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    The USS Liberty Truthers Were Right. Guess What? So are the 9/11 Ones

    So the problem with the crazy conspiracy troofers is it turns out they were right. Declassified Israeli cables and even the Jerusalem Post confirm that Israel attacked USS Liberty deliberately, it was not an accident. What? Forty years of saying no flag was visible on the LIberty and that it was an "accident" was a lie?

    Fox News: "Ex-Navy Official: 1967 Israeli Attack on U.S. Ship Was Deliberate"

    [Former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Admiral Thomas] Moorer's panel suggested several possible reasons Israel might have wanted to attack a U.S. ship. Among them: Israel intended to sink the ship and blame Egypt because it might have brought the United States into the 1967 war.

    It's called a false flag attack, exactly what "truthers" have been saying. That's also what Truthers say about 9/11.

    For people who don't believe the official story about 9/11, the only question is who and why. For those who do, you need 9/11 101, and that's okay. The Lavon Affair was designed to keep troops friendly to Israel in Egypt, by bombing the UK and American embassies. No CT. Settled history. An Israeli defense minister had to resign over it.

    USS Liberty, Lavon Affair. Anyone see a pattern here? Stab an ally in the back, blame Muslims. Then watch him do your fighting for you.

    In the documentary of USS Liberty survivors The Day Israel Attacked America, the survivors who were attacked exonerate the Jewish people. Find out the criminals who did it, and set history straight.

    For why Israel would want America in Iraq and the Middle East as a result of 9/11, we only need to look at the words of Zionist hawks within the Bush administration who were in key positions on 9/11. That means Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Dov Zakheim, Douglas Feith, Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, Scooter Libby, Eliot Abrams, full list here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project...administration

    In 1998 Feith and Perle wrote a paper for Netanyahu, repeating the Israeli Neocon plan to bust up the Arab states into Sunni and Shiite warring factions, exactly what is happening today:

    "Israel can shape its strategic environment, in cooperation with Turkey and Jordan, by weakening, containing, and even rolling back Syria. This effort can focus on removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq an important Israeli strategic objective in its own right..." - "A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm."



    These guys were the Project for a New American Century "crazies" in Colin Powell's words. Note they occupied the levels of government necessary to manipulate the scheduling of the multiple war games which put most of the fighter interceptor fleet over Canada and the North Atlantic on 9/11, a major shortcoming in the air defenses never addressed by the 9/11 Commission.

    And of course, Project for a New American Century member Dick Cheney allowed the incoming aircraft assumed to be Flight 77 to hit the Pentagon, when he had it locked on radar and was being asked if it should be shot down as it approached. If the "standing orders" had been shoot-down orders then it would have been shot down, therefore Cheney was being asked to countermand a stand-down order, 9/11 Commission Report. The Pentagon was hit a full half hour after the second tower had been hit, and all aircraft heading for protected airspace and not identifying themselves had to be assumed to be hostile.

    The keys to the kingdom, and Israeli Mossad to step in and do the dirty work for 9/11. How much evidence do Americans need that false flag attacks are real?

    If you don't believe it, listen to the USS Liberty survivors below. The same people who were calling USS Liberty "troofers" crazy and merely anti-semitic are the calling the 9/11 truthers crazy too. But guess what? The USS Liberty "troofers were right." And so are the 9/11 ones. Please sit down and study these. Unless we want to be the last free generation in America.

    New documentary The Day Israel Attacked America - The Survivors Speak


    Dr. Alan Sabrosky, former Director of Studies at US Army War College, General of the Army Douglas MacArthur Chair of Research, makes argument that CIA and Israeli Mossad did 9/11. Same pattern: drag US into Israel's wars in Middle East.
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    Press TV is state-funded[11] and is a division of the Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting (IRIB). IRIB is independent of the Iranian government, but is said to be close to the country's conservative political faction, especially the elite Revolutionary Guards.[2] Its head is appointed directly by the supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.[2] PressTV headquarters are located in Tehran, Iran.
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    The problem with your logic is Dr. Alan Sabrosky isn't PressTV. He is former Director of Studies at US Army War College, and holder of the General of the Army Douglas MacArthur Chair of Research.

