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    I Stopped Wasting My Time on Politics -- (You should, too)


    Why I Stopped Spending My Time on Politics… And Why I Think You Should Too

    By Paul Rosenberg

    Casey Research

    A FREE-MAN’s TAKE

    November 25, 2014

    Many of my friends vote; people I love and respect vote; but I’ve given it up. That horrifies many people, but—truth be faced—it bothers them mostly because it calls their choices into question.

    That’s very unfortunate, because I quite understand why they vote. And I don’t look down on them for it; I did it plenty of times myself. I just wish they’d stop punishing themselves with politics and be happy instead.

    Politics is a type of slow-rolling torment. I don’t want people I love to suffer through it.

    Yes, I know that my opinion seems crazy to many people, but again, it’s mostly because it differs so starkly from theirs. If my opinion is right, they’ve been wasting their time, and almost no one likes to consider that sort of thing. We fight such possibilities reflexively.

    So, if you like your politics, you can keep your politics. I’m not trying to take it away from you. I’m just saying that I wish good people wouldn’t pour their time and energy down that particular drain—I don’t think it benefits them.

    Now, since so many people will object, I’ll explain why I think this is so.

    “Then Bad People Will Win! Things Will Get Worse!”

    This is the first argument I usually hear, to which I usually respond: “It’s already bad, it’s getting worse, and none of the past ten elections have changed it.”

    To that I get a lot of “Yeah, but” responses.

    The truth is that repressive regimes steamroll right through politics. There were armies of politicians and endless elections in the Soviet republics, after all, and their constitution had some very attractive stuff in it. For example:

    The rights of authors, inventors, and innovators are protected by the state.

    The privacy of citizens, and of their correspondence, telephone conversations, and telegraphic communications is protected by law.

    Citizens of the USSR are guaranteed inviolability of the home. No one may, without lawful grounds, enter a home against the will of those residing in it.

    Respect for the individual and protection of the rights and freedoms of citizens are the duty of all state bodies, public organisations, and officials.

    Obviously, politicians and political documents didn’t help the people of the USSR very much.

    Repressive regimes, however, cannot steamroll through mid-level and lower-level operatives who fail to execute their orders. If those people fail to obey—or if the people who pump their gas or fix their heating systems stop complying—their rule ends, and quickly.

    So, in real life, a repressive regime isn’t restrained by politics; it’s restrained by disobedience.

    In the end, rulers can go only as far as the obedience of their subjects. If they go too far… if their subjects stop obeying… they’re done.

    Power—including political power—always corrupts, and it will always expand to the limit of its subjects’ obedience. I’m not alone in saying this, you understand. Frederick Douglass said the same thing long before I did:

    Find out just what people will submit to, and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them … The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress.

    The worst problem with politics is that it increases the obedience of the populace. The Blues always blame the Reds, the Reds forever blame the Blues, and everyone keeps right on obeying. After all, their team may win the next election, and then things might finally go their way!

    So, not only is politics a drain on our lives, but it makes people more likely to robotically obey. And that is truly dangerous.

    No Matter Whom You Vote for, the Government Gets Elected

    When people think of the US government, they usually think of about 600 people in Washington, DC. The actual government, however, is composed of millions of employees, many of whom are almost impossible to fire. To make it worse, oceans of money are moving through this operation on a daily basis. This arrangement fosters the abuse of power, and it always will. It’s a structural issue, not “a few bad apples.”

    Your government structure is corrupt and abusive, and it will stay that way until the structure itself changes.

    Politics keeps us believing that things can improve anyway… once we defeat that horrible enemy party, of course. But regardless of our hopes, we always end up with something that might be called “practical rulership.” In other words, not much changes, even when the televised faces do.

    Politics Relies on Superstition

    Embedded in the practice of politics is a superstition, which is this:

    If we complain enough, and in the right ways, we’ll get what we want without having to take any risks at all.

    In other words, we want to believe that politics provides us an easy way out… that our complaints invoke magic.

    But if we want things to be different, we must act to make them different. Politics shuts that down by making people think that talking is magic and passivity is a virtue.

    So, we have millions of decent and capable people who are more than able to solve their own problems but who never consider acting on their own, because they’re intimidated and because they think that they can get what they want without risk, by talking correctly.

    Politics has given them an attractive lie to believe in: Change your world: no pain, no strain, no risk.

    Not only is this promise a rank superstition, but it also sidetracks people from actually changing their world. Why spend your blood, sweat, and tears when mere complaining will work the same or better?

    Politics Is Prehistoric

    Being that I study the ancient past, I can trace men ruling over men back to about 6400 BC. I can trace rulership that resembles ours back to about 5000 BC. I can trace bicameral assemblies (like our House of Representatives and Senate) back to about 2500 BC.

    Most of that is what we commonly call the “prehistoric” era.

