs involved in illegal immigration. In 1992, Medicaid paid for 6,414 births illegal alien mothers. Although studies have shown that illegal aliens use fewer Medicaid services than do the age-equivalent members of the general population, significant costs remain. Delivery costs are greater for babies with mothers lacking adequate prenatal care and many medical conditions are treated more cost-effectively in their early stages. Infectious diseases are also a major concern of the County. San Diego county has historically carried large costs because of illegal aliens with these problems. Costs associated with providing emergency and pregnancy related needs to illegal aliens are paid for under "restricted Medi-Cal benefits." During the 1992 calendar year, an estimated $37 million was paid for "restricted Medi-Cal benefits." Other costs, including uncompensated care in hospitals, community clinics, and other health services elevated the 1993 total costs to over $50 million.


    Criminal justice.


    A recent 90-day pilot project involved having INS Agents present in the county jails to interview those suspected of being an undocumented immigrant. Approximately 20% of the persons booked into the jails during that pilot were identified as being illegal aliens. With annual bookings of approximatel 105,000 persons a year, it is estimated that up to 21,000 were illegal aliens.


    According to the San Diego County District Attorney, 8,521 felony crimes were committed by illegal aliens between 1987 and 1992. Illegal aliens commit an estimated 22% of felony crimes committed in the county. The number of misdemeanors committed during the same period in San Diego County by illegal aliens is estimated to be 17,000. In 1993, approximately 15. 1 % of the costs -accrued in dealing with crimes were spent on illegal aliens. Costs for illegal aliens to the legal system totaled $151 million in the County of San Diego for 1993.


    Education.


    Recently, a video of students crossing the border and getting on a school bus in San Diego County in order to receive free education was shown nationwide. Locally, we have worked to make sure that this situation does not recur, but education of the children of illegal aliens is also a significant CDSt. It is estimated that $60 million was spent in San Diego County in 1993 for education of illegal aliens.

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    JWK




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    Just look at ANY public school system and ask them where the money is coming from. Some states, public schools also tax Americans for interpreters.

    This crony politician has to be in the Guinness Book of Records for the 'Most Lies Ever'.

    Everything out of his mouth is Deceit and Lies. But if you listen closely, Obama reveals the true masters... he mentions Michael Bloomberg, Rupert Murdoch, Fortune500 companies, and the Devil, Michael Chertoff.


    Watch this clip from C-SPAN3 when Obama was in El Paso, TX, May 10, 2011. Start at the 3:42P EST/12:42P PST
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    Illegal immigrants are not eligible for federal benefits including social security, medicare/ medicaid, Obamacare, food stamps. States decide to allow or not allow them to attend schools. Also note that the article describes "immigrants" not "illegal immigrants". That covers those here legally as well.

    “Because these students require more services than the children of natives, they will naturally receive an even larger share of educational spending. It is not unreasonable to attribute 25 percent of all pre-K to 12 spending to the 19 percent of students who are immigrants or the children of immigrants.”

    http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/...aid-treatment/

    During the debate over the 2010 federal health care overhaul, Democrats promised that illegal immigrants wouldn’t be among the 27 million people who’d gain coverage. President Barack Obama repeated that pledge last month when he outlined his immigration plan.

    But while federal law generally bars illegal immigrants from being covered by Medicaid, a little-known part of the state-federal health insurance program for the poor pays about $2 billion a year for emergency treatment for a group of patients who, according to hospitals, mostly comprise illegal immigrants. Most of it goes to reimburse hospitals for delivering babies for women who show up in their emergency rooms, according to interviews with hospital officials and studies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Illegal immigrants are not eligible for federal benefits including social security, medicare/ medicaid, Obamacare, food stamps. States decide to allow or not allow them to attend schools. Also note that the article describes "immigrants" not "illegal immigrants". That covers those here legally as well.

    Well Mr. Zippy, are you really suggesting to the posters in this thread that the latest flood of illegal entrants from Central America have not received any benefits such as food, clothing, shelter, medical attention and transportation costs to invade the various united States?


    JWK

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnwk View Post
    Well Mr. Zippy, are you really suggesting to the posters in this thread that the latest flood of illegal entrants from Central America have not received any benefits such as food, clothing, shelter, medical attention and transportation costs to invade the various united States?


    JWK
    No, Zippy is simply pointing out why there is no incentive for the federal government to control the flow of illegal immigrants.

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    Zippy,

    How about considering what this ongoing invasion of our borders has already done to our Country:


    Illegal Immigration Costs California Over Ten Billion Annually

    Dateline: December, 2004

    Among the key finding of the report are that the state's already struggling K-12 education system spends approximately $7.7 billion a year to school the children of illegal aliens who now constitute 15 percent of the student body. Another $1.4 billion of the taxpayers' money goes toward providing health care to illegal aliens and their families, the same amount that is spent incarcerating illegal aliens criminals.

