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    Milk Does a Body Good?

    Does a Body Good? New Study Adds to Milk's Growing Image Problem

    Long a staple of weekly grocery lists, the snow-white picture of purity, the unassailable go-to drink for good health, milk—yes, milk—is experiencing something of an image problem. The dairy identity crisis is no doubt thanks to a growing number of studies like the one released this week out of Sweden that suggests moo juice isn’t the magic elixir it has long been cracked up to be.

    The new research calls into question one of those pieces of conventional wisdom that few of us would even think to disagree with. We all know that calcium-rich milk helps to build strong bones, right? For adults, that’s supposed to mean fewer bone fractures. Maybe not. A vocal chorus of public health experts, including those at the Harvard School of Public Health and the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine, have long pointed out that there’s little scientific evidence to support the notion that drinking milk leads to better bone health—not enough to justify the current federal dietary recommendation of drinking three cups a day. The new study, published in the journal BMJ, would seem to add more fuel to this skepticism. Researchers reviewed detailed dietary information for more than 100,000 Swedish women and men and tracked their health outcomes for up to 23 years, and they found no evidence that drinking more milk correlated with a decreased risk for bone fracture.

    Among women the results were most surprising. Women who drank at least three glasses of milk a day (which, let’s remember, is consistent with U.S. guidelines) were 16 percent more likely to experience a bone fracture—and 60 percent more likely to break their hips—than women who drank less than one glass a day.

    Even more alarming, women who drank more milk were 90 percent more likely to die of cardiovascular disease and 44 percent more likely to die from cancer during the course of the study.

    Milk-drinking men fared better, in the sense that those who drank three glasses of milk a day were "only" 10 percent more likely to die earlier, a risk that researchers tied to a 16 percent greater chance of suffering from cardiovascular disease.

    Bottom line: Researchers found no positive health benefits from drinking more milk. On the contrary, the study suggests that drinking too much milk might do a body more harm than good.

    But the news wasn’t all bad for the dairy industry. Unlike milk, fermented dairy products such as yogurt, cheese, sour cream, and buttermilk appeared to have at least some protective benefits, at least for women. As the Los Angeles Times reports:

    Among all of the women in the study, those who ate more of these fermented dairy foods had lower rates of fractures and premature death compared with women who ate less of them. Each additional serving corresponded with a 10 percent to 15 percent reduction in the risk of both, the researchers found. However, the effects for men were ‘more modest’ or ‘non-existent,’ according to the study.

    The study’s authors weren’t able to determine why this was the case, although they have a theory. While milk is notably high in lactose, fermented dairy products aren’t (the fermentation process eats up the lactose). When the body metabolizes lactose, it generates something called D-galactose. Prior animal-based studies have found D-galactose isn’t so great for the body, causing “oxidative stress damage, chronic inflammation, neurodegeneration, decreased immune response, and gene transcriptional changes.” As the Times points out, “when scientists want to mimic the effects of aging, they give animals shots or food containing D-galactose.”

    As the Swedish research team admits, none of this is conclusive evidence that milk is bad for you. But for many health experts, there’s now enough science to debunk the notion that you can never get enough milk. The Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine cites a litany of studies that have found milk consumption does not lead to healthier bones in children, adolescents, or adults, while drinking milk has been linked to a higher risk for certain cancers.

    For its part, the Harvard School of Public Health doesn’t even list dairy as part of its “Healthy Eating Plate,” which it developed as an alternative to the federal government’s "MyPlate." The university's diet guide is “based exclusively on the best available science” and not subject to “political or commercial pressure from food industry lobbyists"—like the dairy lobby, which has doubled its political contributions over the last decade, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.

    As the Harvard website explains: “It’s not a news flash that calcium is key for healthy bones. Getting enough calcium from childhood through adulthood helps build bones up and then helps slow the loss of bone as we age. It’s not clear, though, that we need as much calcium as is generally recommended, and it’s also not clear that dairy products are really the best source of calcium for most people.”

    So what are some arguably better sources? Nutrition experts say you can get plenty of calcium in leafy greens (kale, bok choy, and collards are particularly calcium-rich), beans, and fortified beverages such as soy milk and orange juice.
    http://news.yahoo.com/does-body-good...185332635.html



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    Ya cause the cows are eating grains - grains are bad for you. Grass fed dairy and raw pastured dairy are good for the vast majority of the population.
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    It's also the pasteurization process that is bad. Even the Organic companies are using Ultra Pasteurized milk which is doubly bad for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Ya cause the cows are eating grains - grains are bad for you. Grass fed dairy and raw pastured dairy are good for the vast majority of the population.
    Its alway so hard to get any sense of what was discovered in a study when the products they're studying are so schwag. Is it the gmo corn the cows are fed? The hormones that make their ninnies hang to the ground? The homogenization? The pasterization? The litany of antibiotics? The plastic cartons the stuff is stored in? It goes on and on... we're so detached from what is pure and natural, and in keeping with what man evolved upon for 1000's of years that you really have no idea what causes anything anymore.