    So, here’s my question: What else from before the Egyptian pyramids still rules the lives of women and men?

    Men no longer pull plows. They no longer start fires with flint. Nor do they pull sleds or wooden-wheeled carts or rely upon animals for power. We have learned to write, to invent, to navigate, to cover immense distances, to drive, to fly, and to reach into the heavens.

    And yet…

    And yet, this one relic of our primitive past remains. If there’s one area of life in which humans have failed to evolve, it’s politics.

    So…

    So, I’ve made my case, and you can make of it what you will. But I’ve become happier and more productive by walking away from politics, and I’d like that for you too.

    Reprinted with permission from CaseyResearch.

    The Best of Paul Rosenberg

    Paul Rosenberg [send him mail] is the CEO of Cryptohippie USA, a leading provider of Internet privacy technologies. He is the "outside the Matrix" author of FreemansPerspective.com, a site dedicated to economic freedom, personal independence and individual privacy.

    Copyright © 2014 Casey Research, LLC

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/2014/11/p...e-on-politics/


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    I'm rather close to concluding that I'm going to stop wasting so much time on internet forums and information sharing in that form and maybe hit the bricks again. Who gets elected, really, isn't what is important to me as actually getting out there and doing something more direct with regard to the issues themselves. I have more time to travel now so is probably the path I'm going to take. A couple of years ago, it was something that I thought to be practical to try to better understand people in the liberty movement but, unfortunately, I do now understand that it's more like herding cats and there exists too many conflicts of interest. And I have no loyalty to the Republican or Democratic parties. Elections, to me, aren't near as critical as grassroots efforts that actually get things done. That is to say that counting seats isn't nearly as practical as counting issues.
    Last edited by Natural Citizen; 11-25-2014 at 02:40 AM.

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    "So, in real life, a repressive regime isn’t restrained by politics; it’s restrained by disobedience."


    "So, in real life, a repressive regime isn’t restrained by politics; it’s restrained by disobedience."


    "So, in real life, a repressive regime isn’t restrained by politics; it’s restrained by disobedience."


    Did I get that right AF?
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    Liberty will not come from the top down. Liberty will arise from the people when the culture changes. Change your own life and you will send ripples through the culture. Just little ones. But when enough people propagate enough ripples and they reach critical mass, the culture will change and THEN government will change spontaneously. But not before.

    When the American people stop loving dictators and hating their neighbors, the dictators will flee and freedom will reign among us.
    The proper concern of society is the preservation of individual freedom; the proper concern of the individual is the harmony of society.

    "Who would be free, themselves must strike the blow." - Byron

    "Who overcomes by force, hath overcome but half his foe." - Milton

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    There's something to be said for the OP.

    But I bet Paul Rosenberg still wastes some of his time on other things that are just as pointless as politics.

    As for me, I haven't completely given up yet. Even if it's no more than throwing a hail Mary pass to see what happenes, I plan to do what I can to help Rand get elected president.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Acala View Post
    Liberty will not come from the top down. Liberty will arise from the people when the culture changes. Change your own life and you will send ripples through the culture. Just little ones. But when enough people propagate enough ripples and they reach critical mass, the culture will change and THEN government will change spontaneously. But not before.

    When the American people stop loving dictators and hating their neighbors, the dictators will flee and freedom will reign among us.
    Nice +rep

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    Quote Originally Posted by erowe1 View Post
    There's something to be said for the OP.
    There's damned precious little to be said for the OP.

    In fact, the author should have said, 'Stop voting for the lesser of two evils,' and been done with it.

    That's a useful message. Everything beyond that is a plea for us to maintain the system of competing evils that we're stuck with and desperately need to eliminate.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erowe1 View Post
    There's something to be said for the OP.

    But I bet Paul Rosenberg still wastes some of his time on other things that are just as pointless as politics.

    As for me, I haven't completely given up yet. Even if it's no more than throwing a hail Mary pass to see what happenes, I plan to do what I can to help Rand get elected president.
    Paul does his things, you do yours. It's good to have a hobby.



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    So, if you like your politics, you can keep your politics. I’m not trying to take it away from you. I’m just saying that I wish good people wouldn’t pour their time and energy down that particular drain—I don’t think it benefits them.

    Now, since so many people will object, I’ll explain why I think this is so.

    “Then Bad People Will Win! Things Will Get Worse!”

    This is the first argument I usually hear, to which I usually respond: “It’s already bad, it’s getting worse, and none of the past ten elections have changed it.”

    To that I get a lot of “Yeah, but” responses.

    I won't say "Yeah, but," I'm going to state flat-out that I believe that premise to be wrong. In some ways, things HAVE gotten better.

