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    Internet savvy IS providing excellent documentation of US military hardware failures

    Janes: Islamic State reveals US equipment failures

    A video released by the Islamic State on 21 October showed a militant inspecting a pallet of supplies that were dropped using the Joint Precision Airdrop System (JPADS). The JPADS uses GPS guidance and a steerable parachute to increase the accuracy of airdrops so they can be made from higher altitudes or into smaller drop zones.

    The supplies included a number of green wooden boxes containing ammunition, including old fragmentation grenades without fuzes, rocket propelled grenades and associated propelling charges, and German-made DM41 hand grenades.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XNavyNuke View Post
    I don't believe for a moment these were "failures".
    Experience teaches us that it is much easier to prevent an enemy from posting themselves than it is to dislodge them after they have got possession.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miss Annie View Post
    I don't believe for a moment these were "failures".
    That's because you are awake and well Miss Annie!

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    http://www.thelocal.de/20141022/germ...-isis-in-syria

    More on the failure or success of keeping the "Boogyman War" funding going...
    A screen grab from a jihadist video showing the grenades. Photo: DPA
    'German' hand grenades paraded by Isis in Syria

    Published: 22 Oct 2014 10:58 GMT+02:00
    Updated: 22 Oct 2014 10:58 GMT+02:00

    The German military was on Wednesday investigating reports that Bundeswehr hand grenades have fallen into the hands of the Islamic State (Isis) terrorist group after a video appearing to show captured weapons surfaced on the Internet.
    Isis fighters in Syria were shown unpacking hand grenades from boxes stamped DM41, which experts say is the classification of an older hand grenade type used by the Bundeswehr, the German Army.

    A Bundeswehr spokesman declined to comment on operations to supply Kurdish forces fighting Isis in northern Iraq, where the terrorist group is believed to have intercepted western-supplied weapons.

    But other military officials told the news agency dpa that only new type DM51 hand grenades could have been among weapons delivered to the Kurdish defenders of the northern city of Kobane a month ago.

    Confusion over the origin of the hand grenades deepened with a Pentagon admission that a US airdrop of arms to the city's defenders could have been snatched by Isis.

    The hand grenade video appeared following a US airdrop of 28 crates of weapons and supplies to Kobane earlier this week. One crate went astray when landing. Despite efforts to destroy it from the air, the contents may have survived, officials said.

    They were unable to comment whether German items were among the delivery. Since September 5, Germany has supplied 5,100 hand grenades among 600 tons of arms, vehicles and equipment to Kurdish forces in Iraq,

    Repercussions of the conflict in Syria and Iraq have affected Germany in various ways in recent months.

    Hundreds of volunteers have travelled to the region to fight for Isis, while Isis fighters originating in Germany have threatened the life of Chancellor Angela Merkel. Funds and equipment were also supplied to groups fighting in the region by sympathizers in Germany.

    Four men were arrested on Monday for allegedly supplying thousands of winter boots and jackets to terrorist groups.

    Related raids were carried out in seven states, including Baden-Württemberg, Hamburg, Hesse, Rhineland-Palatinate, Saxony, Schleswig-Holstein, as well as North Rhine-Westphalia.

    SEE ALSO: German motorcycle gang joins Isis fight
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    The old WWII pineapple style grenades I saw in the video, had a hole in the bottom of them like the practice dummy grenades one can buy at the military surplus stores.

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    including old fragmentation grenades without fuzes
    Missing a bit more than that... WTF

    Why do this? There are warehouses of foreign mil equip in Kansas and Germany and other places... This is BS!

    Janes is generally A+ as a source.

    -t

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    The old WWII pineapple style grenades I saw in the video, had a hole in the bottom of them like the practice dummy grenades one can buy at the military surplus stores.
    I believe you are right about that... you are very observant and astute.

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    Quote Originally Posted by navy-vet View Post
    I believe you are right about that... you are very observant and astute.
    I started a thread on that very point - ISIL is FAKE, FAKE, FAKE!!! or something like that.

    apparently this is a no no. I got harassed, a bomb disposal visit, bugged and black bagged for owning some - PISSED!

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    Quote Originally Posted by navy-vet View Post
    I believe you are right about that... you are very observant and astute.
    Well, I might have been looking at it incorrectly and what I saw may have been just the grenade body without the fuse. It would still have a hole where the fuse should have been screwed in. Still, what they heck are they doing with those antique grenades?

