GMO labeling on the Ballot in Oregon

[Natural Citizen]

5100 and some change in the vote total difference. Closing in as ballots are counted.

Yes		738,323	49.83%
No		743,505	50.17%

Gonna get jiggy now...

Contested votes (only) by county minus those which have been remedied thus far...

Multnomah 2956
Lane 1573
Washington 1570
Clackamas 1129
Jackson 838
Marion 810
des Chutes 586
Josephine 404
Linn 322
Yamhill 316
Douglas 243
Benton 187
Coos 167
Polk 152
Klamath 143
Lincoln 118
Umatilla 109
Tillamook 96
Columbia 81
Hood River 64
Union 59
Curry 44
Wasco 42
Clatsop 33
Jefferson 30
Crook 26
Baker 16
Grant 11
Lake 5
Harney 4
Morrow 3
Wallowa 3
Wheeler 1

	Yes		No		Total
Baker	2,313	32.16%	4,879	67.84%	7,192
Benton	19,431	52.10%	17,862	47.90%	37,293
Clackamas	73,943	46.97%	83,491	53.03%	157,434
Clatsop	7,174	50.45%	7,046	49.55%	14,220
Columbia	9,097	45.18%	11,040	54.82%	20,137
Coos	10,977	45.93%	12,924	54.07%	23,901
Crook	2,819	31.13%	6,237	68.87%	9,056
Curry	5,132	52.44%	4,655	47.56%	9,787
Deschutes	31,583	46.40%	36,490	53.60%	68,073
Douglas	16,778	40.65%	24,494	59.35%	41,272
Gilliam	211	23.37%	692	76.63%	903
Grant	1,040	31.52%	2,260	68.48%	3,300
Harney	791	26.35%	2,211	73.65%	3,002
Hood River	4,487	53.59%	3,886	46.41%	8,373
Jackson	44,418	54.99%	36,354	45.01%	80,772
Jefferson	2,234	32.31%	4,680	67.69%	6,914
Josephine	16,503	48.85%	17,277	51.15%	33,780
Klamath	8,278	36.13%	14,632	63.87%	22,910
Lake	938	29.12%	2,283	70.88%	3,221
Lane	84,728	57.60%	62,378	42.40%	147,106
Lincoln	10,387	52.70%	9,321	47.30%	19,708
Linn	16,362	37.60%	27,159	62.40%	43,521
Malheur	2,395	31.60%	5,183	68.40%	7,578
Marion	42,712	41.66%	59,811	58.34%	102,523
Morrow	853	26.87%	2,322	73.13%	3,175
Multnomah	181,207	62.41%	109,122	37.59%	290,329
Polk	12,803	41.82%	17,815	58.18%	30,618
Sherman	205	22.70%	698	77.30%	903
Tillamook	4,806	44.77%	5,930	55.23%	10,736
Umatilla	6,029	31.70%	12,987	68.30%	19,016
Union	3,382	32.70%	6,961	67.30%	10,343
Wallowa	1,294	35.58%	2,343	64.42%	3,637
Wasco	3,645	39.62%	5,556	60.38%	9,201
Washington	93,698	48.31%	100,267	51.69%	193,965
Wheeler	229	32.21%	482	67.79%	711
Yamhill	15,441	41.49%	21,777	58.51%	37,218
Totals:	738,323	49.83%	743,505	50.17%	1,481,828

[invisible]

Wow! That's amazingly close to my projection! (post #128) Looks like I'm going to be even more accurate than I thought.

[Natural Citizen]

Wow! That's amazingly close to my projection! (post #128) Looks like I'm going to be even more accurate than I thought.

The remaining votes to be tallied may be majority YES. Will be close, for sure. Phone calling is in overdrive with regard to those contested ballots. Transporting people if need be. People are on it. Funds are sufficient so that it may continue. Will see how it pans out.

[invisible]

The remaining votes to be tallied may be majority YES. Will be close, for sure. Phone calling is in overdrive with regard to those contested ballots. Transporting people if need be. People are on it. Funds are sufficient so that it may continue. Will see how it pans out.