    Ten years ago Ron Paul was the lone voice of reason in the House, and he was commonly dismissed as a loon. Now we have guys like Amash and Massey, and/or other politicians like Walter Jones who have largely turned around their thinking due to the influence of liberty activists. We have scores of liberty candidates winning races at the local and state level, including many folks right here on RPF. The ideas of liberty which would have garnered hoots of derision ten years ago (such as marijuana legalization) are now coming to pass. The basic idea of government being more "hands off" is gaining much wider acceptance.

    So yeah, don't vote. Don't waste time and energy on things like liberty. Let's all refuse to vote. Then the next time some jackbooted government goon is threatening to bash in my skull, I'm safe. All I have to do is shout, "Wait! I'm not part of the system! I didn't vote! I refuse to participate! You can't DO this to me!"

    'cause we all know how well that works.

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    The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress.
    ^^This.

    I.R.S. comes to mind. That is the real beast. And, as long as we continue to endure it, there is no hope of changing anything else.
    Diversity finds unity in the message of freedom.

    Dilige et quod vis fac. ~ Saint Augustine

    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Above all I think everyone needs to understand that neither the Bundys nor Finicum were militia or had prior military training. They were, first and foremost, Ranchers who had about all the shit they could take.
    Quote Originally Posted by HOLLYWOOD View Post
    If anything, this situation has proved the government is nothing but a dictatorship backed by deadly force... no different than the dictatorships in the banana republics, just more polished and cleverly propagandized.
    "I'll believe in good cops when they start turning bad cops in."

    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    In a free society there will be bigotry, and racism, and sexism and religious disputes and, and, and.......
    I don't want to live in a cookie cutter, federally mandated society.
    Give me messy freedom every time!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KCIndy View Post
    I won't say "Yeah, but," I'm going to state flat-out that I believe that premise to be wrong. In some ways, things HAVE gotten better.

    Ten years ago Ron Paul was the lone voice of reason in the House, and he was commonly dismissed as a loon. Now we have guys like Amash and Massey, and/or other politicians like Walter Jones who have largely turned around their thinking due to the influence of liberty activists. We have scores of liberty candidates winning races at the local and state level, including many folks right here on RPF. The ideas of liberty which would have garnered hoots of derision ten years ago (such as marijuana legalization) are now coming to pass. The basic idea of government being more "hands off" is gaining much wider acceptance.

    So yeah, don't vote. Don't waste time and energy on things like liberty. Let's all refuse to vote. Then the next time some jackbooted government goon is threatening to bash in my skull, I'm safe. All I have to do is shout, "Wait! I'm not part of the system! I didn't vote! I refuse to participate! You can't DO this to me!"

    'cause we all know how well that works.
    Have you really had all that much trouble in your life with numerous encounters of repeated episodes of "some jackbooted government goons threatening to bash in your skull"? If so, then you'd better just keep on voting because that will surely protect and save you.

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    The realizations of this law firm are probably relevant to this discussion too:

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...nto-their-work
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    There's damned precious little to be said for the OP.

    In fact, the author should have said, 'Stop voting for the lesser of two evils,' and been done with it.

    That's a useful message. Everything beyond that is a plea for us to maintain the system of competing evils that we're stuck with and desperately need to eliminate.
    That probably wouldn't have really made much of an article for Lew to want to feature.

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    'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988

    Awareness is the Root of Liberation Revolution is Action upon Revelation

    'Resistance and Disobedience in Economic Activity is the Most Moral Human Action Possible' - SEK3

    Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.

    ...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
    ...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...


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    'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988

    Awareness is the Root of Liberation Revolution is Action upon Revelation

    'Resistance and Disobedience in Economic Activity is the Most Moral Human Action Possible' - SEK3

    Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.

    ...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
    ...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...




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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    "So, in real life, a repressive regime isn’t restrained by politics; it’s restrained by disobedience."


    "So, in real life, a repressive regime isn’t restrained by politics; it’s restrained by disobedience."


    "So, in real life, a repressive regime isn’t restrained by politics; it’s restrained by disobedience."


    Did I get that right AF?

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    There is only one correct way: freedom. All other solutions are non-solutions.

    It appears that artificial intelligence is at least slightly superior to natural stupidity.

    Our words make us the ghosts that we are.

    Convincing the world he didn't exist was the Devil's second greatest trick; the first was convincing us that God didn't exist.

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    Nice OP. The good thing about elections though, is that they keep Boobus too busy with their mass mental masturbation to bug me too much for a brief while every few years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by erowe1 View Post
    There's something to be said for the OP.
    Agreed. It's whiny, defeatist drivel fraught with all manner of error.

    That's actually quite a bit to say about it.
    freedomisobvious.blogspot.com

    There is only one correct way: freedom. All other solutions are non-solutions.

    It appears that artificial intelligence is at least slightly superior to natural stupidity.

    Our words make us the ghosts that we are.

