Another gun waving intoxicated father threatened his daughter

[Christian Liberty]

You're asking an obviously uneducated chav/labour voter. $#@! em. They can't be reached.

You would have said that about me back in 2010. But there was an ancap, behind a username much like you are, who had more hope in me than that. I'm a fairly consistent ancap today. Not the best or the most useful among them, but an ancap nonetheless. I was basically neoconservative back in 2010. You would have said the same thing about Tywysog Cymru back in 2010, as I recall he was even less libertarian than I was, and he's pretty much a straight minarchist now. Very likely will go ancap eventually (But even if not, it doesn't particularly matter.) Don't assume too much.

[Christian Liberty]

These are mutually exclusive.

I disagree. If anything "republic" and "democracy' are contradictory. Socialistic democracy is logically possible. Wrong, but not paradoxical.

[Anti Federalist]

I disagree. If anything "republic" and "democracy' are contradictory. Socialistic democracy is logically possible. Wrong, but not paradoxical.

Perhaps I wasn't as clear as should have been.

That is what I meant: a republic is contradictory to both democracy and socialism.

[pcosmar]

I'm not against total freedom,

Yes you are. Either you don't even understand the concept,, or you do and oppose it.

i may be socialist leaning,

NO.
You are a Socialist.. and a Nationalist.
That makes you a National Socialist. (the results of that have been seen)

and I did agree with Prime Minister's Blair rather nutty idea of determining troublesome families pre birth. I know that is idealist quasi fascism. Better left to the computer world of deletion.

of course you do.
I have seen your Uniform.

[Spikender]

I can't believe a 68 year old got that pissed over a young girl sinking his battleship, but I guess it was the devil's brew talking, right?

[jmdrake]

That's bull.

A knife won't kill the same way a gun will.

Are you sure about that?

That is the problem with having a society have the freedom to own.

Reality has risks, I'm more cautious, and sensible. I can't help but think a portion of America is Juvenile. Okay there is the Swiss example, but they also support conscription for men. That's complete crap.

Here again the government has brought forward an amnesty so citizens who own illegal weapons can hand them into a police station.

When one doesn't believe in a diety, it's hard to accept an open carry, store a weapon at home attitude, because if somebody loses it, you can't win with a bullet.

Okay, the rest of your post is incomprehensible dribble.

[jmdrake]

Which is why you do not bring a knife to a gunfight, you bloody pillock .

It's all a matter of distance. At close quarters (less then 15 feet) a knife beats a gun. Similarly at close quarters infantry can beat a tank.

The movie version.


And the real life re-enactment.

[jmdrake]

Aren't you just being selective.

I mean Prime Minister Blair's government, literally hacked the ancient freedoms of predominately English history by siding with the Bush Admin on the Long war or War on terrorism. My freedom to peacefully assemble outside parliament isn't allowed without written permission from the Police.

Okay. For the life of me I can't understand why someone such as yourself would be worried about abuse by a police state but then think it's okay for that same police state to disarm the average joe. There is a reason why the Bill of Rights amended to the U.S. constitution contained both a right to peaceably assemble and a right to keep and bear arms. Really, it was my waking up to the full reality of the burgeoning police state that changed my mind fully about the 2nd amendment. I'm still not a "gun enthusiast" as I don't currently own any. But I totally welcome the right of others to have them and I will correct that oversight myself once I get further ahead on my finances.

[libertarianinternational]

If the daughter also had a gun, that would have served as a deterrent to the father and so this incident wouldn't have happened.

[Republicanguy]

My country is a kingdom, I agree with a welfare state, and I also support referendums, elections.

I don't agree with the weapon ownership as there is a likely possibility of many people getting hit if a weapon is discharged. Only those examples in your country have shown the sadness of people who have a messed up mind owning one, sure the argument is then well those who are unstabled shouldn't of owned a weapon.