I don't claim to be an expert on statistical matters, but it seems intuitive to me that the remaining votes will tend to have a yes / no distribution that closely follows the totals for the county they came from, just as my original projection did. I'm not so sure that people voting one particular way would be any more or less inclined to verify their contested ballots. I think which counties have more or less of their ballots completely thrown out will make more difference, again because this will follow the percentage of the vote totals in each county.

[donnay]

Whether it's God, or Evolution, that made potatoes the way they are, humans were created, or evolved, to eat potatoes without bacteria genes in them.

Nobody has any idea about any of the weird stuff that happens to humans from eating something that is very similar to actual food, but is different in quite significant ways.

We have no idea what effect this "food" has on us or on other animals or plants. It's hurting us.

GMO's screws with our DNA and genetic expression. The Biotechs are playing God and the people have done just fine without these evil corporations molesting our foods. When I say, "MonSatan" I really mean it.

[56ktarget]

Its interesting to see the Paulites struggle with their hatred for government and love for transparency.

[Natural Citizen]

I don't claim to be an expert on statistical matters, but it seems intuitive to me that the remaining votes will tend to have a yes / no distribution that closely follows the totals for the county they came from, just as my original projection did. I'm not so sure that people voting one particular way would be any more or less inclined to verify their contested ballots. I think which counties have more or less of their ballots completely thrown out will make more difference, again because this will follow the percentage of the vote totals in each county.

Well. We get to be a bit selective at this point in the game, invisible. Agreed on your points, though.

[Natural Citizen]

I don't claim to be an expert on statistical matters, but it seems intuitive to me that the remaining votes will tend to have a yes / no distribution that closely follows the totals for the county they came from, just as my original projection did.

Looks like some of these counties which had previously been majority NO are changing to majority YES. Will update those numbers a little later.

[invisible]

Looks like some of these counties which had previously been majority NO are changing to majority YES. Will update those numbers a little later.

Interesting, TY. I look forward to your updates.

[Natural Citizen]

Interesting, TY. I look forward to your updates.

Some relevant reading while we wait for some of these...

Among their fellow non-party voters, 1.2 percent either forgot to sign their ballots or had signatures that didn't match their registration card.

In second place, Independents had 1.1 percent, Democrats with .07 percent and Republicans with .06 percent.

A new law allows the problem ballot list to be publicly released before the deadline passes and allows campaign representatives to call you and urge you to fix issues and be counted. Campaign representatives also may offer to drive voters to elections offices, though they're not allowed to pressure them on their votes on the way.

Are you on the list? Elections offices release names of Oregon voters with problem ballots

[Natural Citizen]

Plugging these new numbers into my spreadsheet as per post #86, my projection now looks like:
yes - 738277 = 49.85%
no - 742799 = 50.15%

Currently...

Yes		740,917	49.85%
No		745,456	50.15%

Very good grasshoppa.

More to count as we move toward the 18th deadline...

[invisible]

Currently...

Yes		740,917	49.85%
No		745,456	50.15%

Very good grasshoppa.

More to count as we move toward the 18th deadline...

But if some of the "no" counties are now swinging towards "yes", and the difference is something like 1% of the county's vote total (at least that's how I read post #190 - and you forgot the link btw, so no idea where that came from), that should be more than enough to throw the final result to more than 50% yes. But of course, the presentation of the numbers is still confusing enough to make any sort of accurate projection impossible at this point. When that first 1000 votes got mysteriously added to the no total, I entered that into my spreadsheet just to see what happened, and it changed the final result by something like .08%, so a couple thousand more yes votes will tip the balance.

[Natural Citizen]

When that first 1000 votes got mysteriously added to the no total, I entered that into my spreadsheet just to see what happened, and it changed the final result by something like .08%, so a couple thousand more yes votes will tip the balance.

Yep. That erroneous 1000 vote addition to NO was caught and subsequently removed, thankfully. I'm keeping my battle helmet on just in case.

Sorry for not linking to that snippet in the earlier post. I never forget to source what I share here. Was incompetence on my part. It was from an online newspaper in Oregon. I'll have to try remember which one and go look for it and then I'll add it to post 190.

