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This is why I can't take anonymous seriously. That and the fact that they always seem to get it wrong. Why did the child need to be tasered in the first place? The way they word it, they tacitly admit that something needed to be done to the child. Let's all forget for a moment how we are supposed to expect that a 12-year-old pulled a fake gun on officers knowing it was fake. If you're 12, you should be able to realize 1) such a behavior will get you killed (especially if you're black) and 2) It won't accomplish anything except getting you killed.
Why, then, would a black 12 year old boy pull a fake gun on a police officer? The only tangible reason is that he was committing suicide by cop, and that is also a ridiculous, outlandish claim considering the fact that 1) he's 12, and 2) he was not the one who called the damn police!
There were other options besides using any kind of force on the boy, and the suggestion that anybody needed to force him to do anything is "Ludacris", as it were.
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Even 12 year olds? Are we really going to pontificate on what is wrong with a 12 year old who forgets some of the ridiculous ways society acts? The boy wasn't at fault here, at all. He wasn't supposed to have known better, as you seem to be suggesting. He was supposed to have been treated like a 12 your old rather than someone who knows better than to play with a toy gun. A 12 year old forgetting to consider the cultural sensitivities of playing with a certain toy... outlandish!
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I'll bet the kid was doing what probably caused Eric Scott to be shot in Las Vegas -- orders were being screamed at him to "drop the weapon!!! " and he reached for it to do that very thing. Damned if he did, damned if he didn't -- and it was all up to the officer to decide if he wanted to end his life right then , or not.
Cops really are becoming judge, jury, and executioner out on the streets. And then people wonder why some might question what happened to Michael Brown ...
This is a case of manslaughter at the very least, and if the cop isn't charged with something then buildings need to burn -- preferably .gov buildings or cop property though ... leave private property and innocent parties alone.
And yes, that may sound harsh, but what else will get their attention ? More SWLODs and more Facebook "Justice for ..." pages ?
Last edited by SeanTX; 11-25-2014 at 04:48 PM.
Protestors in Cleveland, blocking some roads and a lot of LOUD chanting, but no vandalism, looting or other violence.
Live feed:
http://www.wkyc.com/videos/homepage/2014/10/20/3311833/
"Sorry, fellows, the rebellion is off. We couldn't get a rebellion permit."
I am not blaming the boy here but just like with any rape, it never hurts to look back and see what we could have done differently to prevent being a victim. We have seen this story play over and over again, the 16yr old at walmart, the 16 yr old in Utah etc etc. If a 6 yr old can learn stranger danger then I don't think its that much unreasonable to teach a 12 yr old not to play with gun toys in public. I don't know about you but if I had a kid, I am will be telling him not to play with his toy gun outside the house.
Toys are not guns. We need to teach our cops that."Guns are not toys," [Police Chief Calvin Williams] said. "We need to teach our kids that."
Or a cordless drill ... http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...Cordless-Drill
Looks like instead of pontificating on what guns are not, they need to worry more about what are not guns ...
Last edited by Occam's Banana; 11-25-2014 at 07:24 PM.
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I think "toy guns" are terrible. I never bought my kids "toy guns". They got Red Ryder's at a very young age and were taught the basics of gun safety (treat the gun as if its always loaded, never point it at anything you don't want to shoot, know whats behind your target, finger off the trigger until you're ready to shoot, etc.). They were taught how handle real, heavy guns at a young age; how to get an adult if they there was a gun sitting out; how toy guns create bad habits, etc., etc. Even air soft guns and cap guns were treated like firearms ought to be.
Soooo...as it relates to this story, ALL children need to be taught proper gun safety and handling from a very young age so that two things happen: 1 - there are no more negligent discharges of firearms that kill curious kids fooling around with daddy's .38 and 2 - children learn the proper way to handle all guns and that waving it around, point it at people - even "toy" guns - is unacceptable.
Not at all excusing what happened here, but society is so callous to all the "toy" guns out there and then are shocked - SHOCKED - that other people take an exact replica seriously when a kid is waving it around and acting recklessly.
On the other side, even if the gun was real, the cops should first clear the area, secure perimeter and then defuse and/or wait it out or at least take defensive positions do they not scared $#@!less like a bunch of vaginas. The descalation training is non-existent as evidenced by their own actions.
TLDR - knock off this "toy gun" nonsense and stop shooting everything and anything that moves while yelling the common exonerables, "I was in fear for my life", "he wasn't dropping the object in the 12 microseconds I gave him to drop it", "he was coming right for us!"