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    But for that matter PressTV is no more a state run propaganda organ than American TV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James_Madison_Lives View Post
    The problem with your logic is Dr. Alan Sabrosky isn't PressTV. He is former Director of Studies at US Army War College, and holder of the General of the Army Douglas MacArthur Chair of Research.
    Not true according to this.

    https://www.metabunk.org/threads/alan-sabrosky.3760/
    Last edited by TaftFan; 11-19-2014 at 11:08 PM.

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    Nice job of "sliding" there.

    Here is what should be kept at the forefront:

    Declassified Israeli cables add evidence USS Liberty no accident

    By Ralph Lopez Nov 14, 2014 in World

    http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/w...article/414951

    A Special Report by the Chicago Tribune details declassified cables, from the Israeli State Archive, which add further evidence that Israel knew it was attacking an American ship as it attacked the USS Liberty.

    Last month, a new documentary broadcast a tape for the first time, of Israeli military transmissions during the attack, which established that the ship was confirmed to be U.S. by 2:14pm that day, local time. The timeline of the attack establishes that the attack continued for another hour after that time.
    The point being, that the crazy conspiracy theorists were, once again, right all along.

    And we'll (I consider myself an unrepentant 9/11 "truther") be shown to be right about 9/11.

    50 odd years from now, when nobody knows or cares or gives a $#@!, when the AmeriKa is full blown police state with "hot tyranny" on the streets and total corruption in the ruling class, due to, in no small part, the actions taken by government after 9/11 and justified by the alleged events of that day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Nice job of "sliding" there.

    Here is what should be kept at the forefront:



    The point being, that the crazy conspiracy theorists were, once again, right all along.

    And we'll (I consider myself an unrepentant 9/11 "truther") be shown to be right about 9/11.

    50 odd years from now, when nobody knows or cares or gives a $#@!, when the AmeriKa is full blown police state with "hot tyranny" on the streets and total corruption in the ruling class, due to, in no small part, the actions taken by government after 9/11 and justified by the alleged events of that day.
    Correct. It's a pattern. The false flag attack is a standard tool of Israeli foreign policy, going at least as far back as the Lavon Affair when Mossad planted bombs in the American and British embassies and then fingered the Muslim Brotherhood. From Wiki:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair
    The Lavon Affair refers to a failed Israeli covert operation, code named Operation Susannah, conducted in Egypt in the Summer of 1954. As part of the false flag operation,[1] a group of Egyptian Jews were recruited by Israeli military intelligence to plant bombs inside Egyptian, American and British-owned civilian targets, cinemas, libraries and American educational centers. The bombs were timed to detonate several hours after closing time. The attacks were to be blamed on the Muslim Brotherhood, Egyptian Communists, "unspecified malcontents" or "local nationalists" with the aim of creating a climate of sufficient violence and instability to induce the British government to retain its occupying troops in Egypt's Suez Canal zone.
    The USS Liberty was another, intended to draw the US into war against Egypt in the middle of the Six Day War, but it failed when the sailors of the Liberty wouldn't let their ship sink, thus leaving witnesses. That's when the "accident" cover-up was concocted.

    Now on 9/11 anyone with a brain knows by now that 3 towers built to support five times their weight don't fall in seconds because an airplane hit them (one not even hit.) They only question remaining is WHO and WHY. The answer is in the perpetrators' own words, it's not as if they've been making any secret of their desires to overthrow Saddam and remake the map of the Middle East through years of bloody murder and regime change.