    Convincing the world he didn't exist was the Devil's second greatest trick; the first was convincing us that God didn't exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    Yuri Bezmenov called them 'useful idiots'. I'm pretty sure he coined the phrase. Here he is being interviewed years ago by the great G. Edward Griffin:

    Diversity finds unity in the message of freedom.

    Dilige et quod vis fac. ~ Saint Augustine

    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Above all I think everyone needs to understand that neither the Bundys nor Finicum were militia or had prior military training. They were, first and foremost, Ranchers who had about all the shit they could take.
    Quote Originally Posted by HOLLYWOOD View Post
    If anything, this situation has proved the government is nothing but a dictatorship backed by deadly force... no different than the dictatorships in the banana republics, just more polished and cleverly propagandized.
    "I'll believe in good cops when they start turning bad cops in."

    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    In a free society there will be bigotry, and racism, and sexism and religious disputes and, and, and.......
    I don't want to live in a cookie cutter, federally mandated society.
    Give me messy freedom every time!

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    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    Agreed. It's whiny, defeatist drivel fraught with all manner of error.

    That's actually quite a bit to say about it.

    "We shall get nowhere until we start by recognizing that political behavior is largely non-rational, that the world is suffering from some kind of mental disease which must be diagnosed before it can be cured. " -- George Orwell
    Last edited by Ronin Truth; 11-26-2014 at 08:41 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin Truth View Post

    "We shall get nowhere until we start by recognizing that political behavior is largely non-rational, that the world is suffering from some kind of mental disease which must be diagnosed before it can be cured. " -- George Orwell
    You posted this in defense of a call to stop wasting time on politics?

    That's like telling a mechanic with a car that won't shift to stop wasting time diagnosing the transmission, or a doctor facing an appendicitis case to stop wasting his time on the patient's abdomen.

    You and hb34 want us to get nowhere. Noted. I think we all already figured that out.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    You posted this in defense of a call to stop wasting time on politics?

    That's like telling a mechanic with a car that won't shift to stop wasting time diagnosing the transmission, or a doctor facing an appendicitis case to stop wasting his time on the patient's abdomen.

    You and hb34 want us to get nowhere. Noted. I think we all already figured that out.
    Seems like you've explained pretty well the politicians understandable self serving interest and involvement in politics. That doesn't quite explain the behavior of the herd mentality and group think of the rest of the flock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin Truth View Post
    Seems like you've explained pretty well the politicians understandable self serving interest and involvement in politics.
    I did? How, exactly? Do tell, because I don't see it, myself.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin Truth View Post
    That doesn't quite explain the behavior of the herd mentality and group think of the rest of the flock.
    You want me to explain that? Can I part the Red Sea for you while I'm at it?
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.



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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    I did? How, exactly? Do tell, because I don't see it, myself.

    Mechanics mechanic, doctors doctor, politicians politic, sheeple follow.

    You want me to explain that? Can I part the Red Sea for you while I'm at it?
    Sure, go for it, Moses.
    Last edited by Ronin Truth; 11-26-2014 at 11:19 AM.

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    Enlightened leadership or an enlightened people?





    Last edited by presence; 11-26-2014 at 11:50 AM.

    'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988

    Awareness is the Root of Liberation Revolution is Action upon Revelation

    'Resistance and Disobedience in Economic Activity is the Most Moral Human Action Possible' - SEK3

    Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.

    ...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
    ...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...


  31. #27

    Last edited by presence; 11-26-2014 at 11:47 AM.

    'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988

    Awareness is the Root of Liberation Revolution is Action upon Revelation

    'Resistance and Disobedience in Economic Activity is the Most Moral Human Action Possible' - SEK3

    Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.

    ...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
    ...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...


  32. #28
    “And the Grinch, with his Grinch-feet ice cold in the snow,
    stood puzzling and puzzling, how could it be so?

    It came without ribbons.
    It came without tags.

    It came without packages,
    boxes or bags.

    And he puzzled and puzzled 'till his puzzler was sore.
    Then the Grinch thought of something he hadn't before.

    What if Christmas, he thought, doesn't come from a store.
    What if Christmas, perhaps, means a little bit more.”




    Last edited by presence; 11-26-2014 at 11:46 AM.

    'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988

    Awareness is the Root of Liberation Revolution is Action upon Revelation

    'Resistance and Disobedience in Economic Activity is the Most Moral Human Action Possible' - SEK3

    Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.

    ...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
    ...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...


  33. #29
    If we desire liberty we simply need to celebrate it.

    'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988

    Awareness is the Root of Liberation Revolution is Action upon Revelation

    'Resistance and Disobedience in Economic Activity is the Most Moral Human Action Possible' - SEK3

    Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.

    ...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
    ...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...


  34. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by presence View Post
    If we desire liberty we simply need to celebrate it.
    FWIW, for me, "liberty" has always implied getting permission from some authority (so called). That's why I much prefer "freedom", a state of nature.

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