View Poll Results: Are you familiar with Roberts Rule's of Parlimentary Procedure?

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  • Yes! I'm very familiar both in theory and practice.

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  • Yes! I'm a bit rusty but I can hold my own.*

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  • Yes! I'm somewhat familiar, weak in practice.*

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Thread: Parlimentary Action Liberty Bootcamp

  1. #1

    Parlimentary Action Liberty Bootcamp

    What do you guys think about developing a subforum here for "RPF Members Internal Politics" where we used moderated parlimentary procedure to develop a "members party platform", and take other symbolic actions.

    Although, I suspect the "weight" of RPF's platform might be relatively weak in the current political environment, I do think it would help us collectively to lobby liberty campaigns.

    More importantly, it would serve as a mentor system to share Robert's Rules of Order so that Liberty Movement activists became more confident and triumphant on the local level; Parlimentary Action Liberty Bootcamp.


    Thoughts?


    presence


    [disclosure: atm I'm crudely familiar with Robert's Rules but inexperienced and likely to get owned in practice]

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    Last edited by presence; 11-17-2014 at 11:26 AM.

    'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988

    Awareness is the Root of Liberation Revolution is Action upon Revelation

    'Resistance and Disobedience in Economic Activity is the Most Moral Human Action Possible' - SEK3

    Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.

    ...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
    ...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...




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  3. #2
    I second this idea.
    Few men have virtue enough to withstand the highest bidder. ~GEORGE WASHINGTON, letter, Aug. 17, 1779

    Quit yer b*tching and whining and GET INVOLVED!!

  4. #3
    Could I get a moderator to add a poll pls? Thanks!

    Are you familiar with Roberts Rule's of Parlimentary Procedure?

    Yes! I'm very familiar both in theory and practice.
    Yes! I'm a bit rusty but I can hold my own.
    Yes! I'm somewhat familiar, weak in practice.
    No. But I'm interested in learning to own my local government via Parlimentary Action Liberty Bootcamp!
    No. But I'm curious
    "public poll, user's names will be seen"


    eta

    thanks Bryan
    Last edited by presence; 11-17-2014 at 01:49 PM.

    'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988

    Awareness is the Root of Liberation Revolution is Action upon Revelation

    'Resistance and Disobedience in Economic Activity is the Most Moral Human Action Possible' - SEK3

    Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.

    ...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
    ...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...


  5. #4
    I suggested something similar, as far as practicing the rules using a forum thread, a few years ago... just for the record.
    Member of Ron Paul Forums Double Flat Tariff Only Society - Working towards eliminating all the foreign producer/outsource subsidizing internal federal taxes in favor of an across the board flat tariff applied equally to every country and every product.

  6. #5
    Parliamentary Procedure (aka "Robert's Rules of Order") is not hard to learn. A handful of terms and the most commonly used actions is all you need. Learn how to amend a motion and you will be miles ahead of everyone else on the floor

    Here's a good start:

    Simple Parliamentary Procedure

    A couple of things people often screw up:
    1. Point of Order - This is a member of the floor calling the chair out of order - when the chair lets someone speak out of turn, for example. A lot of people mistakenly use it as an excuse to get another bite of the apple (another chance to speak).
    2. Point of Information - as of the latest edition of Robert's Rules is now called "Request for Information" and MUST be framed as a question. This is a member of the floor requesting an explanation about the motion on the floor. People mistakenly think they are "offering additional information" but are actually taking another chance to speak.*
    You could gather some friends at a Meet-Up or some such and practice before attending the real thing. There are a lot of good vids on YouTube teaching how to do it, also.

    Here's a good "Quick Reference":
    http://www.robertsrules.org

    And here is the Official site:
    http://www.robertsrules.com

    *Robert's Rules says a member can only speak twice per motion.
    Last edited by Jamesiv1; 11-21-2014 at 05:41 PM.

  7. #6
    I rise to commend the gentleman from the great state of ???? for providing this glorious link to an invaluable resource we shall use in educating ourselves sufficiently to achieve parliamentary excellence here in this, the greatest thread in the greatest of all internet forums on earth!!!
    Member of Ron Paul Forums Double Flat Tariff Only Society - Working towards eliminating all the foreign producer/outsource subsidizing internal federal taxes in favor of an across the board flat tariff applied equally to every country and every product.

  8. #7
    I nominate presence for president of the Ron Paul Party Platform Committee??? I would nominate myself maybe but I am internet access impaired at the moment.

    As far as developing a platform, I will reiterate my suggestion of having competing forum sections where competing viewpoints such as religious/non religous can work out their own viewpoints without undue interference from people of diametrically opposed positions.
    Member of Ron Paul Forums Double Flat Tariff Only Society - Working towards eliminating all the foreign producer/outsource subsidizing internal federal taxes in favor of an across the board flat tariff applied equally to every country and every product.

  9. #8
    Quote Originally Posted by sratiug View Post
    I nominate presence for president of the Ron Paul Party Platform Committee??? I would nominate myself maybe but I am internet access impaired at the moment.

