Giuliani Says “White Police Officers Wouldn’t Be There If You Weren’t Killing Each Other.”

[Anti Federalist]

Giuliani Says “White Police Officers Wouldn’t Be There If You Weren’t Killing Each Other.”

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/giu...Df1SescVIzZ.99

New York City, New York – Former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani recently showed his true colors on this week’s Sunday morning edition of NBC’s “Meet The Press”, when he made some highly irresponsible comments about race-relations with police and the upcoming grand jury decision on Darren Wilson.

Speaking to Georgetown professor Michael Eric Dyson, Giuliani diverted the conversation away from police brutality, and on to the subject of “black on black” crime.

“Ninety-three percent of blacks are killed by other blacks. I would like to see the attention paid to that that you are paying to this,” Giuliani said.

However, Dyson held his own against the former mayor, making some very great points before the end of the news segment.

Dyson mentioned that Giuliani was making a “false equivalency” between black on black crime and the protests in Ferguson, Missouri.

Dyson correctly pointed out that the protests have less to do with color, than they do with the lack of accountability that police officers enjoy.

“Black people who kill black people go to jail, White people who are policemen who kill black people do not go to jail,” Dyson said.

When people do not see consequences for their actions, there is a problem.

In many areas, police violence against citizens has actually outpaced violence between citizens. As we reported this week, for the past five years in Utah, more people have been killed by cops than by gang violence, drug dealers, or from child abuse.

I think it would be safe to say that if police statistics were included with Giuliani’s “black on black” crime figures, that the numbers would have been drastically different.

[Brian4Liberty]

Giuliani diverted the conversation away from police brutality

Shocking!

[enhanced_deficit]

Well, he is an American hero.

No diss to this great hero but from what I recall Miriam Carey and her daughter had come to dead stop after making wrong turn near white house when "white police officers" took head shots:

[muh_roads]

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/fo...age2092547/pg1

Based on current rates of first incarceration, an estimated 32% of black males will enter State or Federal prison during their lifetime, compared to 17% of Hispanic males and 5.9% of white males.

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At midyear 2007 there were 4,618 black male sentenced prisoners per 100,000 black males in the United States, compared to 1,747 Hispanic male sentenced prisoners per 100,000 Hispanic males and 773 white male sentenced prisoners per 100,000 white males.

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In 2005, Homicide offending rates for blacks were more than 7 times higher than the rates for whites

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Lifetime Likelihood of Going to State or Federal Prison
This Special Report presents lifetime chances of going to State or Federal prison by age, sex, race, and Hispanic origin. Using standard demographic lifetable techniques, and assuming that recent incarceration rates remain unchanged, an estimated 1 of every 20 persons (5%) can be expected to serve time in prison during their lifetime. The lifetime chances of a person going to prison are higher for men (9%) than for women (1%) and higher for blacks (16%) and Hispanics (9%) than for whites (2%). At current levels of incarceration newborn black males in this country have a greater than a 1 in 4 chance of going to prison during their lifetimes, while Hispanic males have a 1 in 6 chance, and white males have a 1 in 23 chance of serving time. 3/97 NCJ 160092

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The US Dept. of Justice Website also reports that in England and Wales, blacks are 2% of the population, but 11% of inmates:

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CNN DATA:

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THE FACTS: Blacks, who represent just 12.5% of the U.S. population, account for a disproportionate share of violent crime. Still, the fact remains that whites commit more such crimes -- 54% vs. 45% for blacks, (even though blacks are 12.5% of the population) according to FBI arrest statistics. The numbers also vary widely depending on the crime, with blacks responsible for more murders and robberies (55% and 61% of these crimes, respectively) and whites committing more rapes and aggravated assaults (56% and 60%).

The bottom line: While a white person is far more likely to be victimized by a black than the other way around (21% vs. 7%), the chances are three times as great that a white person will be victimized by another white than by a black.

The exception here is robbery. Whites are held up by blacks 49% of the time and by whites only 37%. Still, though violent crime is predominantly white on white or black on black, it is also true that black criminals commit more crimes against white victims (nearly 1.1 million in 1992) than they do against blacks (just under 1 million).
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As you note, African-Americans have three times the abortion rate of whites. You don't mention, however, that, as Janet Reno's Justice Department flatly states that "blacks are 8 times more likely than whites to commit homicide." Therefore, blacks commit more murders than whites in total as well as per capita.