And lastly, I wasn't against entirely to the idea of what the then PM believed back in the summber of 2006. How ever, most of us here don't utilise our political freedoms, we don't care much about privacy, torture, right to protest.

The UN declaration of human rights states a right to a family, so does the EU, but I don't think that is practical for just anybody.

In the end that is just outlandish, wanton destruction of our environment.

Who knows with the then infringement of freedom, they were setup to deal with the energy shortages that will affect our countries in the future, that unfortunately other alternatives aren't suitable with the current population.

[RJB]

I don't agree with the weapon ownership as there is a likely possibility of many people getting hit if a weapon is discharged. Only those examples in your country have shown the sadness of people who have a messed up mind owning one, sure the argument is then well those who are unstabled shouldn't of owned a weapon.

Shouldn't you call for these wackos to be disarmed first?

[Republicanguy]

In theory, the Left isn't that militaristic.

But in practice, there is always the imperfection of something going wrong. The argument on whether a police officer or perhaps a soldier as the above example is giving, is a touch complicated. There has always been a sword carrier or in this case machine assault rifles.

Just how often do officers go off on a shooting spree? I mean in the American example, police officers are trigger happy and sometimes if not on quite a few incidences need to be.

[RJB]

Hey republicanguy. Here's a thread I started in honor of your heritage a few months ago.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...nglish-longbow

[RJB]

But in practice, there is always the imperfection of something going wrong.

Yeah like 50 million in Soviet Russia, 12 million in Germany... Turkey... Tibet... Mere imperfections? I know understatements are a good part of British humor but...

[Christian Liberty]

Perhaps I wasn't as clear as should have been.

That is what I meant: a republic is contradictory to both democracy and socialism.

OK, in that case I guess it depends on what kind of Republic. If we're basing our Republic off the US Constitution, socialism is "possible" (note that this doesn't mean I support it) at the state level but not the Federal. If we're talking about a different type of Republic, I'd have to know what type we are talking about.

I know what you meant, but I have a tendency to try to be precise. Sorry.

[invisible]

My country is a kingdom, I agree with a welfare state, and I also support referendums, elections.

I don't agree with the weapon ownership as there is a likely possibility of many people getting hit if a weapon is discharged. Only those examples in your country have shown the sadness of people who have a messed up mind owning one, sure the argument is then well those who are unstabled shouldn't of owned a weapon.

And lastly, I wasn't against entirely to the idea of what the then PM believed back in the summber of 2006. How ever, most of us here don't utilise our political freedoms, we don't care much about privacy, torture, right to protest.

The UN declaration of human rights states a right to a family, so does the EU, but I don't think that is practical for just anybody.

In the end that is just outlandish, wanton destruction of our environment.

Who knows with the then infringement of freedom, they were setup to deal with the energy shortages that will affect our countries in the future, that unfortunately other alternatives aren't suitable with the current population.

Just a small bit of friendly advice: You would do better around here to stick to issues that you agree with libertarians / conservatives on, rather than to advocate for these type of things. And just as well, the situation also holds true in the reverse. For example, the State Senator who has represented my district was (she resigned to run for another office) the biggest liberal in the entire State Legislature. I talked with her quite frequently, sat in her office for many long discussions of the issues, ran into her at various political events, and got to know her as a person. Never once did I discuss issues such as gun control or abortion with her, where we both knew that we strongly disagreed. We both focused on a wide spectrum of issues where we did agree, and came to terms of mutual respect. I taught her how to frame some of her arguments from a conservative viewpoint, and more than once she used those arguments pretty much verbatim.

The left and the right can be useful allies on a wide range of issues, but the key to this is to focus on what you have in common, rather than on your differences. By all means, don't let others here run you off. Stick around and learn, and it's entirely possible that others here could learn something from you as well. The key is to build allies, rather than arguing for positions which will earn you nothing but mockery and scorn.

[RJB]

Guns in their hands-- no problem, maybe an imperfection now and then.