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    The study surveyed what people said they had consumed in the last six months- not what they consumed over their entire lifetimes. Things like family history were also not included.

    This chart for Canada shows milk consumption rising from teens on up by age group. Bone fractures and cancers also tend to rise in higher age groups so perhaps the Swedish study does not show what it might at first seem to.

    http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/82-624-...chart2-eng.htm



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    Quote Originally Posted by satchelmcqueen View Post
    i love milk.
    Me too. I don't drink soda (aside from occasional homebrew gingerale), occasionally coffee, usually water and sometimes tea. I don't care what anyone says, I take a swig right from the about bottle once a day when it comes to milk, standing in front of the open fridge--that's the only way I like it.

    So yeah, don't drink the milk if you're ever a guest here and are squeamish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by amy31416 View Post
    I take a swig right from the about bottle once a day when it comes to milk, standing in front of the open fridge--that's the only way I like it.
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    gross
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Ya cause the cows are eating grains - grains are bad for you. Grass fed dairy and raw pastured dairy are good for the vast majority of the population.
    I have read that A1 Beta Casein is a concern with dairy from several common species of cows, even if it's pastured (100% grassfed).

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    Quote Originally Posted by presence View Post
    Its alway so hard to get any sense of what was discovered in a study when the products they're studying are so schwag. Is it the gmo corn the cows are fed? The hormones that make their ninnies hang to the ground? The homogenization? The pasterization? The litany of antibiotics? The plastic cartons the stuff is stored in? It goes on and on... we're so detached from what is pure and natural, and in keeping with what man evolved upon for 1000's of years that you really have no idea what causes anything anymore.
    One of the biggest deals lately is the issue of consumption of Omega 6 polyunsaturated fatty acids, especially as a ratio of our consumption of Omega 3 polyunsaturated fatty acids. Grain fed animals have a poor ratio of these. Many other foods are unsatisfactorily concentrated with Omega 6 as well. Some of the worst offenders are most oils. Some of the worst oils include soybean oil, grapeseed oil, corn oil, and many others. Soybean oil, for example, is prevalent in many processed foods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anaconda View Post
    I have read that A1 Beta Casein is a concern with dairy from several common species of cows, even if it's pastured (100% grassfed).
    Hmm a modern genetic mutation of western cows from about 5k years ago, interesting..

    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...-the-milk.aspx
    http://www.naturalnews.com/033384_a1...sein_milk.html

    Apparently it's ok to consume grass fed butter whether it contains A1 or A2, but milk, cheese and yogurt should be from A2 sources. Good to know, I eat mostly butter but do have some milk at times and ice cream.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by amy31416 View Post
    You know you do worse.
    Are you saying he gets his milk from the tap?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Are you saying he gets his milk from the tap?!
    I wouldn't be entirely surprised.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Hmm a modern genetic mutation of western cows from about 5k years ago, interesting..

    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...-the-milk.aspx
    http://www.naturalnews.com/033384_a1...sein_milk.html

    Apparently it's ok to consume grass fed butter whether it contains A1 or A2, but milk, cheese and yogurt should be from A2 sources. Good to know, I eat mostly butter but do have some milk at times and ice cream.
    Thanks for the good links. Everyone should take a look at those.

    Also, goat's milk and sheep's milk are essentially free of this problem. I saw goat and sheep yogurt at Whole Foods but it was pricey, if memory serves.
    Last edited by anaconda; 11-04-2014 at 05:24 PM.



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    Do you know that humans are the only mammals on the planet that continue to drink milk after infancy? Scwewy...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Natural Citizen View Post
    Do you know that humans are the only mammals on the planet that continue to drink milk after infancy? Scwewy...
    If you have a cat,put a saucer of milk in front of it and tell it that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mad cow View Post
    If you have a cat,put a saucer of milk in front of it and tell it that.
    Oh, yeah. I forgot about cats. Heh. Figgers they'd be the igrant ones to screw up my theory.

    Oh. And a mad cow...
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    i don't give my cat milk anymore.....just pukes it up later.

    i hate milk.

    that is all.

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    This is the milk I buy. It comes in the old fashioned glass bottles, and I get 1.50 return on each bottle. http://claravaledairy.com/
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    My local (big name) grocery has half gallons in glass bottles from Strauss http://strausfamilycreamery.com/about/story with the fat on top (you have to stir it in). Cost about $5.00 for half a gallon plus $1.25 deposit. Gallons of organic in plastic are about the same price.

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    And most of it unfit to be reprinted on RPFs due to its obscenity. :P /vommit
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