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Thread: Court: State Doesn't Have to Educate Your Children Well

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    Court: State Doesn't Have to Educate Your Children Well

    Got that? The system is what's important here.

    http://reason.com/24-7/2014/11/07/co...o-educate-your

    In a blow to schoolchildren statewide, the Michigan Court of Appeals ruled on Friday that the State of Michigan has no legal obligation to provide a quality public education to students in the struggling Highland Park School District.

    In a 2-1 decision that reverses an earlier circuit court ruling that there is a “broad compelling state interest in the provision of an education to all children,” the appellate court said that the state has no constitutional requirement to ensure that schoolchildren actually learn fundamental skills such as reading – but rather is obligated only to establish and finance a public education system, regardless of quality. Waving off decades of historic judicial impact on educational reform, the majority opinion also contends that “judges are not equipped to decide educational policy.”
    Based on the idea of natural rights, government secures those rights to the individual by strictly negative intervention, making justice costless and easy of access; and beyond that it does not go. The State, on the other hand, both in its genesis and by its primary intention, is purely anti-social. It is not based on the idea of natural rights, but on the idea that the individual has no rights except those that the State may provisionally grant him. It has always made justice costly and difficult of access, and has invariably held itself above justice and common morality whenever it could advantage itself by so doing.
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    One batch of government employees critiquing another batch of government employees...

    What could go wrong?

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    the appellate court said that the state has no constitutional requirement to ensure that schoolchildren actually learn fundamental skills such as reading
    Meanwhile.... if you want to home school in Michigan:

    The child is being educated at the child's home by his or her parent or legal guardian in an organized educational program in the subject areas of reading, spelling, mathematics, science, history, civics, literature, writing, and English grammar.
    http://www.legislature.mi.gov/%28S%2...e=mcl-380-1561

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    This is no different from the "logic" employed by the courts (including SCOTUS) in declaring that police have no obligation to protect persons or property.

    The purpose of state-run courts is to assert and affrim that it is the purpose of other state-run institutions (such as public schools and police departments) to rule and control for the sake of ruling and controlling. Any other considerations are irrelevant trivialities.
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    Those judges are very likely products of the Michigan government school systems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by presence View Post
    Meanwhile.... if you want to home school in Michigan:



    http://www.legislature.mi.gov/%28S%2...e=mcl-380-1561
    If you do not meet their arbitrary guidelines while homeschooling, Michigan CPS has no problem charging you with educational neglect. Your kids may end up in a foster home where the system is accountable to no one.
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    What is wrong with this picture? Parents are really caught between a rock and a hard place. I guess the only solution is to move out of the state. I can't say it's on my top 10 places I would like to live.
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    And I guess the taxpayers can vote against tax increases until the attitude of the schools changes.
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    Oh, they'll "educate" them, alright!

    They might teach them fundamental skills like reading and math, but you had better believe those kids will know obedience to the State!
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    This is total insanity. There's no way that reasonable people can navigate this, aside from private schools--which most people can't afford.
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    Quote Originally Posted by amy31416 View Post
    This is total insanity. There's no way that reasonable people can navigate this, aside from private schools--which most people can't afford.
    Theye know this.

    We have no obligation to protect you, but woe unto you if you protect yourself.

    We have no obligation to educate your children, but woe unto you if do it yourself.

    That's the point, to beat you down with so many Hellerian "Catch 22"s that eventually, you just give up and embrace Big Brother.

    2+2=5 Comrade.

    If my fellows (and I include myself) were one tenth the men our great great great grandfathers were, these people would be tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail.

    But we're not.

    So, here we sit, slowly roasting and sipping Victory Gin.

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    They should refund the tax monies then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucille View Post
    Got that? The system is what's important here.
    That is certainly one of the possible implications, and one of the more likely to be true and more significant.

    In a 2-1 decision that reverses an earlier circuit court ruling that there is a “broad compelling state interest...
    No such a thing exists in any place, at any time. This is pure fiction. Worse yet, it is a damned and bald-faced lie.

    in the provision of an education to all children,”the appellate court said that the state has no constitutional requirement to ensure that schoolchildren actually learn fundamental skills such as reading
    Oddly, this is wholly correct, should go to SCOTUS, and should be upheld with strong non-equivocation.