Not too bad, but


THIS IS DOWN RIGHT TERRIFYING!!! RUN FOR THE HILLS!!!

[Cleaner44]

Yes you are. Either you don't even understand the concept,, or you do and oppose it.


NO.
You are a Socialist.. and a Nationalist.
That makes you a National Socialist. (the results of that have been seen)



of course you do.
I have seen your Uniform.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to pcosmar again.

[Anti Federalist]

Huh?

The worst outrages of the 20th century were committed in the name of socialism/collectivism/leftism.

In theory, the Left isn't that militaristic.

But in practice, there is always the imperfection of something going wrong. The argument on whether a police officer or perhaps a soldier as the above example is giving, is a touch complicated. There has always been a sword carrier or in this case machine assault rifles.

Just how often do officers go off on a shooting spree? I mean in the American example, police officers are trigger happy and sometimes if not on quite a few incidences need to be.

[pcosmar]

My country is a kingdom, (Elitist/Authoritarian Based system)

I don't agree with the weapon ownership as there is a likely possibility of many people getting hit if a weapon is discharged. Only those examples in your country have shown the sadness of people who have a messed up mind owning one, sure the argument is then well those who are unstabled shouldn't of owned a weapon.
(But you have no problem with psychopaths ruling a country and it's entire Military power)



The UN declaration of human rights states ,,,,,,(who?)

There is not and never has been any logical consistency in any of your positions,, as presented here.

[Anti Federalist]

In theory, the Left isn't that militaristic.

But in practice, there is always the imperfection of something going wrong. The argument on whether a police officer or perhaps a soldier as the above example is giving, is a touch complicated. There has always been a sword carrier or in this case machine assault rifles.

Just how often do officers go off on a shooting spree? I mean in the American example, police officers are trigger happy and sometimes if not on quite a few incidences need to be.

Cops kill roughly 116 people every month.

There are 533,895 active duty cops.

That works out to be .02 percent, of any cop killing someone.

There are roughly 1166 murders per month, (not all by firearms) in the US.

That works out to be .0003 percent of any one person killing somebody.

A cop is 65 times more likely to kill somebody than a random person.

At a time in history when cop killings are at an all time low.

And violent crime at an all time low.

[RJB]

Huh?

The worst outrages of the 20th century were committed in the name of socialism/collectivism/leftism.

Unfortunately, his media reassures him otherwise. He joined the this forum because he likes Ron Paul's foreign policy. However now that we have a left leaning fellow in the Whitehouse, his media no longer focuses on the millions killed by foreign policy. His media focuses solely on a few nuts with guns in the US as if that's a threat to him in Britain.

As a Brit, you would think he would be championing disarming the US government and arming the American people. This would bring about world peace.

[Republicanguy]

And those leftwing governments weren't like the governments in the UK. I think that is distorting the political beliefs of the left.

Obviously extreme beliefs are never good.

If Nevada state, I guess I'll use this example, if they put forward a national health service, a benefit that supports people at the minmum for the unemployed indefinately until they do get employed ofcourse there are optional training programs or specific skill courses to help those, that is a reasonable socialist leaning policy to a few on this board at a state level?

Notsure if they could afford such a set of programs like that.

If some states, it's like three months for the unemployed. That is awful.

[pcosmar]

If some states, it's like three months for the unemployed. That is awful.

Three months for what? (not that any of that post made ant sense whatsoever)

I have been unemployed for 8 years. Tell me all about unemployment..



and what does employment/unemployment have to do with defending my home? or family? or putting food on the table?

[RJB]

(not that any of that post made ant sense whatsoever)

I'm thinking this is his brush with danger. It's somewhat late at night in Britain. When he gets a bit drunk, he decides to get just a taste of danger. The Media over there tells him we're dangerous.

He probably pictures us in log cabins or trailers, holding an M-16 with a grenade launcher, wearing a cowboy hat, hand cranking a generator to get enough electricity to spread hate on the internet...