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Everybody acknowledges that incarceration rates among young black males are much higher than among whites or Hispanics. An August 2003 Bureau of Justice Statistics analysis shows that 32 percent of black males born in 2001 can expect to spend time in prison over the course of their lifetime. That is up from 13.4 percent in 1974 and 29.4 percent in 1991. By contrast, 17.2 percent of Hispanics and 5.9 percent of whites born in 2001 are likely to end up in prison.

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in "The Color of Crime: Race, Crime and Justice in America," produced by the "right-leaning" New Century Foundation in 2005, using the same FBI and Justice surveys, startling facts emerge:


"Blacks commit more violent crime against whites than against other blacks." Forty-five percent of the victims of violent crime by blacks are white folks, 43 percent are black, 10 percent are Hispanic.

Blacks are seven times as likely as people of other races to commit murder, eight times more likely to commit robbery and three times more likely to use a gun in a crime.

"Blacks are an estimated 39 times more likely to commit violent crime against a white person than vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit robbery." (If decent black folks have trouble hailing a cab, and they do, these numbers may help explain it.)

Black-on-white rape is 115 times more common than the reverse.

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'Though blacks, 24 percent of New York Citys population, committed 68.5 percent of all murders, rapes, robberies, and assaults in the city last year, according to victims and witnesses, they were only 55 percent of all stop-and-frisks.

[cajuncocoa]

My post from another thread:

The Michael Brown case, just as the Trayvon Martin case before this, is not being played out as one of excessive police force against the general population....something we see every day in topics on this board.

It's being played out as excessive force by a white officer on a black victim...the media are playing the race card, deliberately playing emotions to get whites to take the side of the police officer in the case. As I see it, whites and blacks alike are falling for it.

Congrats to Rudy. If you keep playing this as a white vs. black thing, the police can get away with doing what they do, and white Boobus will support their every move.

[bunklocoempire]

John T. Williams?

Jose Guerena Ortiz?

Kelly Thomas?

Michael Brown's blood was what color again? Black? Got it Rudy.

[Occam's Banana]

My post from another thread:

The Michael Brown case, just as the Trayvon Martin case before this, is not being played out as one of excessive police force against the general population....something we see every day in topics on this board.

It's being played out as excessive force by a white officer on a black victim...the media are playing the race card, deliberately playing emotions to get whites to take the side of the police officer in the case. As I see it, whites and blacks alike are falling for it.

Congrats to Rudy. If you keep playing this as a white vs. black thing, the police can get away with doing what they do, and white Boobus will support their every move.

Intentionally or unintentionally, Dyson is doing exactly the same thing as Giuliani. Notice Dyson's rejoinder to Guiuliani:

“Black people who kill black people go to jail, White people who are policemen who kill black people do not go to jail,” Dyson said.

Now, the last time I checked, white people who kill white people go to jail, too - and policemen who kill anyone typically do NOT go to jail (regardless of the color of the policemen OR the color of their victims). Dyson should have said, "White or black policemen who kill white or black people do not go to jail" - or better yet, just, "Policemen who kill people do not go to jail." Instead, he chose to characterize it as a "race thing" when he could have expressed a much more unifying (and accurate) message free of the taint of racialistic "special pleading."

IOW: Giuliani and Dyson are both playing the "race card" (albeit from different directions) - and as a result, the vast forest of the lack of police accountability in general is ignored in favor of divisively focussing on the racial dimensions of particular trees.

SMDH. This is why we can't have nice, unified across-the-board opposition to unaccountable policing in this country ...

[Schifference]

I think most black people in Nigeria are killed by other black people.

[Dianne]

Well, Gouliani was correct.. We have all these government paid rioters ready to protest the shooting of one man by a police officer; when police officers kill people every day of all colors. Black on black crime is 93%, but the Al Sharpton paid peeps don't protest that. Police abuse people of all races, cultures and kill their pets .. the Police are not racists, they are equal opportunity killers. Regardless, we will probably have riots, because President Sharpton/Holder/Obama have paid for them. We will see.