    From Project for a New American Century, "Rebuilding America's Defenses":
    "Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event––like a new Pearl Harbor"
    Who was Project for a New American Century? It was the Neocon "crazies" in the Bush White House, Colin Powell's words, who were all ready with a plan to invade Iraq the day after 9/11, Dick Cheney, Douglas Feith, Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, Scooter Libby, Eliot Abrams, full list here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project...administration

    In 1998 Feith and Perle wrote a paper for Netantahu repeating the age-old Israeli Neocon plan to bust up the Arab states into Sunni and Shiite warring factions, exactly what is happening today:

    "Israel can shape its strategic environment, in cooperation with Turkey and Jordan, by weakening, containing, and even rolling back Syria. This effort can focus on removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq an important Israeli strategic objective in its own right..." - "A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm."
    The paper says "an important Israeli objective." But Israel has nowhere near the land army needed to knock out Saddam and occupy Iraq. Only one country does: the US. Maybe Feith and Perle already knew the US would be in Iraq someday.

    Then confirmed Mossad agents are arrested dancing and high-fiving in NYC, filming the towers as they burned, and they are caught driving around in vans filled with explosives. But somehow it's already getting blamed on bin Laden (who denies it) and 19 Arab party boys.

    Iraq today isn't a "disaster" which is the media meme. It's exactly what was planned: a weak, divided, mess unable to oppose Israeli regional ambitions. And American boys did the dying, dying the crappiest deaths you can imagine, rolling out of Humvees screaming and on fire, where the best thing your buddies could do was let you die because of the pain you would be in for the rest of your life if you lived.

    Police scanner audio and the "dancing Israelis":
    Last edited by James_Madison_Lives; 11-20-2014 at 06:16 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James_Madison_Lives View Post
    a group of Egyptian Jews were recruited by Israeli military intelligence...
    I wonder if they were paid or if they just did it out of tribe loyalty.



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    You know, I've heard better coverage of wars and domestic affairs on evil "state-sanctioned" PressTV and Russia Today than any of the private US MSM.

    ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN...and so on, are all in lockstep regarding US foreign policy. There is no fundamental difference between them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    I'm not we can trust PressTV, US TV supported mideast interventions/freedom wars and PressTV was critical of them.
    If the Pope went on the cartoon channel and spoke you wouldn't be listening to the cartoon channel, you'd be listening to the Pope. You are confusing the medium with the messenger.

    In this case a former Director of Studies at US Army War College, Dr. Alan Sabrosky. His teaching and research appointments have included the United States Military Academy, the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), Middlebury College and Catholic University; adjunct professorships at Georgetown University and the Johns Hopkins University School of Advanced International Studies (SAIS).

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    Cui bono?


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    Quote Originally Posted by DFF View Post
    You know, I've heard better coverage of wars and domestic affairs on evil "state-sanctioned" PressTV and Russia Today than any of the private US MSM.

    ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN...and so on, are all in lockstep regarding US foreign policy. There is no fundamental difference between them.
    The latter are actually worse for they pretend to be private.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James_Madison_Lives View Post
    In this case a former Director of Studies at US Army War College, Dr. Alan Sabrosky.
    According to the Press Office of the Army War College, in the mid-1980s, Sabrosky served as a civilian administrator at a research department of the college, supervising the publication of papers written within that department. His job title was "Director of Studies" because he supervised publishing studies done within a department of the college. He was a mid-level civilian manager at a military college, without access to the sort of highly classified material of the sort he now fraudulently claims to have.
    http://adamholland.blogspot.com/2010...f-us-jews.html


    The rest of the claims are similarly dubious. For example, he's not on the emeritus faculty list at Johns Hopkins:
    http://www.sais-jhu.edu/faculty-dire...ty_type_tid_1=

    Here's the best list of stuff he's published that I can find. You can judge for yourself:
    http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_st_da...date-desc-rank
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Nice job of "sliding" there.

    Here is what should be kept at the forefront:



    The point being, that the crazy conspiracy theorists were, once again, right all along.

    And we'll (I consider myself an unrepentant 9/11 "truther") be shown to be right about 9/11.

