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One time, at a Tom Petty concert, Tom tripped over a microphone stand, knocking it over. A Grassroots Liason ran out there, picked it back up, and gave the "OK" sign to Tom Petty. I don't think he noticed the "OK", but the Grassroots Liason then ran back off the stage.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
I personally knocked/talked and delivered info to a few hundred houses of registered voters in '08 along with the local group we hit thousands total. The precincts we hit hardest had virtually zero difference in primary day vote % to the precincts we didn't hit at all. just saying...
And then proceed to tell you how you're doing it all wrong.Do not pose for photos with Matt Collins or he will claim credit for what you do.
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Yea same experience, and probably in the same geographic area. Never would do that again... sending a mailer is much better. Door to door really only makes sense for local candidates.
On another note I'm inclined to believe the collins because 1) public callouts are kinda lame and 2) there's no proof he was the one who added that to the wiki
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H. L. Mencken said it best:
“Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard.”
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
They aren't designed for political junkies/activists. They are to hit the people who don't really follow politics. When it comes to local races I know little to nothing about, mailers have influenced me a couple times before.
They also are more effective when targeted correctly. If you get a list of all voters who rank gun control as a top issue, and then send them a mailer about gun control, that's a lot more effective than just bombing the generic ones to everyone.
I constantly hear people say mailers do work. I'm ambivalent on them. #1 reason is because they are expensive as all get out. I have to sell my soul to send a mailer. Period.
I also think door to door is marginally effective (for local candidates). The precincts I walked DID go my way over my opponents or got me within 2 points.
Being active and involved in your community is your best focus though. Volunteer, volunteer, volunteer. Did I say volunteer?
Few men have virtue enough to withstand the highest bidder. ~GEORGE WASHINGTON, letter, Aug. 17, 1779
Quit yer b*tching and whining and GET INVOLVED!!
Are the people that tell you that involved in...marketing?
It depends on if they are open to discussion. If they are then it can do wonders for an individual that knows the facts on a targeted issue. Most are not and are decided to vote either R or D tickets or, when local, by name recognition or affiliation. However, if someone is undecided and interested, it can make all the difference.
Now this, this, will open all kind of doors. It will provide a camaraderie in total opposites that will allow an opening for dialog.
Last edited by phill4paul; 11-18-2014 at 04:03 PM.
I think what is effective is probably greatly depends on the type of race and the community it is in.
I will say the most FUN I had doing it besides making/hanging banners/signs was when our group went to festivals, fairs, public events and handed out information and talked to people. no voter lists, no bothering people at their house, no targeting, just talking to the general public. In my mind, this shotgun method was more effective than the rifle approach but I have zero data to back that up.
Best volunteering gig I ever took was helping with the homeless. I had die hard socialist democrats vote for me.
Thing is, they know if you are sincere or not. I volunteered because I felt called by my faith. Not because I thought it would advance my political career. I also volunteer on a local festival - I wanted to give back to my community - not win points for an election.
But the more you volunteer, the more connections you make, the more people who will sway votes your way. I believe word of mouth is powerful. But of course, I have no data on that.
Last edited by mosquitobite; 11-18-2014 at 04:08 PM.
Few men have virtue enough to withstand the highest bidder. ~GEORGE WASHINGTON, letter, Aug. 17, 1779
Quit yer b*tching and whining and GET INVOLVED!!
I am too logical for that to be fun for me. I do like festivals but I do not think the data is there to show it changes any minds.
This is how my brain thinks as I'm talking to people at a festival:
"Wish I knew whether this guy was a registered voter or not."
"Too bad they don't wear their party label on their forehead."
"Will this guy even remember me/my name in 4 months?"
So that's why, as a candidate, I preferred door to door. I could target exactly who I wanted to target.
Few men have virtue enough to withstand the highest bidder. ~GEORGE WASHINGTON, letter, Aug. 17, 1779
Quit yer b*tching and whining and GET INVOLVED!!
Few men have virtue enough to withstand the highest bidder. ~GEORGE WASHINGTON, letter, Aug. 17, 1779
Quit yer b*tching and whining and GET INVOLVED!!
Yeah, I could see that. I'm just an outgoing person and like talking to people and will claim to being a decent conversationalist that can read people. The only data point I have that I can point to it being successful is that we had a number of people that we met at those festivals show up at meetups and go along with us at future events. I don't recall a single person we met going door to door that ended up becoming an active member or our group.
Well, the good thing about festival working is that you don't stand the chance of interrupting/disturbing someone (if you're not out there thrusting material into their hands). It's a little tougher on the door to door. People, families, it seems have never had a busier life. It's tough to catch people with a few moments to spare.
If I could figure out a way to sneak material into every bathroom in America I would be a rich man. There I have a captive audience with nothing better to do.
we mainly gave out those business cards that had a bunch of talking points printed front and back with the meetup website info and official ronpaul website on it. Not too difficult to put in your pocket.
edit: business cards designed/made/printed by our local group at no cost or direction from the campaign before they had anything available.
Last edited by specsaregood; 11-18-2014 at 04:25 PM.
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