[Antischism]

I don't think Giuliani understands socioeconomic issues.

[jonhowe]

Yes. They are violent because their genes are coded to create more/darker pigment in their skin.

That's exactly the problem.

It has nothing to do with the fact that generations of fathers have been unjustly targeted for victimless (drug) crimes. Or that identical resumes with 'black sounding' names get significantly fewer replies than resumes with 'white sounding' names. It's because they're black.

Got it, thanks Rudy. How's that reading list going? Do 'they' still hate 'us' for our 'freedom'?

[Dianne]

Yes. They are violent because their genes are coded to create more/darker pigment in their skin.

That's exactly the problem.

It has nothing to do with the fact that generations of fathers have been unjustly targeted for victimless (drug) crimes. Or that identical resumes with 'black sounding' names get significantly fewer replies than resumes with 'white sounding' names. It's because they're black.

Got it, thanks Rudy. How's that reading list going? Do 'they' still hate 'us' for our 'freedom'?

Sigh...... do you believe it's possible they are intentionally manipulated by the government to have 20% unemployment and nothing but time and hate on their minds? Can you imagine sitting around for 30 months, with nothing to do... applying for jobs and getting nowhere? The only way they can make a decent living is by running drugs.... Now Obama took that away from them with his own Mexican cartels. My point, this is an intentional, manipulated effort to stifle black Americans ... Obama is not a black man... he is a Muslim .... He could give a chit less about the blacks in America.... let alone the whites in America ... His loyalty is not towards America at all.

[DFF]

I can't believe I'm saying this given his history with Ron Paul, but...Giuliani is correct.

[Dianne]

I can't believe I'm saying this given his history with Ron Paul, but...Giuliani is correct.

I agree.. This is the first statement every made by Giuliani I ever believed.

[otherone]

Intentionally or unintentionally, Dyson is doing exactly the same thing as Giuliani. Notice Dyson's rejoinder to Guiuliani:

“Black people who kill black people go to jail, White people who are policemen who kill black people do not go to jail,” Dyson said.

Good point.

“Black people who kill black people go to jail, White people who are policemen who kill black people do not go to jail,” Dyson said.

[JK/SEA]

Stormfront infiltrating RPF?..

say it ain't so...

[Occam's Banana]

I can't believe I'm saying this given his history with Ron Paul, but...Giuliani is correct.

Given some of the other things you've said around here, I can believe you're saying it ...

[69360]

Giuliani is sort of right. They do bring it upon themselves with their behavior a majority of the time. Sometime it is bad cops though. Not in the Brown case though. That was cut and dried justified.

Statistically 1 in 3 black males will go to prison in their lifetime. This is much to high of a percentage to make any argument about prejudice or bias. It's learned behavior that needs to be modified. Nobody forces them to live in these areas or engage in crime.

I roll my eyes when bleeding heart liberals try to justify this sort of behavior.

[invisible]

Giuliani is sort of right. They do bring it upon themselves with their behavior a majority of the time. Sometime it is bad cops though. Not in the Brown case though. That was cut and dried justified.

Statistically 1 in 3 black males will go to prison in their lifetime. This is much to high of a percentage to make any argument about prejudice or bias. It's learned behavior that needs to be modified. Nobody forces them to live in these areas or engage in crime.

I roll my eyes when bleeding heart liberals try to justify this sort of behavior.

I wonder what the percentage is of people who live in trailers, that go to prison in their lifetime? I'll bet it's much too high of a percentage to make any argument about prejudice or bias. It's learned behavior, and people who live in trailers obviously need to have their behavior modified. Nobody forces them to live in a trailer, engage in crime, or engage in thinly veiled racial hatred.

[jonhowe]

Sigh...... do you believe it's possible they are intentionally manipulated by the government to have 20% unemployment and nothing but time and hate on their minds? Can you imagine sitting around for 30 months, with nothing to do... applying for jobs and getting nowhere? The only way they can make a decent living is by running drugs.... Now Obama took that away from them with his own Mexican cartels. My point, this is an intentional, manipulated effort to stifle black Americans ... Obama is not a black man... he is a Muslim .... He could give a chit less about the blacks in America.... let alone the whites in America ... His loyalty is not towards America at all.