    50 odd years from now, when nobody knows or cares or gives a $#@!, when the AmeriKa is full blown police state with "hot tyranny" on the streets and total corruption in the ruling class, due to, in no small part, the actions taken by government after 9/11 and justified by the alleged events of that day.
    Reichstang fire?

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    Quote Originally Posted by James_Madison_Lives View Post
    If the Pope went on the cartoon channel and spoke you wouldn't be listening to the cartoon channel, you'd be listening to the Pope. You are confusing the medium with the messenger.

    In this case a former Director of Studies at US Army War College, Dr. Alan Sabrosky. His teaching and research appointments have included the United States Military Academy, the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), Middlebury College and Catholic University; adjunct professorships at Georgetown University and the Johns Hopkins University School of Advanced International Studies (SAIS).
    TWS (that was sarcasm).



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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    TWS (that was sarcasm).
    uhhoh. Well anyhow Sabrosky bases his assertion not only on his conversations with brass military and intel, but in this video makes a pretty common sense argument based on three elements, access, ability, and motivation. A combination of rogue CIA and Israeli Mossad meets all three. He says only a few covert ops organizations in the world have the technology and expertise to pull off three fairly sophisticated demolitions, stand-down the air defenses, remote crash the planes, get rid of the evidence, etc. in a hugely complex operation. Then there's the cover-up, every big network and newspaper in your pocket because if they fall out of line they get anthrax letters.

    Here is a former German Inteliigence and Defense Minister, Andreas Von Bulow, describing how and why these things are done. He says these nutballs think they are always at war and a few casualties on your side are "acceptable" in war.

    Andreas Von Bulow:

    "Planning the attacks was a master deed, in technical and organizational terms. To hijack four big airliners within a few minutes and fly them into targets within a single hour and doing so on complicated flight routes! That is unthinkable, without backing from the secret apparatuses of state and industry."

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post

    Here's the best list of stuff he's published that I can find. You can judge for yourself:
    http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_st_da...date-desc-rank
    That is actually a fairly impressive list of publications. He's an academic so these are policy wonk journals. In one he is a co-author with Paul Warnke, the chief arms control negotiator under Jimmy Carter. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Warnke

    You can't successfully attack Sabrosky's creds, you'll have to think of another approach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James_Madison_Lives View Post
    That is actually a fairly impressive list of publications.
    Did you look at the topics? Do they establish any credibility? Are they at all related to what he's talking about now that he's a generic "truther scientist?"
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    If this is confirmed, it would shatter the aipac sponsored notion that zionists/zionist regime care deeply about US interests and those of US troops as the closest ally in the whole wide world.

    Related

    Motives behind Israel and ISIS attacks against Syria
    We had learnt about Israel's motives for attacking Syria over the years but what are motives of ISIS for attacking christian friendly secular regime of Syria? Do the two have same motives & goals?

    Adm. Thomas Moorer, writing in the July-August 1997 issue of The Link magazine:
    "Israel was preparing to seize the Golan Heights from Syria despite President Johnson's known opposition to such a move.... And I believe [Israeli Defense Minister] Moshe Dayan concluded that he could prevent Washington from becoming aware of what Israel was up to by destroying the primary source of acquiring that information - the USS Liberty."

    Source: The Link, July-August 1997

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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    If this is confirmed, it would shatter the aipac sponsored notion that zionists/zionist regime care deeply about US interests and those of US troops as the closest ally in the whole wide world.
    There is already enough evidence to present to a grand jury. Dick Cheney's behavior in the command bunker just before flt 77 hit the Pentagon is already in the 9/11 Commission Report. Leon Mineta who was US Secretary of Transportation told the commission that Cheney didn't shoot down flt 77 even though he had it locked on radar.

    Mineta to Commission
    :

    There was a young man who had come in and said to the vice president, "The plane is 50 miles out. The plane is 30 miles out." And when it got down to, "The plane is 10 miles out," the young man also said to the vice president, "Do the orders still stand?" And the vice president turned and whipped his neck around and said, "Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?"


