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    STUDY: Ebola can survive on surfaces for 50 days...

    STUDY: Ebola can survive on surfaces for 50 days...
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...peratures.html

    Ebola can survive on surfaces for almost TWO MONTHS: Tests reveal certain strains survive for weeks when stored at low temperatures


    • Research claims certain strains of Ebola can remain on surfaces for 50 days
    • It survived the longest on glass surfaces stored at 4° (39°F)
    • Centres for Disease Control and Prevention claims Ebola typically lives on a ‘dry’ surface for hours - including doorknobs and tables
    • But when stored in moist conditions such in mucus, this is extended
    • Survival time depends on the surface, and the room temperature
    • Virus can be killed using household bleach and people must come into direct contact with the sample to risk infection



    The number of confirmed Ebola cases passed the 10,000 mark over the weekend, despite efforts to curb its spread.

    And while the disease typically dies on surfaces within hours, research has discovered it can survive for more than seven weeks under certain conditions.

    During tests, the UK’s Defence Science and Technology Laboratory (DSTL) found that the Zaire strain will live on samples stored on glass at low temperatures for as long as 50 days.


    The left-hand charts plot survival rates of Zaire strain of Ebola (Zebov) and Lake Victoria marburgvirus (Marv) on glass (a) and plastic (b) at 4° (39°F) over 14 days. The right-hand charts reveal the survival rate under the same conditions over 50 days. Both viruses survived for 26 days, and Ebola was extracted after 50 days

    The tests were initially carried out by researchers from DSTL before the current outbreak, in 2010, but the strain investigated is one of five that is still infecting people globally.

    The findings are also quoted in advice from the Public Agency of Health in Canada.

    Ebola was discovered in 1976 and is a member of the Filoviridae family.

    This family includes the Zaire ebolavirus (Zebov), which was first identified in 1976 and is the most virulent; Sudan ebolavirus, (Sebov); Tai Forest ebolavirus; Ebola-Reston (Rebov), and Bundibugyo ebolavirus (Bebov) - the most recent species, discovered in 2008.

    For their 2010 paper, ‘The survival of filoviruses in liquids, on solid substrates and in a dynamic aerosol’, Sophie Smither and her colleagues tested two particular filoviruses on a variety of surfaces.

    These were the Lake Victoria marburgvirus (Marv), and Zebov.

    Each was placed into guinea pig tissue samples and tested for their ability to survive in different liquids, and on different surfaces at different temperatures, over a 50-day period.

    When stored at 4° (39°F), by day 26, viruses from three of the samples were successfully extracted; Zebov on the glass sample, and Marv on both glass and plastic.

    By day 50, the only sample from which the virus could be recovered was the Zebov from tissue on glass.

    ‘This study has demonstrated that filoviruses are able to survive and remain infectious, for extended periods when suspended within liquid and dried onto surfaces,’ explained the researchers.

    ‘Data from this study extend the knowledge on the survival of filoviruses under different conditions and provide a basis with which to inform risk assessments and manage exposure.’

    The researchers do stress that these tests were carried out in a controlled lab environment, and not in the real world, but published their findings to highlight the survival rates.

    Last week the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) updated its Ebola guidelines following the rise in infections.

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    And yet, not a single person in the USA has caught the disease except by direct contact with a person in the final stages of the disease. Apparently even sexual intercourse with an infected person doesn't transmit the disease in the pre-symptomatic stages.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Acala View Post
    And yet, not a single person in the USA has caught the disease except by direct contact with a person in the final stages of the disease. Apparently even sexual intercourse with an infected person doesn't transmit the disease in the pre-symptomatic stages.

