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    Police allow car break-ins to become a Seattle growth industry

    My advise Danny Westneat? Leave the baseball bat at home and start carrying a gun.

    What I learned last weekend: If your car gets broken into, there’s probably no point in calling the police because they won’t do anything.

    This turns out to be true even if you direct police to the thieves’ van, with the perpetrators sitting in it holding your stolen stuff in plain view. The police will tell you to forget it, and call your insurance instead.


    Last weekend I was at my son’s soccer game at Woodland Park in Seattle. It was pouring, so we foolishly left a purse in the car. Someone smashed the driver’s side window and snatched the purse.

    Because nobody saw the crime, the police told us just to file a report online.

    When I got home, my kids, savvier navigators of the modern world than I am, had already tracked the thieves down using the GPS locator of an iPhone inside the stolen purse.

    “They’re at a 7-Eleven on Aurora,” my daughter announced triumphantly.

    So it was that last Saturday night I found myself slouched in a car in a parking lot on Aurora, eyeing my fellow Seattleites through the fogged windows. Which one of you stole my stuff? I figured there’d be clues, like a rundown car or someone acting shifty. But nobody looked like thieves. After a while, everybody did.

    When the silver minivan parked next to us drove off, we could see our iPhone moving down the street on the Find My iPhone app. So we followed it to another parking lot, and again called the police.

    We reported the make and model, the license plate and the location. But the dispatcher was dismissive. Go home and file an insurance claim, she said.

    One purse with 80 bucks cash and an iPhone hardly rates an all-points bulletin. But when you’ve got the thieves trapped, the police still won’t come? The dispatcher said she would try.

    So we sat there, waiting, watching the van from a distance. After an hour, I got frustrated and called the stolen phone. No answer, but the van drove off. So we gave chase again.

    This time the dispatcher was furious. Not with the thieves or the police who never come. With us.

    “Stop following them!” she ordered. “Pull over immediately. You’re going to get yourselves shot.


    (Wonder what would have happened if he replied "If you don't send a cop I may be the one doing the shooting?" Of course we know the answer to this one. SMDH. p4p)

    This sounded ominous, plus she refused to send a squad car except to a fixed address. So I let my stolen stuff go. Eventually an officer did come (probably because the dispatcher told him we were nuts). He was sympathetic, but when I showed him where the thieves had gone — to the Fred Meyer parking lot in Greenwood — he said he couldn’t do much.

    How about you go up to the minivan, do a knock and talk, and I’ll set off the iPhone alarm, I suggested. He said I couldn’t come along due to liability — and he wouldn’t take my phone to set off the alarm himself.

    Later he called and said he hadn’t seen the van. So we drove to the Fred Meyer parking lot, and sure enough, there was the van. The thieves now knew we were following them — because one held our iPhone up to us and shook it, as if to say, “Here it is, come and get it!”


    I didn’t know whether to laugh or pull out a baseball bat. Fortunately for me, I did not bring a baseball bat. It was midnight. We drove home and seethed. The signal from the stolen iPhone had gone dead.

    (Unfortunately, you didn't arm yourself and do what good citizens are supposed to do. Congratulations. You've probably allowed these thieves to strike again. p4p)

    The next day when I called some glass-repair companies, no one blinked at this story. Happens every day, they said. Police never do anything. In fact, some thieves want you to track them, so they can try to sell your stolen stuff back to you. That’s how confident they are the police are no threat.

    So the whole time we thought we were chasing, we were being lured.

    There’s a silver lining, my glass repairman said. The glass-repair business is booming.

    In the past two weeks, there were an astonishing 426 smash-and-grabs reported in Seattle. A few years back, we did a front-page story about how car prowls had become the city’s top crime, with 370 in a two-week period. My thieves — unlike me — are working in a growth industry.

    Seattle police, I get that this is petty crime. It’s on me for leaving stuff in the car. There also was no proof who did the smash-and-grab, so even if you had come, it would have been tricky to charge them with anything.

    But it doesn’t take a detective to see how punting an entire crime category over to the insurance industry could cause these types of nuisance crimes to spiral out of control. One warning sign: In Seattle, the more serious car thefts are up a whopping 44 percent this year versus last.