    As far as developing a platform, I will reiterate my suggestion of having competing forum sections where competing viewpoints such as religious/non religous can work out their own viewpoints without undue interference from people of diametrically opposed positions.
    I rise today to accept nomination as Ron Paul Party Platform Committee President. I concur with the Gentleman, that this thread is

    "invaluable resource we shall use in educating ourselves sufficiently to achieve parliamentary excellence"



    Further, I co-nominate Jamesiv1 for consideration as Party President

    I move that a vote for Party President be taken by members rising and being counted in the next 48 hours.
    Last edited by presence; 11-22-2014 at 12:16 PM.

    'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988

    Awareness is the Root of Liberation Revolution is Action upon Revelation

    'Resistance and Disobedience in Economic Activity is the Most Moral Human Action Possible' - SEK3

    Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.

    ...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
    ...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...




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  11. #9
    I would vote, but sadly, I have no form of identification. My provisional vote goes to presence.
    Member of Ron Paul Forums Double Flat Tariff Only Society - Working towards eliminating all the foreign producer/outsource subsidizing internal federal taxes in favor of an across the board flat tariff applied equally to every country and every product.

  12. #10
    What's the next move???
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  13. #11
    Point of information, on the 48 hour limit that seems to be insufficient to garner enough votes.
    "When a portion of wealth is transferred from the person who owns it—without his consent and without compensation, and whether by force or by fraud—to anyone who does not own it, then I say that property is violated; that an act of plunder is committed." - Bastiat : The Law

    "nothing evil grows in alcohol" ~ @presence

    "I mean can you imagine what it would be like if firemen acted like police officers? They would only go into a burning house only if there's a 100% chance they won't get any burns. I mean, you've got to fully protect thy self first." ~ juleswin

  14. #12
    Quote Originally Posted by mosquitobite View Post
    I second this idea.
    3rd
    Quote Originally Posted by Justin Amash (R) MI-3rd
    "Young people want a Republican Party that believes in limited government and economic freedom and individual liberty, but they want a party that also acts on it.”

    THE FUTURE OF THE GOP = R[∃vo˩]ution 2.0: Rand Paul 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by NOVALibertarian View Post
    First they ignore you= Ron Paul, 2007-2008
    Then they laugh at you= Ron Paul, 2012
    Then they fight you= Rand Paul, 2014-2015
    And then you win= Rand Paul, November 8th, 2016

  15. #13
    Has this meeting been adjourned???
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  16. #14
    Quote Originally Posted by sratiug View Post
    Has this meeting been adjourned???
    I don't think so, we're on coffee break
    "When a portion of wealth is transferred from the person who owns it—without his consent and without compensation, and whether by force or by fraud—to anyone who does not own it, then I say that property is violated; that an act of plunder is committed." - Bastiat : The Law

    "nothing evil grows in alcohol" ~ @presence

    "I mean can you imagine what it would be like if firemen acted like police officers? They would only go into a burning house only if there's a 100% chance they won't get any burns. I mean, you've got to fully protect thy self first." ~ juleswin

  17. #15
    As the new Trustee for a Township, I have a question, at least one, on how to handle the first public meeting of a township.

    I have called the first meeting with the Advisory Board to be on Jan. 6, 2015 (The first Tuesday after the first Monday in January, as per Indiana Code)

    There is to be the election of the Chairman and the Secretary of the Board, as well as a vote on the Financial Institution to secure the Township Funds.

    Who officially starts the meeting and brings the vote for the Chair to order? The Trustee or previous Chair? What if the previous Chair is no longer on the Board?
    Last edited by ClydeCoulter; 01-03-2015 at 04:49 AM.
    "When a portion of wealth is transferred from the person who owns it—without his consent and without compensation, and whether by force or by fraud—to anyone who does not own it, then I say that property is violated; that an act of plunder is committed." - Bastiat : The Law

    "nothing evil grows in alcohol" ~ @presence

    "I mean can you imagine what it would be like if firemen acted like police officers? They would only go into a burning house only if there's a 100% chance they won't get any burns. I mean, you've got to fully protect thy self first." ~ juleswin

  18. #16
    /bump because this thread has 5000 views (obvious interest) but lack of content... somebody with some parlimentary skills get in here and school us PLEASE.

    'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988

    Awareness is the Root of Liberation Revolution is Action upon Revelation

    'Resistance and Disobedience in Economic Activity is the Most Moral Human Action Possible' - SEK3

    Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.

    ...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
    ...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...




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    Hello..ello..ello.....is anybody out there?
    "When a portion of wealth is transferred from the person who owns it—without his consent and without compensation, and whether by force or by fraud—to anyone who does not own it, then I say that property is violated; that an act of plunder is committed." - Bastiat : The Law

    "nothing evil grows in alcohol" ~ @presence

    "I mean can you imagine what it would be like if firemen acted like police officers? They would only go into a burning house only if there's a 100% chance they won't get any burns. I mean, you've got to fully protect thy self first." ~ juleswin

  21. #18
    Quote Originally Posted by presence View Post
    /bump because this thread has 5000 views (obvious interest) but lack of content... somebody with some parlimentary skills get in here and school us PLEASE.
    Quote Originally Posted by ClydeCoulter View Post
    Hello..ello..ello.....is anybody out there?