    Cheney is suspect number one, espacially as he took charge when he wasn't even in the chain of command. Number 2 after commander in chief is SecDef, in this case Rumsfeld. While we're at it we can also sit Rumsfeld down and ask what he was doing taking photo ops on the Pentagon lawn when he was supposed to be in charge and directing the air defenses. http://www.historycommons.org/contex...ldoutofcontact

    Then you could always take another approach, start with Rudy Giuliani who ordered all the steel evidence shipped to China and melted under his authority as Mayor of New York. Ask him who ordered it, and work up the ladder.

    While we are at it we could also ask Rudy why he ran like a yellow-bellied rat when he had been warned that the first tower was about to blow instead of telling everybody and saving lives. See the NYC firefighters below.





    As for Israel's role, we could start by asking Mike Chertoff who was head of Crminal Division at DOJ why he deported the confirmed Mossad agents who were caught high-fiving and filming the towers as they burned. See below.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James_Madison_Lives View Post
    So the problem with the crazy conspiracy troofers is it turns out they were right. Declassified Israeli cables show Israel attacked USS Liberty deliberately, it was not an accident, and the latest desperate fall-back position is "it was a spy ship." Which it was.

    What? Forty years of saying no flag was visible on the LIberty and that it was an accident was a lie? That still admits that it was deliberate, and the only question is why.
    I'll stick with Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Moorer: The plan was to sink the Liberty, blame Egypt, and draw the US into war on the Israeli side, by cold-bloodedly murdering hundreds of Americans. It's called a false flag attack, exactly what "truthers" have been saying. That's also what many Truthers say about 9/11 (with help from a Cheney faction of the CIA.)

    In both cases the object is a blame an enemy so the United States will obliterate him. A third example of this tactic by Israel is the Lavon Affair, when Mossad planted bombs in the American and British embassies in order to get British troops to stay. A defense minister was forced to resign over the it.

    Now that the veil of lies is coming unglued, guess what else Israeli Mossad was behind? Dr. Alan Sabrosky, former Director of Studies at US Army War College, General of the Army Douglas MacArthur Chair of Research, makes argument that CIA and Israeli Mossad did 9/11. Same pattern: drag US into Israel's wars in Middle East.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    50 odd years from now, when nobody knows or cares or gives a $#@!, when the AmeriKa is full blown police state with "hot tyranny" on the streets and total corruption in the ruling class, due to, in no small part, the actions taken by government after 9/11 and justified by the alleged events of that day.
    And acceded to by the timid and hopelessly corrupt majority of the American public from at least two sigmas to the "right" of the meaner, all the way to the bottom of the feces-clogged barrel.
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    Will you Israeli apologists ever quit?



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    I don't know how you can say its a false flag, the idea behind a false flag is to not get indentified and moreover to get the blame placed on someone else. Maybe with a submarine, but not a bomber plane.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dillo View Post
    I don't know how you can say its a false flag, the idea behind a false flag is to not get indentified and moreover to get the blame placed on someone else. Maybe with a submarine, but not a bomber plane.
    Again Israel's plan was to sink the Liberty, kill all the sailors and leave no witnesses. That is why they machine-gunned the life rafts.

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    USS Liberty Truthers come up with the truth of what LBJ did?

    Doesn't seem to me that you got the truth unless you got an explanation of LBJ's actions, which were key to the whole thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James_Madison_Lives View Post

    In this case a former Director of Studies at US Army War College, Dr. Alan Sabrosky. His teaching and research appointments have included the United States Military Academy, the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), Middlebury College and Catholic University; adjunct professorships at Georgetown University and the Johns Hopkins University School of Advanced International Studies (SAIS).
    What does director of studies at US Army War College do? Not what you think. It's like when Obama calls himself a constitutional scholar: "Sabrosky served as a civilian administrator at a research department of the college, supervising the publication of papers written within that department. His job title was "Director of Studies" because he supervised publishing studies done within a department of the college. He was a mid-level civilian manager at a military college..."