    Can we at least start making these thieves feel a little heat? Especially when they’re served right up for you in a silver minivan?

    Because I saw it with my own eyes out in that Fred Meyer parking lot: Right now, they’re just laughing at us.


    (I know I am. p4p)
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    I wonder if Mr. Westneat ever felt like less of a man in his entire life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    I wonder if Mr. Westneat ever felt like less of a man in his entire life.
    Yeah, here is a hint for him...it's not the police allowing car break-ins to become a growth industry. It's namby-pamby jack wagons like himself that piss themselves when they have the thieves within sight and mocking them. I'd love it if a thief called me up asking to sell a stolen item back to me. SMDH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    I wonder if Mr. Westneat ever felt like less of a man in his entire life.
    He needs to feel like less of a man!

    Drag the punks out of their car and beat their asses or die trying.

    This idea that calling the kops is any way to achieve justice is so friggin' naive it's pathetic...

    If you're not a big enough person to protect yourself then either go armed or bring a friend.

    Contrary to what's written on their cars kops only function is to garner income and headlines for the "Just-Us" department.

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    another thought:
    How about you go up to the minivan, do a knock and talk, and I’ll set off the iPhone alarm, I suggested. He said I couldn’t come along due to liability — and he wouldn’t take my phone to set off the alarm himself.

    Later he called and said he hadn’t seen the van. So we drove to the Fred Meyer parking lot, and sure enough, there was the van. The thieves now knew we were following them — because one held our iPhone up to us and shook it, as if to say, “Here it is, come and get it!”
    And maybe he now knew you were following them because the cop had come by and told him so.

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    The next day when I called some glass-repair companies, no one blinked at this story. Happens every day, they said. Police never do anything. In fact, some thieves want you to track them, so they can try to sell your stolen stuff back to you. That’s how confident they are the police are no threat.

    So the whole time we thought we were chasing, we were being lured.

    Huh. Dumbass thieves. Dark parking lots work in my favor. I would happily arrange a trade - they can each have a couple of hollow point slugs in exchange for my stuff.

    Hypothetically, of course.

    One would think that 426 "smash and grabs" would equal at least one corpse or a few punks in Intensive Care at the local hospital... but...

    Welcome to Wussy America.

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    Holy $#@!. Please continue to call this man a pussy and less than a man because he is. He seriously pulled up and watched some thieves wave his iPhone at them? Arm yourself, put a gun in your wife's hand, and take back what they stole from you.

    This man is a helpless fool who is turning to the Government to solve a problem he should take care of himself, especially since he knew exactly where the thieves were.
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    You are all ready to kill some punks for a phone?!? I don't care if its right or wrong, in Wussy America, the typical DA and a jury of your "peers" will string you up for going out of your way to plot your revenge killing over a phone.

    My advice; get creative. Keep your piece under your shirt in an IWB holster. Remove tire iron from trunk as well as a screw driver or perhaps the collapsible knife you should be carrying anyhow. Walk up to the perps vehicle and let some air out if the tires. If they come out, before, during or after, have them set your property on the ground and get back into the vehicle so you can retrieve. If they don't comply, you have a tire iron to use. If they threaten you, now you have cause to use force.

    Or break a window or two.

    Or, just t-bone their vehicle because your foot slipped from the brake to the gas pedal.

    Or pull up with your passenger side right up next to their drivers door. Now the driver can't get out

    Have fun with it! But don't just pull out your gun and waste perfectly good hollow points, unless you're in imminent danger of life or bodily harm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    Now personally, I intentionally left off the word pussy or name calling. It isn't really his fault, he handled things just the way that society has taught him they are supposed to be handled. It sounds like it was a learning experience. I won't fault him for not knowing better; but next time he will have no such excuse.
    If a man is taught to be a pussy by society then he is still a pussy. Didn't say it was his own fault he was a pussy, so I'd say it's a fair point.