    Hearing focuses on costs linked to immigration Officials cite illegals' effect on schools, criminal justice

    Testimony about "51 Florida Hospitals in trouble" due to illegal aliens expenses:
    -

    Texas Faces Rising Cost For Illegal Immigrant Care

    Texas spent at least $250 million in the past year for medical care and imprisonment of illegal immigrants and other non-citizens.


    L.A. Emergency Rooms Full of Illegal Immigrants

    Mike Antonovich, the Los Angeles County supervisor, said the system has been "basically bankrupted."

    The Department of Health has a $1.2 billion deficit. Caring for illegals is siphoning money from other services and forcing clinics, trauma centers and emergency rooms to close, he said.

    Department of Education - Immigration Fiscal Impact Statement

    (In 1982 the Supreme Court ruled that illegal immigrant children are entitled to the same education benefits available to U.S. citizens. An estimated 1.1 million public school students are illegal immigrants, according to the Urban Institute.)

    Because these students require more services than the children of natives, they will naturally receive an even larger share of educational spending. It is not unreasonable to attribute 25 percent of all pre-K to 12 spending to the 19 percent of students who are immigrants or the children of immigrants.

    Preventing and Controlling Tuberculosis Along the U.S.-Mexico Border

    In 1999, Mexico was the country of origin for 23% (1,753) of all foreign-born persons with TB. Of TB cases among Mexican-born persons, three fourths were reported from the four U.S. states bordering Mexico: California, 820 cases; Texas, 364 cases; Arizona, 67 cases; and New Mexico, 17 cases (3). In 1999, TB cases among Mexican-born persons represented approximately 25% of all reported TB in the four border states. Incidence of TB was higher for the majority of border counties than the national TB rate.

    Drug-resistant TB on the rise along US-Mexican border

    According to the Centers for Disease Control and reported by McKay, to treat one case of multidrug-resistant TB will cost us (the taxpayers) $140,000 to as high as $700,000 per patient!

    ____

    Why are you not concerned how this ongoing invasion is affecting our nation’s tax paying citizens, especially hard working tax paying citizens who live in our nation’s inner cities and those who are losing their jobs to illegal entrants?

    JWK

    The Obama Administration is employing the same tactics used by Hamas. They hide behind woman and children while flooding our country with the poverty stricken populations of other countries!

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnwk View Post
    Well Mr. Zippy, are you really suggesting to the posters in this thread that the latest flood of illegal entrants from Central America have not received any benefits such as food, clothing, shelter, medical attention and transportation costs to invade the various united States?


    JWK
    You are right- that is an exception. The law requires that unaccompanied minors be given a hearing before they can be deported (except those from Mexico which can be immediately deported) and they must be taken care of while they are waiting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnwk View Post
    Zippy,

    How about considering what this ongoing invasion of our borders has already done to our Country:


    Illegal Immigration Costs California Over Ten Billion Annually

    Dateline: December, 2004

    Among the key finding of the report are that the state's already struggling K-12 education system spends approximately $7.7 billion a year to school the children of illegal aliens who now constitute 15 percent of the student body. Another $1.4 billion of the taxpayers' money goes toward providing health care to illegal aliens and their families, the same amount that is spent incarcerating illegal aliens criminals.

    Hearing focuses on costs linked to immigration Officials cite illegals' effect on schools, criminal justice

    Testimony about "51 Florida Hospitals in trouble" due to illegal aliens expenses:
    -

    Texas Faces Rising Cost For Illegal Immigrant Care

    Texas spent at least $250 million in the past year for medical care and imprisonment of illegal immigrants and other non-citizens.


    L.A. Emergency Rooms Full of Illegal Immigrants

    Mike Antonovich, the Los Angeles County supervisor, said the system has been "basically bankrupted."

    The Department of Health has a $1.2 billion deficit. Caring for illegals is siphoning money from other services and forcing clinics, trauma centers and emergency rooms to close, he said.

    Department of Education - Immigration Fiscal Impact Statement

    (In 1982 the Supreme Court ruled that illegal immigrant children are entitled to the same education benefits available to U.S. citizens. An estimated 1.1 million public school students are illegal immigrants, according to the Urban Institute.)

    Because these students require more services than the children of natives, they will naturally receive an even larger share of educational spending. It is not unreasonable to attribute 25 percent of all pre-K to 12 spending to the 19 percent of students who are immigrants or the children of immigrants.

    Preventing and Controlling Tuberculosis Along the U.S.-Mexico Border

    In 1999, Mexico was the country of origin for 23% (1,753) of all foreign-born persons with TB. Of TB cases among Mexican-born persons, three fourths were reported from the four U.S. states bordering Mexico: California, 820 cases; Texas, 364 cases; Arizona, 67 cases; and New Mexico, 17 cases (3). In 1999, TB cases among Mexican-born persons represented approximately 25% of all reported TB in the four border states. Incidence of TB was higher for the majority of border counties than the national TB rate.

