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    Cleveland cop shoots 12yo boy carrying BB gun



    FILE PHOTO: Cleveland Police patrol cars (REUTERS)

    A 12-year-old boy who according to police was armed has been shot and seriously injured in the stomach in an “officer involved shooting” at a recreation center in Cleveland, Ohio. The boy’s weapon turned out to be an air gun “resembling” real pistol.

    Police Patrolman's Association president Jeff Follmer said “the 12-year-old had a weapon,” according to Newsnet5 Cleveland, and he allegedly refused officer commands and reached into his waistband before being shot by an officer “relatively new” on the force.

    Upon further investigation, the boy’s “weapon” turned out to be an air gun “resembling a semi-automatic pistol, with the orange safety indicator removed,” the statement adds.

    The boy has been taken to MetroHealth Medical Center in critical condition while the facility has been taped off as police are investigating the incident.
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    Last edited by Natural Citizen; 11-22-2014 at 11:35 PM.



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    The Cuyahoga County Prosecutor’s Office was on scene for this investigation. Both officers will be placed on administrative leave as is protocol in officer involved shooting incidents.

    THIS MATTER WILL BE FURTHER INVESTIGATED
    https://clevelandpolice.wordpress.co...ed-shooting-3/

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    an air gun “resembling a semi-automatic pistol, with the orange safety indicator removed,” the statement adds.
    I wonder if people will start painting the tips of real guns safety orange...

    Might make the cops a little less trigger happy.

    -t

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    Close call. This could have turned out a lot worse.
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  7. #6
    ''drop the gun, drop the gun''!

    reaches to drop it...gets shot...

    thankyou Police.

    geezus...may as well give badges and guns to everyone in Mental Institutions......
    Last edited by JK/SEA; 11-23-2014 at 09:47 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JK/SEA View Post
    ''drop the gun, drop the gun''!

    reaches to drop it...gets shot...

    thankyou Police.

    geezus...may as well give badges and guns to everyone in Mental Institutions......
    That's what I bet happened.

    How the Cleveland Police Rushed To Get Their Story Straight About Cop Who Shot 12-Year-Old

    ...

    We were told that the child was in stable condition, according to the Cleveland EMS workers we spoke with. But police didn’t seem to even know that. Today, we were informed that the boy died, but we have yet to receive confirmation of this.: (I hope he's okay.)

    Then, their official press release painted a very vivid picture of a 12-year-old who was out to apparently gun down an officer with his… BB-gun.

    The statement read: “The Preliminary information reveals that witnesses reported that a male was in the playground area of the center, waiving a gun and pointing it at people.”

    But we were unable to find one witness who said such a thing. In fact, the police at first did not even say this, when we asked them point blank if the child had threatened anyone.

    “Upon arrival on scene, officers located the suspect and advised him to raise his hands,” the statement continues. “The suspect did not comply with the officers’ orders and reached to his waistband for the gun. Shots were fired and the suspect was struck in the torso.”

    Cleveland police are asking us to believe that an armed police officer drew a gun on a 12-year-old who was armed only with a toy weapon, and instead of complying or even ignoring the officer, the child reached for the gun to presumably aim it at the officer?

    The Cleveland police are essentially asking us to believe that this 12-year-old was at the park for the purposes of “Suicide-by-cop.” Clearly no 12-year-old would think that they could get in a real shoot out with an officer, if they were armed only with a BB-gun. So the purpose of allegedly drawing the gun would only be to have the officer shoot him. That is the implication that the Cleveland Police Department’s official statement makes regarding this shooting.

    But the problem is that they not only are asking us to believe this far-fetched idea, they are asking us to believe that their story is true, even when it took the release of our viral article on the shooting to prompt them to piece together a response.

    When police officers ask a citizen to explain what happened when they shoot someone – allegedly in self-defense – then it is almost a tacit implication of guilty if they remain silent for hours, while piecing together what they consider to be a believable account.

    So far, there has yet to be one single witness who has come forward to corroborate the official police version of events. Yet we are suppose to believe the officer’s story that paints a 12-year-old with a BB-gun as a deranged maniac out to trick officers into believing his gun was real. It seems slightly more realistic that police are covering their tracks, as they always do when they shoot someone who turns out to have been unarmed, and their story – as unbelievable and ridiculous as it is – was what they could come up with on short notice, thanks to the pressure circulation of our report on the shooting was putting on them.
    http://countercurrentnews.com/2014/1...e-had-to-rush/

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    he obviously charged the officer
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    Quote Originally Posted by squarepusher View Post
    he obviously charged the officer
    this 12 year old must have been 6' 5'' 250 lb.

    scary....shudders....shoot the punk...there, i feel safer now.

  12. #10
    The kid is dead. The 911 call is here:

    http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index...by_clevel.html
    "He's carrying a pistol"
    "Pointing it at everybody"
    "Its probably fake, but he's scaring the $#@! out of everybody"
    "He's sitting on a swing pointing it at people"
    "I don't know if its real or not"

    The caller's doubt was never relayed to the responding officers

    'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988

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    with the orange safety indicator removed
    I'd like to note that "orange tips" are federally mandated on airsoft guns that shoot plastic pellets... not bb guns that shoot 177 metal balls.

    Also, don't confuse bb guns with airsoft guns because they are two completely different products.

    Airsoft guns [] require a federally mandated orange tip to distinguish them from firearms and airguns.
    http://www.airgundepot.com/bb-guns.html

    'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988

    Awareness is the Root of Liberation Revolution is Action upon Revelation

    'Resistance and Disobedience in Economic Activity is the Most Moral Human Action Possible' - SEK3

    Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.