I don't know where to begin with this.

Obama isn't black? He's a muslim? Obama stopped blacks from selling drugs and replaced them with mexicans?

WHAT?

There's certainly a manipulated effort to stifle black americans, just as there is an effort to fight against it. And of course, there's the leeches who just want money/fame (think "Reverend" Jackson, for example). But between those truths, everything else you said is, well, crazy. Especially the part about agreeing with Rudy!

The face of those trying to 'stifle black Americans' are the police. They are the one destroying families over recreational drug use (and trumped up charges of recreational drug use!). They are the ones putting blacks in cages for victimless crimes, creating an unending cycle of poverty in black communities. Urban poverty almost always translates to crime, and the cycle repeats.

[jonhowe]

Statistically 1 in 3 black males will go to prison in their lifetime. This is much to high of a percentage to make any argument about prejudice or bias. It's learned behavior that needs to be modified. Nobody forces them to live in these areas or engage in crime.

You have it EXACTLY backwards. The fact that the difference is so stark is evidence that there IS a prejudice and bias! In many cases, especially historically speaking, blacks WERE forced to live in these areas! Are you really this clueless to 20th century american history??

Anecdote: I live in a neighborhood of NYC that is 99% black or hispanic (but mostly black). I am white (see picture). Until they ended stop and frisk, I would see dozens of black kids stopped and frisked daily from my window (overlooking a small park). I often went to that park and was never stopped or frisked even once in 3 years. Until a year or so ago when I mostly gave it up, I often had marijuana on me. I was committing a crime. A black man with weed on him would be committing the same crime. But I never got stopped or caught; they did. My neighbor, who is actually turkish, but dark enough to qualify, got stopped often; he never smoked weed in his life!

My point is: you are saying incarceration rates are indicative of crime rates, and prove blacks commit more crimes. It actually proves (a point Ron often makes) that cops are biased towards arresting blacks for minor crimes.

[Occam's Banana]

Giuliani is sort of right. They do bring it upon themselves with their behavior a majority of the time. Sometime it is bad cops though. Not in the Brown case though. That was cut and dried justified.

Statistically 1 in 3 black males will go to prison in their lifetime. This is much to high of a percentage to make any argument about prejudice or bias. It's learned behavior that needs to be modified. Nobody forces them to live in these areas or engage in crime.

I roll my eyes when bleeding heart liberals try to justify this sort of behavior.

I guess it's a good thing that the government doesn't send anyone to prison unless they really deserve to be there.
I mean, if they did that, why, 1 in 2 black males might end up "learning the behavior" of "going to prison" ...

(Talk about "I roll my eyes when ..." - )

And, hey! I bet blacks "bring it upon themselves" when they are given longer sentences than whites for exactly the same crimes ... don't they?

[otherone]

Giuliani is sort of right. They do bring it upon themselves with their behavior a majority of the time.
Statistically 1 in 3 black males will go to prison in their lifetime. This is much to high of a percentage to make any argument about prejudice or bias. It's learned behavior that needs to be modified. Nobody forces them to live in these areas or engage in crime.
I roll my eyes when bleeding heart liberals try to justify this sort of behavior.

Statistically, men overwhelmingly commit more violent crime than women.

I roll my eyes when bleeding heart liberals try to justify this sort of behavior.

[DFF]

My point is: you are saying incarceration rates are indicative of crime rates, and prove blacks commit more crimes. It actually proves (a point Ron often makes) that cops are biased towards arresting blacks for minor crimes.

Yeah, white racism is the reason blacks have a disproportionate incarceration rate. Get the $#@! out of here with this bull$#@!.

[JK/SEA]

Yeah, white racism makes blacks commit crimes. Get the $#@! out of here with this bull$#@!.

so, you would favor ending the drug war then?

[DFF]

so, you would favor ending the drug war then?

Yes I would. I'm against people being locked up for drug possession. Robbery, murder and rape though, $#@! these people.

[Antischism]

Quit engaging the racist.

[Occam's Banana]

Quit engaging the racist.

Which one?

[JK/SEA]

Which one?

glad i'm not the only one seeing this influx of Stormfront babble...

[invisible]

Quit engaging the racist.

Racism always needs to be called out.