    Oy... looks like another good idea is dying on the vine at RPF. If we had the sort of participation we see in some of the troll-bait threads... need I say more?

    I guess at this point, perhaps reproducing the basics of Roberts Rules here may be the only thing to do.

    Guidelines

    • Obtain the floor (the right to speak) by being the first to stand when the person speaking has finished; state Mr./Madam Chairman. Raising your hand means nothing, and standing while another has the floor is out of order! Must be recognized by the Chair before speaking!
    • Debate can not begin until the Chair has stated the motion or resolution and asked "are you ready for the question?" If no one rises, the chair calls for the vote!
    • Before the motion is stated by the Chair (the question) members may suggest modification of the motion; the mover can modify as he pleases, or even withdraw the motion without consent of the seconder; if mover modifies, the seconder can withdraw the second.
    • The "immediately pending question" is the last question stated by the Chair! Motion/Resolution - Amendment - Motion to Postpone
    • The member moving the "immediately pending question" is entitled to preference to the floor!
    • No member can speak twice to the same issue until everyone else wishing to speak has spoken to it once!
    • All remarks must be directed to the Chair. Remarks must be courteous in language and deportment - avoid all personalities, never allude to others by name or to motives!
    • The agenda and all committee reports are merely recommendations! When presented to the assembly and the question is stated, debate begins and changes occur!

    Perhaps we are well served to drill down on each of these to refine the understanding? Having sat on at least one board, officially, I can claim no special expertise on procedure, but since nobody else is stepping up, I will address at least the first point, invite others to comment, and then stand aside. If you want this, you will have to take it up and run with it. I am happy to participate, but I am not going to do this single-handedly. I have way too much other stuff on my plate.

    Question on obtaining the floor:

    Stand to be recognized. Does one wait for recognition upon standing, or does one immediately state "Mr./Madam Chairman" to obtain it, having stood?
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  22. #19
    Are Roberts Rules really a plot against beautiful blondes?
    "When a portion of wealth is transferred from the person who owns it—without his consent and without compensation, and whether by force or by fraud—to anyone who does not own it, then I say that property is violated; that an act of plunder is committed." - Bastiat : The Law

    "nothing evil grows in alcohol" ~ @presence

    "I mean can you imagine what it would be like if firemen acted like police officers? They would only go into a burning house only if there's a 100% chance they won't get any burns. I mean, you've got to fully protect thy self first." ~ juleswin

  23. #20
    Mr. Chairman,

    Motion to thank all those who've contributed to the concepts of the bootcamp.

    This video assisted immensely.
    Quote Originally Posted by Justin Amash (R) MI-3rd
    "Young people want a Republican Party that believes in limited government and economic freedom and individual liberty, but they want a party that also acts on it.”

    THE FUTURE OF THE GOP = R[∃vo˩]ution 2.0: Rand Paul 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by NOVALibertarian View Post
    First they ignore you= Ron Paul, 2007-2008
    Then they laugh at you= Ron Paul, 2012
    Then they fight you= Rand Paul, 2014-2015
    And then you win= Rand Paul, November 8th, 2016

  24. #21
    I second that motion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by philipped View Post
    Mr. Chairman,

    Motion to thank all those who've contributed to the concepts of the bootcamp.

    This video assisted immensely.
    Thanks for posting that. I'm definitely interested in learning more about how this works.

  26. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by jeffro97 View Post
    Thanks for posting that. I'm definitely interested in learning more about how this works.
    This member (myself) will recognize the other member(jeffro97)'s proposed debate upon the motion. I also will say you're welcome

    I move to have the chairman recognize this debate as added to the minutes and to concede debate upon the motion as final(???)
    Quote Originally Posted by Justin Amash (R) MI-3rd
    "Young people want a Republican Party that believes in limited government and economic freedom and individual liberty, but they want a party that also acts on it.”

    THE FUTURE OF THE GOP = R[∃vo˩]ution 2.0: Rand Paul 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by NOVALibertarian View Post
    First they ignore you= Ron Paul, 2007-2008
    Then they laugh at you= Ron Paul, 2012
    Then they fight you= Rand Paul, 2014-2015
    And then you win= Rand Paul, November 8th, 2016

  27. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by presence View Post
    What do you guys think about developing a subforum here for "RPF Members Internal Politics" where we used moderated parlimentary procedure to develop a "members party platform", and take other symbolic actions.
    My advice, avoid developing a platform. It's too exhaustive. Focus on planks instead, bullet points with 90-99.9% agreement among the liberty movement.

    Don't waste time in the quagmires of minarchy versus anarchy, abortion, states' "so-called" rights, gay whatevers, coercive IP, et cetera. Focus on seizure abuse, individual freedoms, ending qualified immunity (eg wrt police and DA abuse).

    Mirror existing efforts where practical like 'audit the fed'.

    If you have to split discussions because of anticipated contention, then that is not a likely plank issue.



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