[invisible]

Yep. That erroneous 1000 vote addition to NO was caught and subsequently removed, thankfully. I'm keeping my battle helmet on just in case.

Sorry for not linking to that snippet in the earlier post. I never forget to source what I share here. Was incompetence on my part. It was from an online newspaper in Oregon. I'll have to try remember which one and go look for it and then I'll add it to post 190.

Oh, I didn't think you quoted something inaccurately, or anything like that. I just would find the article interesting to read!

[Natural Citizen]

Oh, I didn't think you quoted something inaccurately, or anything like that. I just would find the article interesting to read!

Yes, I know that you didn't. I added a link to the thing in post 190, btw. Speaking off the record, it could be considered reasonable for one to wonder if the No On 92 folks may have had some people working in some of these critical counties and questioning the signatures on the ballots of the YES On 92 Demographic. I only mention this because of the number of contested votes in particular counties. Again, I'm mentioning this off the record but it certainly would be reasonable for one to consider the phenomenon given the percentage of remedied YES votes of contested ballots.

[Natural Citizen]

...a couple thousand more yes votes will tip the balance.

Looking better. Nobody is paying attention.

[invisible]

Looking better. Nobody is paying attention.

What do you mean? Who is not paying attention, to what?

[angelatc]

GMO's screws with our DNA and genetic expression. The Biotechs are playing God and the people have done just fine without these evil corporations molesting our foods. When I say, "MonSatan" I really mean it.

God clearly and plainly gave us dominion over the plants and the animals. You're such a keen researcher - how did you miss that?

The human genome has been mapped, go look for yourself and see what percentage of genes have genetically transferred from plants. Scientists aren't worried about horizontal gene transfer. And it was happening long before GMO foods were introduced to the world.

You're not going to start expressing the genes that were inserted/modified because you eat GMOs. Changes in your nutrient intake may cause changes in expression, some of which may be persistent, but everything you eat “can change your DNA” in that sense. Diet is and always has been one of environmental factors that affect genetic expression. But unless you're ingesting pure plutonium or nitrous acid, it's not altering your genome, but its expression.

Next life, try to make it past 8th grade.

[angelatc]

We have no idea what effect this "food" has on us or on other animals or plants. It's hurting us.

No it isn't. In our diets every day for an entire generation now, not one disease or illness linked to it. Although I do believe I could make the case that eating organic makes people into simpletons.

[angelatc]

It speaks largely to the ability of the leftists to poll correctly when every single poll shows 85 - 90% of voters support labeling, yet it almost always fails miserably at the ballot box, even in the cherry-picked proving grounds of liberalism. Science is hard.

They can't get this nonsense passed in Washington and California? *snicker*

Now I suppose one of our regulars will come and direly warn us that it doesn't matter anyway - there is some wave of something coming to take over regardless. Because freedom.

[invisible]

It speaks largely to the ability of the leftists to poll correctly when every single poll shows 85 - 90% of voters support labeling, yet it almost always fails miserably at the ballot box, even in the cherry-picked proving grounds of liberalism. Science is hard.

They can't get this nonsense passed in Washington and California? *snicker*

Now I suppose one of our regulars will come and direly warn us that it doesn't matter anyway - there is some wave of something coming to take over regardless. Because freedom.

If you believe that eliminating fraud is strictly a liberal issue, would you like to buy some "fudge"?

[donnay]

God clearly and plainly gave us dominion over the plants and the animals. You're such a keen researcher - how did you miss that?

The human genome has been mapped, go look for yourself and see what percentage of genes have genetically transferred from plants. Scientists aren't worried about horizontal gene transfer. And it was happening long before GMO foods were introduced to the world.

You're not going to start expressing the genes that were inserted/modified because you eat GMOs. Changes in your nutrient intake may cause changes in expression, some of which may be persistent, but everything you eat “can change your DNA” in that sense. Diet is and always has been one of environmental factors that affect genetic expression. But unless you're ingesting pure plutonium or nitrous acid, it's not altering your genome, but its expression.

Next life, try to make it past 8th grade.