    A few teaching positions at middle tier colleges, and giving a couple of lectures of Georgetown does NOT get one access to classified information that Israel did 9/11. NO position at the US Army War College would get one access to such information!

    Quote Originally Posted by DFF View Post
    You know, I've heard better coverage of wars and domestic affairs on evil "state-sanctioned" PressTV and Russia Today than any of the private US MSM.

    ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN...and so on, are all in lockstep regarding US foreign policy. There is no fundamental difference between them.
    But you won't see RT report fairly about internal russian issues (persecution of minorities, the police state they have in effect, etc). The US is acting badly enough that RT needs merely report on it without filter, but that does NOT make them unbiased or a good source of real news.
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    Quote Originally Posted by James_Madison_Lives View Post
    Well anyhow Sabrosky bases his assertion not only on his conversations with brass military and intel, but in this video makes a pretty common sense argument based on three elements, access, ability, and motivation. A combination of rogue CIA and Israeli Mossad meets all three. He says only a few covert ops organizations in the world have the technology and expertise to pull off three fairly sophisticated demolitions, stand-down the air defenses, remote crash the planes, get rid of the evidence, etc. in a hugely complex operation.
    There is no evidence Sabrosky had ANY connections with "top brass" or access to "intel". And there is no evidence of demolitions or remote crashes on 9/11.

    Whatever video you're about to post, I've already seen it.



    EDIT: How does a forum dedicated to Ron Paul manage to veer so far away from his foreign policy?
    The more prohibitions you have,
    the less virtuous people will be.
    The more weapons you have,
    the less secure people will be.
    The more subsidies you have,
    the less self-reliant people will be.

    Therefore the Master says:
    I let go of the law,
    and people become honest.
    I let go of economics,
    and people become prosperous.
    I let go of religion,
    and people become serene.
    I let go of all desire for the common good,
    and the good becomes common as grass.

    -Tao Te Ching, Section 57

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Nice job of "sliding" there.

    Here is what should be kept at the forefront:

    Declassified Israeli cables add evidence USS Liberty no accident

    By Ralph Lopez Nov 14, 2014 in World

    http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/w...article/414951

    A Special Report by the Chicago Tribune details declassified cables, from the Israeli State Archive, which add further evidence that Israel knew it was attacking an American ship as it attacked the USS Liberty.

    Last month, a new documentary broadcast a tape for the first time, of Israeli military transmissions during the attack, which established that the ship was confirmed to be U.S. by 2:14pm that day, local time. The timeline of the attack establishes that the attack continued for another hour after that time.


    The point being, that the crazy conspiracy theorists were, once again, right all along.

    And we'll (I consider myself an unrepentant 9/11 "truther") be shown to be right about 9/11.

    50 odd years from now, when nobody knows or cares or gives a $#@!, when the AmeriKa is full blown police state with "hot tyranny" on the streets and total corruption in the ruling class, due to, in no small part, the actions taken by government after 9/11 and justified by the alleged events of that day.
    ^This

    Quote Originally Posted by jonhowe View Post
    There is no evidence Sabrosky had ANY connections with "top brass" or access to "intel".
    Okay. So? Does that "debunk" the declassified cables? Rhetorical question.

    And there is no evidence of demolitions or remote crashes on 9/11.
    Actually there is. Check my sig. You might not agree with the conclusions of said evidence but to say it doesn't exist at this point is dishonest.


    Whatever video you're about to post, I've already seen it.



    EDIT: How does a forum dedicated to Ron Paul manage to veer so far away from his foreign policy?
    Ummm...huh? I didn't know Ron Paul's foreign policy was dedicated to AIPAC. Seriously facts are facts and foreign policy is foreign policy. If the USS Liberty attack was deliberate, and it seems that it might have been, discussing that in no way "veers" away from Ron Paul's foreign policy.

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