    There’s some evidence that there can be sexual transmission of the virus for a substantial period of time after at least some individuals have recovered from infection. So they clinically seem better, but they can still detect the virus in semen, and there’s at least one example of that.
    http://www.prevention.com/health/hea...toms-and-risks

    Abstinence from sex or the use of condoms during sex, as well as avoidance of breastfeeding and contact with the mucous membranes of the eye for at least 3 months after recovery, are still recommended to avoid possible exposure to EBOV in the aforementioned immunologically protected sites.
    http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/conten...nt_2/S142.full
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    Don't really care what the journals speculate. Duncan was sleeping with his girlfriend shortly before he went to the hospital the first time. And while I don't know for sure, I'm guessing that they weren't playing patticake. She isn't sick. And Spencer was cohabitating with his fiance. If he felt well enough to go bowling I am guessing they were not waiting until the wedding to enjoy carnal pleasures. So, notify me when the first case of sexually transmitted ebola shows up. Not saying it won't. But it certainly isn't a significant mode of transmission.

    The only way people are getting ebola is through direct contact with people in the last stage of the disease or the corpse. When people become contagious with ebola they aren't out partying, (RAND!). They aren't out spreading the virus in public. They are on their deathbed. The idea that people with an ebola infection are out and about spreading the disease is simply not supported by the facts of the cases we have seen up close in the USA.
    The proper concern of society is the preservation of individual freedom; the proper concern of the individual is the harmony of society.

    "Who would be free, themselves must strike the blow." - Byron

    "Who overcomes by force, hath overcome but half his foe." - Milton

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    No worries mate! Condom + Barf Bag = Protection

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    Also worth noting, these articles concern sexual transmission AFTER recovery from the disease. That is virtually irrelevant to threat of epidemic. Sexual transmission BEFORE anyone knows the person is sick is a concern. AFTER they have nearly died everyone is alert to the problem.
    The proper concern of society is the preservation of individual freedom; the proper concern of the individual is the harmony of society.

    "Who would be free, themselves must strike the blow." - Byron

    "Who overcomes by force, hath overcome but half his foe." - Milton

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    Quote Originally Posted by Acala View Post
    Also worth noting, these articles concern sexual transmission AFTER recovery from the disease. That is virtually irrelevant to threat of epidemic. Sexual transmission BEFORE anyone knows the person is sick is a concern. AFTER they have nearly died everyone is alert to the problem.
    I was wondering when you were going to notice it saying "after" they have been diagnosed, before you summarily dismissed what the journals had to say. So I guess it is safe to say that the one male missionary needs to be concerned about having intimate relations for at least 3 months after his recovery, since he had full blown Ebola.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    I was wondering when you were going to notice it saying "after" they have been diagnosed, before you summarily dismissed what the journals had to say. So I guess it is safe to say that the one male missionary needs to be concerned about having intimate relations for at least 3 months after his recovery, since he had full blown Ebola.

    Actually what I originally said was "even sexual intercourse with an infected person doesn't transmit the disease in the pre-symptomatic stages." So your articles on POST-symptomatic transmission were inapposite. But I thought I would explain why post-symptomatic transmission was not a threat even if it exists.
    The proper concern of society is the preservation of individual freedom; the proper concern of the individual is the harmony of society.

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    Ebola is a virus. What's to survive or die? It's just chemistry.

    Are Viruses Living?

    9 June 2004

    Let’s first define life. According to the online Merriam-Webster Dictionary, life is “an organismic state characterized by capacity for metabolism, growth, reaction to stimuli, and reproduction.”

    Viruses are not living things. Viruses are complicated assemblies of molecules, including proteins, nucleic acids, lipids, and carbohydrates, but on their own they can do nothing until they enter a living cell. Without cells, viruses would not be able to multiply. Therefore, viruses are not living things.

    When a virus encounters a cell, a series of chemical reactions occur that lead to the production of new viruses. These steps are completely passive, that is, they are predefined by the nature of the molecules that comprise the virus particle. Viruses don’t actually ‘do’ anything.

    Often scientists and non-scientists alike ascribe actions to viruses such as employing, displaying, destroying, evading, exploiting, and so on.

    These terms are incorrect because viruses are passive, completely at the mercy of their environment.
    http://www.virology.ws/2004/06/09/are-viruses-living/

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    13% are contagious with no symptoms.
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    Does the chemistry just fall apart or decompose at 51 days?



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