Exogenous plant MIR168a specifically targets mammalian LDLRAP1: evidence of cross-kingdom regulation by microRNA
http://www.nature.com/cr/journal/v22...r2011158a.html

Growing fatter on a GM diet
http://sciencenordic.com/growing-fatter-gm-diet

Scientists: New GMO wheat may 'silence' vital human genes
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/332822

Complete Genes May Pass from Food to Human Blood
http://www.plosone.org/article/info%...l.pone.0069805

The Very Real Danger of Genetically Modified Foods
http://www.theatlantic.com/health/ar...-foods/251051/

Genetically modified wheat potentially silence our genes
http://www.inbi.canterbury.ac.nz/Doc...t-20120828.pdf

Scientists discover double meaning in genetic code
http://www.washington.edu/news/2013/...-genetic-code/

Confirmed: DNA From Genetically Modified Crops Can Be Transferred Into Humans Who Eat Them
http://livefreelivenatural.com/confi....T66yOeAF.dpuf

Ten Scientific Studies Prove that Genetically Modified Food Can Be Harmful To Human Health
http://www.globalresearch.ca/ten-sci...health/5377054

https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=zvgmV8MGrAU

I don't know about you, but I am not comfortable being a lab rat. I rather let nature take it's course not MonSATAN.

Hosea 4:6
"My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children."

[Natural Citizen]

What do you mean? Who is not paying attention, to what?

Oh. I'm sorry, invisible. I was kind of just typing to myself there. Heh. What I meant was that I've read many, many recent articles where the authors have said that the bill has failed and what they do is follow that line with "So then the question becomes..."

Of course we know that questions don't become anything even if this particular citizens initiative happens to not pass. Questions don't go away. But there is a silly phenomenon that we have where we just listen to the news and when they tell us it's over, then, by gosh, it must be over. And so we stop paying attention. I suppose that I was thinking more along the lines of our professionals in journalism. Many just write it up and call it a day.

Comparable to what I had shared with PRB in post #151, I suppose.

[angelatc]

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I don't know about you, but I am not comfortable being a lab rat. I rather let nature take it's course not MonSATAN.

Hosea 4:6
"My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children."

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I don't know about you, but I am not comfortable being a lab rat. I rather let nature take it's course not MonSATAN.

You've got a new juevenile catch phrase to go along with big pHARMa and all the others you cling to. How very liberal of you. Actually though, I love it - it only underscores that you're an ideologue through and through, not interested in facts, only using these forums to further your personal agenda of expanding government and restricting free markets.

17 years in the food supply and not a single health incident. Nada, none, zip. Nobody suing because GMOs gave them the morgellons or gluten intolerance. Not a single lawsuit? In America? Go figure.

The fact remains that the free market is always a better tool to decide these things. Nobody cares what you want and nobody shoudl have to hear it day after day after day. Go graze, go eat organic, and leave my damned food alone.

Hosea 4:6
"My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge,

*Snort* Says the high school dropout who would rather see children in Africa die from starvation and go blind rather than let them eat Golden Rice? Or is "Ignorance is intelligence!" some deep liberal Orwellian philosophy? I mean, you guys don't have to trust the scientists, but unless you can either disprove the entire scientific method, or produce something that resembles an iota of proof of your hypothesis, that's all you have. A hypothesis, which is unsupported by anything resembling evidence. Which makes it a flawed hypothesis. As in - there is no evidence that horizontal gene transfers are any more or less "dangerous!!!!" than vertical gene transfers.

Gen. 1:28) "

“Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth."

(Gen. 1:26) “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth"

(Psalm 8
4.What is man that You are mindful of him, And the son of man that You visit him?
5.For You have made him a little lower than the angels, And You have crowned him with glory and honor.
6.You have made him to have dominion over the works of Your hands; You have put all things under his feet...

So the people in these forums screeching that GMOs are dangerous and bad, simply because they are not smart enough to understand basic science are here doing Satan's work. Either they're intentionally evil, driven by only by their own self interest, or he has made them into blind tools.

[Natural Citizen]

Current ballot count has yet to be released. Most recently...

Yes		740,917	49.85%
No		745,456	50.15%

Aside - 2 developers sue Hawaii county to halt GMO law

Previously...Maui GMO ban passes

The first ballots to be counted show 58 percent of voters oppose the ban. But, by the third printout, there were 50 percent "yes" votes. It appears that the initiative has passed.