    Quote Originally Posted by ghengis86 View Post
    You are all ready to kill some punks for a phone?!? I don't care if its right or wrong, in Wussy America, the typical DA and a jury of your "peers" will string you up for going out of your way to plot your revenge killing over a phone.

    My advice; get creative. Keep your piece under your shirt in an IWB holster. Remove tire iron from trunk as well as a screw driver or perhaps the collapsible knife you should be carrying anyhow. Walk up to the perps vehicle and let some air out if the tires. If they come out, before, during or after, have them set your property on the ground and get back into the vehicle so you can retrieve. If they don't comply, you have a tire iron to use. If they threaten you, now you have cause to use force.

    Or break a window or two.

    Or, just t-bone their vehicle because your foot slipped from the brake to the gas pedal.

    Or pull up with your passenger side right up next to their drivers door. Now the driver can't get out

    Have fun with it! But don't just pull out your gun and waste perfectly good hollow points, unless you're in imminent danger of life or bodily harm.
    Or I could threaten them with a gun instead of wasting all that time getting a phone back. To be honest, my first option would just be a confrontation without weapons unless from prior knowledge or from sizing up the thieves I believe them to be armed. Then there might be weapons and backup on the way to help me out.
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    Abolish police. They are here to enforce corporate and special interests laws and control the homeless.. That's it.. they have no obligation to help you and have incentive to do the opposite.. Cops have become cattle ranchers.
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    my first question is how do the cops benefit from investigating? their primary concern is how to generate revenue and justify their existence. following perps around parking lots at night takes away precious time from collecting income.

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    It's ridiculous to call this guy a pussy for what he did, everybody here is keenly aware of what will happen to him if he brandishes a weapon like that in Seattle.

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    It's not just the scum who took his wife's purse that Westneat is up against (whether he knows it or not). This fellow (anyone) is up against the thieves and the gang at the thieves disposal -the police and state.

    By all means, be your own police force, but you had better be clever about it. Thieves use other thieves to get what they want and to protect their interests.

    **** the police. Support a local motorcycle club that you trust and is accountable.
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    I am good .I have no I phone , purse.I do have lots of 00 Buck though .

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    Quote Originally Posted by RM918 View Post
    It's ridiculous to call this guy a pussy for what he did, everybody here is keenly aware of what will happen to him if he brandishes a weapon like that in Seattle.
    End up in jail or worse.

    Best thing the guy could have did was wait till they left the vehicle and stole his items back. I doubt they would report him, but then again it is in Seattle.
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    Wow if that isn't a whole new twist on the broken window fallacy I don't know what is.
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    It's not what you say, it's how you say it:
    "My vehicle was broken into tonight, and I had items stolen. I believe I have located the thieves, but I believe they may be armed and they may be dangerous to approach. They appeared to have flashed a weapon at me, or maybe a phone, and are wearing what I think looks like an Eric Frein mask!"

    Then, just sit by and watch as the thieves' vehicle gets steamrolled by one of the SWAT vehicles.

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    Seattle cops....

    Aiding and abetting, accessory after the fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ravedown View Post
    my first question is how do the cops benefit from investigating? their primary concern is how to generate revenue and justify their existence. following perps around parking lots at night takes away precious time from collecting income.
    That's it. If it doesn't produce revenue or an opportunity to shoot something, it's your problem. Why would these people think that the Police are supposed to help them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jjdoyle View Post
    It's not what you say, it's how you say it:
    "My vehicle was broken into tonight, and I had items stolen. I believe I have located the thieves, but I believe they may be armed and they may be dangerous to approach. They appeared to have flashed a weapon at me, or maybe a phone, and are wearing what I think looks like an Eric Frein mask!"

    Then, just sit by and watch as the thieves' vehicle gets steamrolled by one of the SWAT vehicles.
    An opportunity to draw weapons? Now there's something exciting...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    That's it. If it doesn't produce revenue or an opportunity to shoot something, it's your problem. Why would these people think that the Police are supposed to help them?
    See my post for future solutions to this "problem".