    ...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
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    Here's the kids airsoft gun:



    Which is a replica of a Sig Sauer 1911



    Available here for $39:

    http://www.evike.com/products/27061/


    'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988

    Awareness is the Root of Liberation Revolution is Action upon Revelation

    'Resistance and Disobedience in Economic Activity is the Most Moral Human Action Possible' - SEK3

    Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.

    ...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
    ...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...


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    Had that gun been real, and the child actually knew how to shoot it, a cop could have been killed. More likely just injured, but a cop could have been killed.

    I'm sorry, but if you ask me to choose between the lives of a hero and a small child, I'll go with the hero every time.
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    before being shot by an officer “relatively new” on the force
    Damn, that sucks that he had to shoot a small child so early in his career. It usually doesn't happen until a least a few years into it.
    It's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bxm042 View Post
    Damn, that sucks that he had to shoot a small child so early in his career. It usually doesn't happen until a least a few years into it.
    Yep, but he was following procedure, so he was well trained.

    And so far, the most relevant information has been left out of the story. We need to know the race of the police officer and the child before we can determine whether this was justified or not.
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  18. #16
    Quote Originally Posted by bxm042 View Post
    Close call. This could have turned out a lot worse.
    Yeah, the kid could have put somebody's eye out.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Yep, but he was following procedure, so he was well trained.

    And so far, the most relevant information has been left out of the story. We need to know the race of the police officer and the child before we can determine whether this was justified or not.

    In the 911 call the kid was described as black.

    The man described the child as black
    http://www.newsnet5.com/news/local-n...r-on-west-side




    nbc confirms it was a airsoft toy

    Cops Shoot Boy, 12, Carrying 'Airsoft' Toy Gun


    'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988

    Awareness is the Root of Liberation Revolution is Action upon Revelation

    'Resistance and Disobedience in Economic Activity is the Most Moral Human Action Possible' - SEK3

    Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.

    ...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
    ...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Yep, but he was following procedure, so he was well trained.

    And so far, the most relevant information has been left out of the story. We need to know the race of the police officer and the child before we can determine whether this was justified or not.
    Get real! This is the North East. They never mention race. That would be...

    RACIST!!!!!

    -t

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    Quote Originally Posted by presence View Post
    In the 911 call the kid was described as black.


    http://www.newsnet5.com/news/local-n...r-on-west-side




    nbc confirms it was a airsoft toy

    Cops Shoot Boy, 12, Carrying 'Airsoft' Toy Gun
    Well, that changes everything. Obviously a deranged terrorist out to shoot up the neighborhood.

    -t

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    How is it that we have the right to BEAR arms... yet when someone reaches for their gun it warrants summary execution?

    Shouldn't there have to be a threat? Menacing?

    'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988

    Awareness is the Root of Liberation Revolution is Action upon Revelation

    'Resistance and Disobedience in Economic Activity is the Most Moral Human Action Possible' - SEK3

    Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.

    ...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
    ...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...


  24. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by presence View Post
    How is it that we have the right to BEAR arms... yet when someone reaches for their gun it warrants summary execution?

    Shouldn't there have to be a threat? Menacing?
    Yeah, but cops have guns and don't get to use them as much as they would like to.

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    In before 69360 says this kid's death was justified because it happened in a city.
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    “Upon arrival on scene, officers located the suspect and advised him to raise his hands,” the statement continues. “The suspect did not comply with the officers’ orders and reached to his waistband for the gun. Shots were fired and the suspect was struck in the torso.”
    The curious grammar of police shootings.

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...police+reports

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    Cop shoots and kills 12yo boy with toy gun on playground

    No hesitation targets sure do work, don't they?

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/b...ficer-27117739

    A 12-year-old boy brandishing what turned out to be a replica gun died Sunday after he was shot by a Cleveland police officer responding to a 911 call about a person waving a gun at a playground.

    Deputy Chief Ed Tomba said the officer fired twice after the boy pulled the fake weapon ? which was lacking the orange safety indicator usually on the muzzle ? from his waistband. The boy did not make any verbal threats toward the officer or point the gun, but he reached into his waistband and grabbed it after being told to raise his hands, Tomba said.

    "That's when the officer fired," he said.
    more at link
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    'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988

    Awareness is the Root of Liberation Revolution is Action upon Revelation

    'Resistance and Disobedience in Economic Activity is the Most Moral Human Action Possible' - SEK3

    Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.

    ...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
    ...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...


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    Quote Originally Posted by presence View Post
    subforum hell. new article confirms his death, at least.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

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    another one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aGameOfThrones View Post
    another one.
    Let's not forget the other Ohio shooting a while back, where the guy in the Walmart was shot because he was leaning on an air rifle while talking on the phone. There should be riots over that, but there won't be ...

  33. #29
    Fearing for his life means ending someone elses, i guess i can't accuse him of being fearless.
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  34. #30
    How could any child die from an actual gunshot at school if
    all guns (and even gun-shaped Pop Tarts) are already completely
    banned every school ground?

    Maybe the voters are going to have to take guns away from
    the police in that town.

    Who gave the kid that toy gun and let him take it to school?
    (Don't they know it's not 1948 so kids can't bring loaded
    guns to school anymore.)

    Who called 911? Were they thanked?

    +++

    I imagine no one is happy about this, especially the kid's
    parents. I'm so sorry for them....

    I don't know what to call it, but after feeling angry, sad
    and disgusted over this, now I can't feel anything at all.

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