($#@!...a 12 yd old kid dead...damnit, so depressing)
Last edited by ghengis86; 11-25-2014 at 07:59 PM.
Guns are not toys. We should teach our kids and parents that. I respectfully (seriously, not trying to be a dick) disagree with this sentiment.
I agree that cops shouldn't be shooting the $#@! out of kids even if they have toy guns, nerf guns, dart guns etc. I'm just more or less commenting on the crap society produces when we pretend that treating a lethal weapon as a toy is "ok".
(I might be a curmudgeonly stick in the mud, I know)
Last edited by ghengis86; 11-25-2014 at 08:02 PM.
This.
The kid reached for his weapon getting shot is probably the same as the guy who guy shot getting his driver's license, the same as the HUNDREDS OF BULL$#@! POLICE REPORTS OF SOMEONE LUNGING FOR THEIR WEAPON.
Two officers on the scene one yells, "HANDS UP!!" the other yells, "PUT YOUR WEAPON ON THE GROUND!!!"
Kid tries to put his weapon on the ground and is blown away.
I'd bet money that's the $#@!ing truth of the story. But the cops are smart enough to leave that bit of info out, and all you will see is a kid reaching for his toy and get blasted.
Sometimes trying to COMPLY with an officer's demands still gets you killed. I think all the talk of toy guns is useless. When 2 cops shout conflicting orders, YOU get shot. We've seen these cases on RPF dozens of times. And all those idiot comments on the news articles saying the kid deserved it, or the kid should know better are $#@!ing ignorant to realize the kid wasn't pulling out his weapon to threaten cops. $#@!ing ignorant if you believe what's in a police report. Kid was probably $#@!ting in his pants when the cops showed up and tried to follow their $#@!ed up orders.
You think the cops are going to put in the police report, "We shouted drop your weapon and when he took out the toy gun we shot him in the gut a few times." $#@! no. They feared for their safety, the kid didn't listen to our commands and lunged for the weapon. We had no choice. We are heroes with such a tough dangerous job...
It's a bad idea in general to treat a toy gun as a toy. It reinforces poor safety habits. Parents should have taught kid better.
Would have saved this brave, poor, cop from the misfortune of having to shoot a child for the protection of himself and everyone else at the park. So hero. Such brave.
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Ya, like this classic when instead of TWO officers saying CONFLICTING things, it's ONE officer giving conflicting commands.
Hero: "GET OUT OF THE CAR!! SHOW ME YOUR ID!!!" *BLAM* *BLAM*
Mundane: "Why did you shoot me??"
Hero: "You didn't listen to me, you went into your car!"
Mundane "Because you asked for my id!"
Why the Hero lost his job...Still is perplexing...Mundane didn't follow both of his orders, deserved to get shot.
They just had a press conference naming the officer, and I think the video is being released today too. Should be interesting to see if it will fan the flames of unrest.
Video has been released. Not good. Looks like cop jumped out of the car and immediately shot him dead. Police interaction starts around 7:10 mark of the vid.
http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index...elease_vi.html
Last edited by devil21; 11-26-2014 at 11:42 PM.
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"We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book
Stupid fuggin cop move anyway. Drive up net to a supposedly armed suspect and exit in his immediate line of fire? Should have pulled in at the curb and used the vehicle and doors as a shield while demanding him to drop the weapon. Fuggin dipshits. 12 yr. old dead. And NOTHING will come of it.
Sick $#@!! Shooting kids for playing with toys. WTF!
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So where are all the protests over this?
I haven't seen the video (couldn't get it to load) -- but I read elsewhere that the cop fell on his ass after firing the shot -- that's how quickly he fired after jumping out of a moving car -- if that's so, there is NO way the kid had time to respond to any command, or for the cop to give one ... manslaughter at the least.
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The Bastiat Collection · FREE PDF · FREE EPUB · PAPER Frédéric Bastiat (1801-1850)
- "When law and morality are in contradiction to each other, the citizen finds himself in the cruel alternative of either losing his moral sense, or of losing his respect for the law."
-- The Law (p. 54)- "Government is that great fiction, through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else."
-- Government (p. 99)- "[W]ar is always begun in the interest of the few, and at the expense of the many."
-- Economic Sophisms - Second Series (p. 312)- "There are two principles that can never be reconciled - Liberty and Constraint."
-- Harmonies of Political Economy - Book One (p. 447)· tu ne cede malis sed contra audentior ito ·
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