Maui is home to farms owned by national companies like Monsanto and a Dow Chemical subsidiary, which produce new varieties of genetically engineered seeds

If one reflects on this lawsuit and others that will certainly follow as the people introduce more of these citizens initiatives, it begs the question of the rule of law. Is justice something that is to be purchased without deliberation? And what of the courts and so called unbiased judges who dispense it? We know much of the revolving door that exists within these companies, the courts and government bodies. The phenomenon that we see with regard to these companies and major block/share holders (yet to be known) who use patent law to undermine the ability of the people to grow and eat what they want in a way that stimulates control of the food supply in their corrporate socialist/mercantilist favor could be said to be a direct contradiction of the old endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness gag. We like to think that America is a Republic but this is a phenomenon that only resides on paper it would seem.

But I digress. Is a debate for another day and I suppose that I ask it here given debate that we see in some recent postings from the evangelical community with regard to "life". At the moment it's important to focus on the subject here, which, of course, would be the peoples right to know what they consume. To participate in a genuine free market system where a mechanism for choice exists and freedom to choose establishes the winners and losers. Mercantilist infrastructure that we have at the moment in the way that was described here actually protects these industries from the free market. And spending $25 million from out of state to oppose a citizens initiative for a right to know and make an informed choice is demonstrative of this mercantilist model.

[Lucille]

No it isn't. In our diets every day for an entire generation now, not one disease or illness linked to it. Although I do believe I could make the case that eating organic makes people into simpletons.

You've got a new juevenile catch phrase to go along with big pHARMa and all the others you cling to. How very liberal of you. Actually though, I love it - it only underscores that you're an ideologue through and through, not interested in facts, only using these forums to further your personal agenda of expanding government and restricting free markets.

17 years in the food supply and not a single health incident. Nada, none, zip. Nobody suing because GMOs gave them the morgellons or gluten intolerance. Not a single lawsuit? In America? Go figure.
[...]
*Snort* Says the high school dropout who would rather see children in Africa die from starvation and go blind rather than let them eat Golden Rice? Or is "Ignorance is intelligence!" some deep liberal Orwellian philosophy? I mean, you guys don't have to trust the scientists, but unless you can either disprove the entire scientific method, or produce something that resembles an iota of proof of your hypothesis, that's all you have. A hypothesis, which is unsupported by anything resembling evidence. Which makes it a flawed hypothesis. As in - there is no evidence that horizontal gene transfers are any more or less "dangerous!!!!" than vertical gene transfers.
[...]
So the people in these forums screeching that GMOs are dangerous and bad, simply because they are not smart enough to understand basic science are here doing Satan's work. Either they're intentionally evil, driven by only by their own self interest, or he has made them into blind tools.

I'd love to see you go tell Taleb what an unscientific dumbass and tool of Satan he is: https://www.facebook.com/permalink.p...id=13012333374

See you on your next drive-by!

[Natural Citizen]

.3% separates the YES ballots from the NO ballots. Out of state companies who had spent millions of dollars to oppose this citizens initiative scrambling to make sure that Contested NO ballots are being remedied. Heh...

[invisible]

.3% separates the YES ballots from the NO ballots. Out of state companies who had spent millions of dollars to oppose this citizens initiative scrambling to make sure that Contested NO ballots are being remedied. Heh...

Still the same count and percentages given in post #205, then?

[Natural Citizen]

Still the same count and percentages given in post #205, then?

No update until probably this evening on official count. .3 % was the last official update which was prior to the weekend. The purpose of that last posting was just to mention that the NO folks are now scrambling to remedy the contested NO ballats. Something they had neglected. It just felt kind of naked to not share some sort of number.

As was mentioned .2% renders an automatic recount. Anything outside of .2% would need to be funded.

[PRB]

.3% separates the YES ballots from the NO ballots. Out of state companies who had spent millions of dollars to oppose this citizens initiative scrambling to make sure that Contested NO ballots are being remedied. Heh...

why you no liek free speech and free market?