    – but rather is obligated only to establish and finance a public education system,


    Here, they fall down with some thundering and quaking. Forget the more philosophical issue of the fact that the "state" is pure fantasy and assume for the sake of Theire advantage that it in fact does. The purported obligation is still nonexistent as it is nowhere to be found in the Constitution, cannot be established in any properly reasoned manner as a moral mandate, and upon scrutiny of any level fails the smell-test with pomp and fireworks. The assertion is demolished for its truth value with nearly zero effort. Its falsehood is, in fact, almost axiomatic.

    regardless of quality.
    And here we are given a punchline whose absurdity shrieks at one with loud clarity when the simplest and most intuitively obvious questions are asked with regard to it. Perhaps the most immediately obvious of these questions might be, "why would anyone with an immediate interest in the quality of such a system want, or even be willing to tolerate, that which is sub-standard?"

    The "regardless of quality" qualification of the more general assertion reveals deeper truths about "the state"; what it is and more importantly who. Are "the people" not the state? The qualification directly and unavoidably implies the schism between "state" and "Individual", the gap between the two further implied as constituting a chasm of some monument.

    A serious blow-by-blow analysis of this simple three-word modifier, made in the context of the broader statement leads to questions Theye do not want asked, yet every free and sovereign Individual should be thinking about and asking in a most audible, clear, and public fashion and should furthermore should remain irritated and unsatisfied until such time as "the state" answers the questions to the satisfaction of all men.

    Waving off decades of historic judicial impact on educational reform, the majority opinion also contends that “judges are not equipped to decide educational policy.”
    And yet they are qualified to judge the broadest policy of all regarding the relationship between so-called "education" and the so-called "state". Right... gotcha.

    Do we yet see the absurdities in which we all marinate and drown? I suppose not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by presence View Post
    Meanwhile.... if you want to home school in Michigan:



    http://www.legislature.mi.gov/%28S%2...e=mcl-380-1561

    You are expecting sound, consistent, and truthful reasoning from the so-called "state"?

    Twit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    This is no different from the "logic" employed by the courts (including SCOTUS) in declaring that police have no obligation to protect persons or property.
    And the logic is completely correct. The failure lies in the absence of followup reasoning which directly and irrevocably demonstrates that police have no place in a free and civilized land, much less any authority to act against the sovereign rights of the Individual. The language and reason to which you refer does, in fact, shout this in loud, clear, and unequivocally confessing language. The ONLY legitimate function of "government" is the guaranty protection of human rights, which includes dispensation of justice when someone's rights are violated. To protect "persons or property" constitutes the full universe of the governmental raison d'être. If there is no obligation, then police are BY DEFINITION not a legitimate instrument of government. It therefore stands that no man or group thereof, however constituted and regardless of powers claimed - real or imagined - may establish such an organization with the claim of authority over the sovereign Individual. By Theire own plain language, police have no possible legitimacy to exist, much less to claim authority of any manner or degree over any individual at any time or for any reason. By this language do Theye confess their perfidy openly and in plain sight for all to see, and yet nearly nobody sees it.

    The purpose of state-run courts is to assert and affrim that it is the purpose of other state-run institutions (such as public schools and police departments) to rule and control for the sake of ruling and controlling. Any other considerations are irrelevant trivialities.
    It is the ultimate in "because $#@! YOU" (BFY) reasoning. It is so in-people's-faces that nobody sees it, hiding in the plainest of sight. This is a HUGE problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by amy31416 View Post
    This is total insanity.
    That is the whole point. Much of Theire strategy relies on well known cognitive psychological characteristics of human beings. In this case, the destruction of the individual's cognitive frame of reference for "normal" along the broadest possible lines, but to a distinct limit, serves the tyrant's purposes well. Demolishing those frames removes or greatly inhibits the individual ability to judge right from wrong. Therefore, injecting "insanity" into select elements of life is well called for by those who would wrench away the rights of people from the individual's hands with the least amount of force necessary, or preferably to have the individual actually come so such a pass that he begs his Whipmaster to relieve him of the burdens of his freedoms.

    The wise tyrant invisibly manipulates his prey to love the chains his subjects place upon their own limbs and to hate the freedoms they have been trained to reject in favor of the comfort of the familiarity of those shackles.

    There's no way that reasonable people can navigate this, aside from private schools--which most people can't afford.
    Correct, the entire goal being to render those people unreasonable, which is to say, incapable of exercising reason in defense of their better interests.
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    There is only one correct way: freedom. All other solutions are non-solutions.

    It appears that artificial intelligence is at least slightly superior to natural stupidity.

    Our words make us the ghosts that we are.

    Convincing the world he didn't exist was the Devil's second greatest trick; the first was convincing us that God didn't exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    Demolishing those frames removes or greatly inhibits the individual ability to judge right from wrong.
    The temerity!

    It is the states place, and theirs alone, to determine right from wrong...

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    One of the happiest days of my life was when I pulled my kids out of government school.


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    So they openly admit they have no responsibility to perform well a task that they claim necessitates their existence? Crazy.



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