    Drug-resistant TB on the rise along US-Mexican border

    According to the Centers for Disease Control and reported by McKay, to treat one case of multidrug-resistant TB will cost us (the taxpayers) $140,000 to as high as $700,000 per patient!

    ____

    Why are you not concerned how this ongoing invasion is affecting our nation’s tax paying citizens, especially hard working tax paying citizens who live in our nation’s inner cities and those who are losing their jobs to illegal entrants?

    JWK

    The Obama Administration is employing the same tactics used by Hamas. They hide behind woman and children while flooding our country with the poverty stricken populations of other countries!
    This "ongoing invasion" "flooding the country" has led to there being fewer total illegal immigrants in the US than there were in 2007 (from 12.3 million to 10.3 million). A decrease- not an increase. And an absolute one. Not just a decrease in how many are coming but how many are still here. Net immigration from Mexico (legal and illegal) has been zero for several years now- the current crop of immigrants are coming mostly from Asia.



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    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 11-27-2014 at 05:18 PM.



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    Every word out of Obama's mouth is a lie.. His entire life is a lie. This Congress better get rid of this maniac through impeachment or imprisonment .. We cannot have two more years of this bastard writing his own laws and cancelling those he does not like. Mitch McConnell was bright enough (yeah, right) to announce impeachment and shutting down the government was off the table. Then McConnell needs to go also. All I know is the USA will never survive two more years of this man and the trailer trash behind him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dianne View Post
    Every word out of Obama's mouth is a lie.. His entire life is a lie. This Congress better get rid of this maniac through impeachment or imprisonment .. We cannot have two more years of this bastard writing his own laws and cancelling those he does not like. Mitch McConnell was bright enough (yeah, right) to announce impeachment and shutting down the government was off the table. Then McConnell needs to go also. All I know is the USA will never survive two more years of this man and the trailer trash behind him.
    Dianna,


    Obama and his inner circle thugs have unleashed a war against America's hard working productive citizens and includes hard working tax paying citizens living in our nation's inner cities who are having their earned wages taxed away from them by Obama which he then uses to feed, clothe, house, school, and provided medical attention to his invading force who will now be able to take jobs away from America's hard working Citizens living in our nation's inner cities who will shortly find their jobs handed over to Obama's 5 million illegal entrants.

    Anyone with common sense knows what Obama’s ultimate objective is, and it is not in the best interests of the United States or her citizens. As a matter of fact it is about enslaving the American taxpaying citizens using the power of taxation, and creating an overwhelming dependent class who is encouraged to sell their vote for free government cheese.

    Obama and his inner circle thugs are one of the most evil domestic enemies America has ever known!

    JWK


    If we can make 51 percent of America’s population dependent upon an Obama, welfare, food stamp, section 8 housing, college loan check, and now free Obamacare along with FREE BACON, we can blackmail them for their vote, keep ourselves in power and keep the remaining portion of America’s productive population enslaved to pay the bills ____ Obama’s Free Cheese Democracy, designed to establish a federal plantation which redistributes wealth that wage earners, business and investors have worked to create.

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    IMHO, a true liberty lover shouldn't hate immigration or demonize immigrants, but should do everything they can to stop the welfare state.

    Heavy anti-immigration sentiment is a Republican thing, and a losing battle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jurgs01 View Post
    IMHO, a true liberty lover shouldn't hate immigration or demonize immigrants, but should do everything they can to stop the welfare state.

    Heavy anti-immigration sentiment is a Republican thing, and a losing battle.
    As the country continues to spiral downhill blame will mount on the outsiders. History repeats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jurgs01 View Post
    IMHO, a true liberty lover shouldn't hate immigration or demonize immigrants, but should do everything they can to stop the welfare state.

    Heavy anti-immigration sentiment is a Republican thing, and a losing battle.
    Not anti-immigrantion, but anti-illegal-immigrantion.

    Also the federal government truly gains by converting illegal-immigrants into permanent citizens, with them further qualifying for state and federal benefits, and serve as tye rallying cry for ACA on steroids, rabid gun control, cheap national labor, new military recruits for wars abound, future loyalty votes for progressives, and the like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jurgs01 View Post
    IMHO, a true liberty lover shouldn't hate immigration or demonize immigrants, but should do everything they can to stop the welfare state.

    Heavy anti-immigration sentiment is a Republican thing, and a losing battle.
    Those two concepts are inextricably linked.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jurgs01 View Post
    IMHO, a true liberty lover shouldn't hate immigration or demonize immigrants, but should do everything they can to stop the welfare state.

    Heavy anti-immigration sentiment is a Republican thing, and a losing battle.
    Do you allow anyone who pleases to enter your house without your permission?

    JWK



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