    *Edit: You saw my post! Exactly. The police are trigger happy, and like to play Halloween dress up whenever they can. They don't need MUCH of a reason to do so, just knowing what to say will help them be happy doing so, and give you the results you need.
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    i'm not going to bash mr. westneat for not woopin' some ass. what he has done, however, is very important. read the comments
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    It makes me wonder what we pay the police for. Mr. Westneat did everything for the police except make the arrest. He did all the investigative work, tracked the phone, followed the thieves, and all to no avail.

    One thing I will take issue with though. Mr. Westneat, this isn't on you for leaving your stuff in the car. Smash and grabs are crimes and they are the fault of the perpetrator, not the victim.

    Is there any chance the Seattle Times will assign a reporter to this, maybe do a series? Maybe the police will start taking their jobs seriously if they are embarrassed by enough stories like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by surf View Post
    i'm not going to bash mr. westneat for not woopin' some ass. what he has done, however, is very important. read the comments
    Where's the button to submit a +rep on the dialog for it? I wanted to rep you for posting that!
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    Quote Originally Posted by surf View Post
    i'm not going to bash mr. westneat for not woopin' some ass. what he has done, however, is very important. read the comments
    He WROTE harder, and is trying to get some change through this.
    Clearly voting harder wouldn't have solved this, as it's spread throughout the system, as evidenced and starting with the 911 dispatcher.

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    north Seattle. This is where i grew up.

    When i got my first car, a 65 Mustang, i kept a tire iron under the front seat.

    This was way before i got my first gun. A .38 S&W

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjdoyle View Post
    It's not what you say, it's how you say it:
    "My vehicle was broken into tonight, and I had items stolen. I believe I have located the thieves, but I believe they may be armed and they may be dangerous to approach. They appeared to have flashed a weapon at me, or maybe a phone, and are wearing what I think looks like an Eric Frein mask!"

    Then, just sit by and watch as the thieves' vehicle gets steamrolled by one of the SWAT vehicles.
    Or you could just say they had a small dog with them, and it growled at you or pooped on your lawn, and the MRAP would soon be on the way, filled with SWAT operators ready to deal out some death and destruction (almost certainly for the dog, and , God willing, for one or more two-legged animals too).

    Or, in Fullerton, CA you could be the owner of a bar (like The SlideBar) and lie and claim that some "bum" was out in your parking lot "lifting door handles", and a gang of police would very quickly arrive and happily beat him to death (yes, as we all know, "Kelly Thomas did it to himself.")
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    Solving the problem with a gun is stupid when it is so much safer to just rig the van to explode.

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    one of the saddest aspects of this is that it seemingly contradicts claims by the pro-pot-legalization folks (myself included) that resources will be freed up to allow cops to actually go after real criminals....

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    I don't blame this guy for not directly confronting the thieves. That's an entirely subjective "cost-benefit" thing - and mileages will vary.

    Seattle police, I get that this is petty crime. It’s on me for leaving stuff in the car.
    But I DO blame him for "taking the blame" for making the crime possible in the first place.
    By that logic, everyone who is the victim of a crime should blame themselves for it.

    But even worse than that, he excuses the failure of the cops to do anything (due to the relative "pettiness" of the crime). If there had been no way of knowing who committed the crime or who was in possession of the stolen property - and no realistic prospect of ever discovering those things (which is often the case in these kinds of "smash and grab" situations) - then the cops could reasonably be excused for not "red balling" the affair.

    But that is NOT the case here. They KNEW where (at least some of) the stolen property was and the police STILL refused to do anything about it. This guy cuts the balls off his own story by blaming himself and then making excuses for the cops not doing their (alleged) jobs.

    In the face of this little bit of first-hand evidence that police do NOT "protect and serve" (and that they have NO obligation to do so), this guy just says "my bad" and "no big deal." But if that's the attitude he's going to take, then why did he even bother writing the story up in the first place?

    Quote Originally Posted by ravedown View Post
    my first question is how do the cops benefit from investigating? their primary concern is how to generate revenue and justify their existence. following perps around parking lots at night takes away precious time from collecting income.
    Indeed. If Westneat had been able to identify the perps and had discovered that they had delinquent parking tickets, THEN the cops might've done something ...
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