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    Getting rid of old surplus?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    Well, I might have been looking at it incorrectly and what I saw may have been just the grenade body without the fuse. It would still have a hole where the fuse should have been screwed in. Still, what they heck are they doing with those antique grenades?
    we saw the same thing. You were looking at the base. No plug, no threads. The janes article stated they lacked fuses.

    and these were dropped into a war zone????

    Personally the para looked fake too - like a roll of black plastic sheet.

    And where was the pallet? The load didn't have signs of impact without one.

    -t

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Getting rid of old surplus?
    Wouldn't all of that have been used up in Korea and Vietnam?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tangent4ronpaul View Post
    we saw the same thing. You were looking at the base. No plug, no threads. The janes article stated they lacked fuses.

    and these were dropped into a war zone????

    Personally the para looked fake too - like a roll of black plastic sheet.

    And where was the pallet? The load didn't have signs of impact without one.

    -t
    Seems the system does use black parachutes. And the pallet would have been on the bottom of the load- outside the frame of the picture.
    From the Jane's page:


    Sample drop:

    http://www.militaryaerospace.com/art...e-airdrop.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    Wouldn't all of that have been used up in Korea and Vietnam?
    No. I was looking at a arms dealers site a bit ago and LIVE pineapple grenades were selling for $5 a pop. Export licence required.
    At the same time, dummy pineapple grenades with no fuze train no explosives and no plug are being sold in surplus stores to us gringo's for $7.50-$10 a pop.

    -t

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Seems the system does use black parachutes. And the pallet would have been on the bottom of the load- outside the frame of the picture.
    From the Jane's page:


    Sample drop:

    http://www.militaryaerospace.com/art...e-airdrop.html
    photo URL's have been forwarded to an aerospace engineer I know that used to work for a company that does that and personally is into skydiving.

    I asked him for his opinion on this.

    -t

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    Last edited by HOLLYWOOD; 10-23-2014 at 06:25 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tangent4ronpaul View Post
    photo URL's have been forwarded to an aerospace engineer I know that used to work for a company that does that and personally is into skydiving.

    I asked him for his opinion on this.

    -t
    OK - I'm wrong on this:

    No the photo is definitely real. Would take a while to explain why. Usually you only use those types of parachute canopies for rather higher value equipment or special purpose insertion, but maybe things have changed.


    I actually worked on this type of stuff at the very outset of it (circa 1984-86). I had a patent on a parachute high lift device, but the patent is not very useful for anything.

    I should clarify. The parachute system is definitely real. I can't speak for the payload but it appears to be something.
    anyone got some ketchup to make this crow go down easier?

    -t

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    Quote Originally Posted by tangent4ronpaul View Post
    OK - I'm wrong on this:



    anyone got some ketchup to make this crow go down easier?

    -t
    I understand if cooked properly, it tastes just like chicken.

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    Just don't over cook it- or it gets tough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    I understand if cooked properly, it tastes just like chicken.
    I prefer mine with a healthy dose of Texas Pete, which helps to take out the wild taste, a little...

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    None of this makes any sense. I heard the theory earlier that the weapons dropped to ISIS might be rigged to explode in the hands of the enemy. But a grenade without a fuse isn't going to explode at all. Of course theirs the "official story" that the weapons were really being dropped to be used by those fighting ISIS and they just went off course by "mistake". But why send junk equipment to your allies? Then if the idea is really to arm ISIS as a "false flag" op, why give ISIS weapons that don't work? Maybe the idea is to build up the perception that ISIS is well armed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    None of this makes any sense. I heard the theory earlier that the weapons dropped to ISIS might be rigged to explode in the hands of the enemy. But a grenade without a fuse isn't going to explode at all. Of course theirs the "official story" that the weapons were really being dropped to be used by those fighting ISIS and they just went off course by "mistake". But why send junk equipment to your allies? Then if the idea is really to arm ISIS as a "false flag" op, why give ISIS weapons that don't work? Maybe the idea is to build up the perception that ISIS is well armed?
    The explosives inside grenades will still work.. (composition B commonly) and the fuses have other uses.

    I would not expect rifles to be dropped fully loaded.. but magazines and ammo to be supplied with,, but separately packaged.

    These fighters were well armed before they collected more arms from supplies we left there for the Iraq Army..in fact,, many of these folks ARE the Iraq Army that we had trained.

    It is their country.. we need to stay the $#@! out.
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