Then he pictures us reading his writing and reacting like Yosemite Sam and shooting holes in our ceilings and swearing "That high falooting, no-good varmint, limey, I'd blow him to smithereens if I could afford me a rowboat!"

And then he sighs with relief that there is a big pond keeping Europe safe from the armed savages here in the States. I've actually met Europeans who have that view of us.

[invisible]

And those leftwing governments weren't like the governments in the UK. I think that is distorting the political beliefs of the left.

Obviously extreme beliefs are never good.

If Nevada state, I guess I'll use this example, if they put forward a national health service, a benefit that supports people at the minmum for the unemployed indefinately until they do get employed ofcourse there are optional training programs or specific skill courses to help those, that is a reasonable socialist leaning policy to a few on this board at a state level?

Notsure if they could afford such a set of programs like that.

If some states, it's like three months for the unemployed. That is awful.

There is a distinction here, one that is valid for both the "right" and the "left". The distortion is that each side points to the other as an example of what is wrong, but in reality either or neither is correct, in and of itself. Totalitarianism can occur under both right or left wing rule, and this is what is actually wrong. At the same time, either a left or right wing government can protect freedom, and the interests of it's people. There are examples of both left and right wing governments that act against the interests of the people, just as there are examples of both that do protect freedom and act in the interests of the people. The prevailing view here is that by definition, a right leaning government inherently does a better job at protecting freedom and the interests of the people, and I would personally make this argument myself. But that is not to say that a left leaning government cannot do the same. The real enemies of the people are state and corporate power, no matter what type of government you have.

[tod evans]

I'm thinking this is his brush with danger. It's somewhat late at night in Britain. When he gets a bit drunk, he decides to get just a taste of danger. The Media over there tells him we're dangerous.

He probably pictures us in log cabins or trailers, holding an M-16 with a grenade launcher, wearing a cowboy hat, hand cranking a generator to get enough electricity to spread hate on the internet...

Then he pictures us reading his writing and reacting like Yosemite Sam and shooting holes in our ceilings and swearing "That high falooting, no-good varmint, limey, I'd blow him to smithereens if I could afford me a rowboat!"

And then he sighs with relief that there is a big pond keeping Europe safe from the armed savages here in the States. I've actually met Europeans who have that view of us.

I live in the Ozarks.....

Ol' limey-boy has a higher opinion of some of my neighbors than I do....

[RJB]

I live in the Ozarks.....

Ol' limey-boy has a higher opinion of some of my neighbors than I do....

I floated a lot of those rivers. I'm an Ozark boy myself. A homesick wife uprooted me.

But yeah, stereotypes aren't based on the majority, but rather the loudest and most noticeable of a group. Inner cities have nothing on a good redneck bar. If I run into a dude missing a bunch of teeth, I call him sir, because I know he flat out doesn't care. LOL

[pcosmar]

And those leftwing governments weren't like the governments in the UK.

Tell that to the Folks killed in India,,(Amritsar massacre)

Or anywhere else the British Empire has been kicked out of.

I seem to remember operation Ajax being instigated by the British as well..

[Occam's Banana]

I'm thinking this is his brush with danger. It's somewhat late at night in Britain. When he gets a bit drunk, he decides to get just a taste of danger. The Media over there tells him we're dangerous.

He probably pictures us in log cabins or trailers, holding an M-16 with a grenade launcher, wearing a cowboy hat, hand cranking a generator to get enough electricity to spread hate on the internet...

Then he pictures us reading his writing and reacting like Yosemite Sam and shooting holes in our ceilings and swearing "That high falooting, no-good varmint, limey, I'd blow him to smithereens if I could afford me a rowboat!"

And then he sighs with relief that there is a big pond keeping Europe safe from the armed savages here in the States. I've actually met Europeans who have that view of us.

I resent that characterization!

I would *never* shoot holes in my ceiling.

EDIT: At least, not on purpose ...