Yes, and it is important for any volunteers from RPF who might be interfacing with the campaign, to actually be in touch with the sentiments of the rest of the RPF grassroots. Which is why we are having this discussion.Originally Posted by Matt Collins
I'm on board with nominating GunnyFreedom
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Sure, because of course you will run to Rands people and whine about how I thought O'Neil did a terrible job, made several huge mistakes, and therefore I should not be involved. Only people who think Rothfeld and co are perfect should ever have a part of the echo-chamber.
You know, actual...smart...people prefer to surround themselves with people who disagree with them.
No, that is not the problem (although I still consider your analysis of the issue to be flawed). The problem is that you did your complaining openly and publicly.Sure, because of course you will run to Rands people and whine about how I thought O'Neil did a terrible job, made several huge mistakes, and therefore I should not be involved. Only people who think Rothfeld and co are perfect should ever have a part of the echo-chamber.
You know, actual...smart...people prefer to surround themselves with people who disagree with them.
I take issue with how things are done sometimes too, but I don't air it out in public.
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It didn't matter, the campaign was over at that point.
If anything, it should be done publicly, so that we can grow the movement and potential future candidates will know of the rot associated with some political organizations.
Yes, anything to assert your demigodness. After the campaign was completely over, the general had already started, and in a post-mortem thread on RPF's I detailed what went wrong. That's how you improve your future results and get on with the business of winning. It is the membership of THIS board whom I want to have the skills to win elections, therefore I shared strategic direction with the members of THIS board as to what was done wrong, what was done right, and what could be done better.
Would you rather the Ron Paul Liberty movement remain ignorant on how to win elections?
Of course you would. Because you are not what you seem.
Last time you threatened to go whining to Rand's people how terrible I was, did you ever go through with it? Do you need me to get you Rand's phone number so you can make good on your threat to go whining to him how terrible I am?
I think Matt and Glen, regardless of who is right (and I tend to agree with the latter on the NC race) , present a good argument for remaining anonymous on forums.
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Open and public debate?
"You're not supposed to talk about religion or politics to another."
That's what keeps us separate, divided, a people without a home.
Get it out in the public for discussion, debate, knowledge, understanding....leads to wisdom.
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It's not so much to get the campaign to do what the grassroots wants, it's more to make sure the campaign is aware of the sentiment and the ideas that are circulating in the grassroots, and also to generally improve the relationship between the grassroots and the campaign by demonstrating an effort. In terms of actually influencing what the campaign does, you are right it is unlikely to have much of an impact at all. Who knows. Maybe we can get Rand to scrap that blasted man over the hill singing.
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"When a portion of wealth is transferred from the person who owns itwithout his consent and without compensation, and whether by force or by fraudto anyone who does not own it, then I say that property is violated; that an act of plunder is committed." - Bastiat : The Law
"nothing evil grows in alcohol" ~ @presence
"I mean can you imagine what it would be like if firemen acted like police officers? They would only go into a burning house only if there's a 100% chance they won't get any burns. I mean, you've got to fully protect thy self first." ~ juleswin
I fully endorse Gunny for this position.
Gunny for sure...Collinz, yer fired.
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Who knows? Maybe Rand is already on this forum anonymously. Maybe we should search past posts for overuse of "the interesting thing is" and "willy-nilly"
Seriously, if this is the brainstorming phase, nobody should be passing judgment. That prevents the free flow of ideas. Throw everything on the table and then decide what's the best course to take.
Haha, off course, and it won't be you.
I think gunny is one of the best options. Deb K does not seem like she wants to do it.
We do need some alternative just in case. I have been out of touch with the forum lately but why not Josh himself?
FYI, josh doesn't run the forum anymore, ownership was transferred to Bryan this year sometime. And he is doing a great job, IMO.
He has been even more out of touch with what used to be his forum than you have.
That said, Bryan would be an outstanding choice, if he doesn't have too much on his plate already.
forget that, just find one instance of "straight poop" and you've fingered himWho knows? Maybe Rand is already on this forum anonymously. Maybe we should search past posts for overuse of "the interesting thing is" and "willy-nilly"
Seriously, if this is the brainstorming phase, nobody should be passing judgment. That prevents the free flow of ideas. Throw everything on the table and then decide what's the best course to take.
I would like to add Anti Federalist to my list of people from earlier as well.
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You know who else I would like to nominate? Occam's Banana. Did anyone already?
Gunny or Deb.
Not one dime to any campaign that hires collins or Benton.
Thank you! I very much appreciate the thought - but I must decline the honor.
I'd be a terrible choice. I'm just too impatient, contrary and "extreme" ...
I'd be all like, "Audit the Fed? Ain't nobody got time for that! END the Fed! Do it! Do it naow!!"
I'd just end up pissing off everybody at the Rand campaign and at least half the people here at RPFs ...
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Oh--good one, I'd second that.
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Gunny!!
Maybe that's exactly what we need! Someone who won't just tell us what we want to hear. Who isn't afraid to upset us.I'd just end up pissing off everybody at the Rand campaign and at least half the people here at RPFs ...
I agree w/ Gunny. Though hopefully he will be boots on the ground in N.C. I also agree with the banana, but, we can't very well make him do it. Not Teh Collinz. I'm with VegasPatriot that if he is involved in the campaign, in any capacity, I'm out.
So, I'd have to go with the only person capable of partially being able to herd cats, Bryan.
I will second Bryan. Along the same lines (a non-divisive person able to straddle and calm conflicts), sailingaway could also be a candidate.
Ya know, I think I might just take the time to write a letter to Randal this weekend stating the very same thing.
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