Obama's Amnesty to cost $2 Trillion over the next 5 decades

[NIU Students for Liberty]

Let's start it and end it with you.

So you complain about welfare but yet you want to give more power to the government through allowing it to block out the free market by restricting the movement of people.

If you were really that concerned with the growth of welfare, why wouldn't you support sterilization? But go ahead and continue to ignore my point and use them illegals as your scapegoat.

[NIU Students for Liberty]

As soon as they get a green card, they are eligible for every give away program this country has to offer. And you are absolutely incorrect they are not eligible for some of the benefits now. School systems throughout the country have been forced to accept all the children that came over this summer, expand classroom sizes and hire spanish speaking teachers to accomodate them at a tremendous expense. Then tax payers are paying for their housing. Also, you missed the fact that 40% of those on Medicaid are illegal immigrants.

You need to do a little bit of reading, because you are completely uninformed and misguided. I am for people like youself donating your money to for housing, education and medical care. Handle this through charity, not executive order.

Compared to other nationalities, Mexican immigrants are typically the last to receive green cards, so no, a majority of them are not eligible for benefits.

And if you are so concerned with the increasing cost of public education in this country, attack the problem at its source and not through immigration. Even if immigration was to return to its pre-2008 levels (before the economic collapse), children of immigrants would still only amount to a fraction of the education costs that existing American families and their children already present.

[Acala]

We could build an insurmountable wall around the border and gather up every single illegal and all their children and dump them on the other side and we would have done exactly nothing to solve the problems that are killing this country. Red Herring.

[Zippyjuan]

Compared to other nationalities, Mexican immigrants are typically the last to receive green cards, so no, a majority of them are not eligible for benefits.

And if you are so concerned with the increasing cost of public education in this country, attack the problem at its source and not through immigration. Even if immigration was to return to its pre-2008 levels (before the economic collapse), children of immigrants would still only amount to a fraction of the education costs that existing American families and their children already present.

The largest allocation of "green cards" is to go to people from countries "most underrepresented" in the US. That puts those from Mexico towards the bottom of the pile.

The number of illegal immigrants in the country is less than it was in 2007. Net immigration from Mexico has been zero (legal and illegal) for several years now. Asia is the current source of immigrants (legal and illegal) coming to the US.

[Danke]

Businesses to receive incentive for hiring illegal immigrants, report says



Nov. 25, 2014: President Obama addresses the crowd on issues surrounding the protests in Ferguson, Mo., after meeting with community leaders about the executive actions he is taking to fix the immigration system (AP)

Businesses will have a $3,000-per-employee incentive to hire illegal immigrants or native-born workers under President Obama’s sweeping action on illegal immigration.

Because of a kink in ObamaCare, businesses will not face a penalty for not providing illegal immigrants health care, The Washington Times reports. Illegal immigrants are ineligible for public benefits such as buying insurance on ObamaCare’s health exchanges.

Congressional aides condemned the loophole saying it puts illegal immigrants ahead of Americans in the job hunt.

“If it is true that the president’s actions give employers a $3,000 incentive to hire those who came here illegally, he has added insult to injury,” Rep. Lamar Smith, Texas Republican told The Washington Times. “The president’s actions would have just moved those who came here illegally to the front of the line, ahead of unemployed and underemployed Americans.”

Fighting hecklers in Chicago Tuesday, Obama praised the contributions to the U.S. by a broad patchwork of immigrants, saying it is imperative that the U.S. act now to change its broken immigration policy. He cited studies showing that immigrants open one-fourth of all new U.S. businesses and that 40 percent of Fortune 500 companies were founded by immigrants or their children.

"Being a nation of immigrants gives us this huge entrepreneurial advantage over other nations," he said.

Obama’s executive action could make nearly 5 million immigrants eligible to avoid deportation.

At issue is the extent of Obama's executive actions. The measures would apply to parents of U.S. citizens or of legal permanent residents. The parents would have to have lived in the U.S. for at least five years. Obama also expanded a program designed to extend deportation protections to immigrants who entered the U.S. illegally as children.

But in a blow to some immigrant activists, Obama did not provide protections for parents of such young immigrants who are known as Dreamers.

[Danke]

Illegal immigrants could receive Social Security, Medicare under Obama action

Federal law says that people who pay the taxes and are deemed “lawfully present in the United States” can collect benefits under those programs when they become eligible. They may also receive survivor and disability benefits.

“If they pay in, they can draw,” White House spokesman Shawn Turner said by e-mail.

Turner noted, however, that the estimated 5 million immigrants granted protection from deportation will not be eligible for other federal benefits such as student financial aid, food stamps or housing subsidies. Nor are they eligible to purchase health insurance through the federal health-care exchange under the Affordable Care Act.

Republicans said Tuesday that they were surprised that illegal immigrants covered by the president’s executive action would be in line to someday receive benefits under Social Security and Medicare, which are the cornerstones of government-provided economic security for elderly Americans...

...over the longer haul, he added, they are likely to draw more out of the system than they contribute — as is the case with nearly every Medicare recipient and with many Social Security recipients who worked low-paying jobs.

[Chester Copperpot]

this is one of the dumbest thread titles in the history of RPFs... 50 years.. really??? get real

[tod evans]

We could build an insurmountable wall around the border and gather up every single illegal and all their children and dump them on the other side and we would have done exactly nothing to solve the problems that are killing this country. Red Herring.

^^^^^^^^^^^^Yup! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[Dianne]

Illegal immigrants could receive Social Security, Medicare under Obama action

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...984_story.html

Obamacare offers firms $3,000 incentive to hire illegals over native-born workers

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ses-have-3000/

[alucard13mm]

Illegal immigrants could receive Social Security, Medicare under Obama action

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...984_story.html

Obamacare offers firms $3,000 incentive to hire illegals over native-born workers

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ses-have-3000/

All this for freedom eh? As I said before... we just lost a lot of progress. Whatever voters we won over in the last 10 years will be replaced with new voters that will vote for big government. Most people will vote for the party or politician that will give them the most free stuff or money.

[Southron]

All this for freedom eh? As I said before... we just lost a lot of progress. Whatever voters we won over in the last 10 years will be replaced with new voters that will vote for big government. Most people will vote for the party or politician that will give them the most free stuff or money.

If the people in power did not see this as a net benefit to them politically then they would have never allowed it to happen.

[Zippyjuan]

For an alien to qualify for Social Security: http://www.socialsecurity.gov/ssi/sp...n-citizens.htm

WHO IS A QUALIFIED ALIEN?

There are seven categories of qualified aliens. You are a qualified alien if the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) says you are in one of these categories:

Lawfully Admitted for Permanent Residence (LAPR) in the U.S., which includes"Amerasian immigrant" as defined in P.L. 100-202, with a class of admission AM-1 through AM-8;
Granted conditional entry under Section 203(a)(7) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) as in effect before April 1, 1980;
Paroled into the U.S. under Section 212(d)(5) of the INA for a period of at least one year;
Refugee admitted to the U.S. under Section 207 of the INA;
Granted asylum under Section 208 of the INA;
Deportation is being withheld under Section 243(h) of the INA, as in effect before April 1, 1997; or removal is being withheld under Section 241(b)(3) of the INA;
"Cuban and Haitian entrant" as defined in Section 501(e) of the Refugee Education Assistance Act of 1980 or in a status that is to be treated as a "Cuban/ Haitian entrant" for SSI purposes.
In addition, you can be a “deemed qualified alien” if, under certain circumstances, you, your child or parent were subjected to battery or extreme cruelty by a family member while in the United States.

UNDER WHAT CONDITIONS MAY A "QUALIFIED ALIEN" BE ELIGIBLE FOR SSI BENEFITS?

If you are in one of the seven "qualified alien" categories listed above, you may be eligible for SSI if you also meet one of the following conditions:

You were receiving SSI and lawfully residing in the U.S. on August 22, 1996.
You are LAPR with 40 qualifying quarters of work.
Work done by your spouse or parent may also count toward the 40 quarters of work, but only for getting SSI.

Quarters of work earned after December 31, 1996, cannot be counted if you, your spouse, or parent who worked, received certain benefits from the United States government, based on limited income and resources during that period.

IMPORTANT: If you entered the United States on or after August 22, 1996, then you may not be eligible for SSI for the first five years as an LAPR even if you have 40 qualifying quarters of coverage.
You are currently on active duty in the U.S. Armed Forces or you are an honorably discharged veteran and your discharge is not because you are an alien. This condition may also apply if you are the spouse, widow(er), or dependent child of certain U.S. military personnel.
You were lawfully residing in the U.S. on August 22, 1996 and you are blind or disabled.
You may receive SSI for a maximum of seven years from the date DHS granted you immigration status in one of the following categories, and the status was granted within seven years of filing for SSI:
Refugee under Section 207 of the INA;

Asylee under Section 208 of the INA;

Alien whose deportation was withheld under Section 243(h) of the INA or whose removal is withheld under Section 241(b)(3) of the INA;

"Cuban or Haitian entrant" under Section 501(e) of the Refugee Education Assistance Act of 1980 or in a status that is to be treated as a "Cuban/ Haitian entrant" for SSI purposes; or

"Amerasian immigrant" pursuant to P.L. 100-202, with a class of admission of AM-1 through AM-8.

NOTE
For purposes of SSI eligibility, individuals are not considered qualified aliens if they were admitted to the U.S. under the provisions of the Victims of Trafficking and Violence Protection Act of 2000. Their eligibility is subject to the proper certification in such status by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services and possession of a valid “T” non-immigrant visa. Once the alien obtains proper certification and is in possession of a T non-immigrant visa, he or she becomes potentially eligible for SSI.

So according to this, they need to have been in the country legally as of 1996 or have paid into Social Security for at least five years. The Obama rule does not grant legal status and the deportation freeze is expected to only last two years.

[Voluntarist]

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