They were from the Oklahoma National Guard based in Tulsa, yet only one local MSM outlet seems interested in covering it...
http://www.kjrh.com/news/local-news/...ts-of-injuries
No one seems to have been hurt.
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If war machines remain ideal there will be accidents.
Maybe Ironman had something to do with it...
Telling that there is not a peep from ABC NBC CBS FOX MSNBC ALJAZERA or CNN; the story is only covered locally, mentioned in Air Force Times... and internationally.
Full coverage
Military converges on scene of Kansas jet crash
KSN-TV - Oct 20, 2014
ELK COUNTY, Kansas – Military personnel have converged at a southeast Kansas pasture where an Oklahoma Air National Guard fighter jet tumbled to the ground and burned after colliding with another F-16 during a training exercise. One pilot ejected after ...
F-16 crashes following midair collision in SE Kansas
KAKE - Oct 20, 2014
MOLINE, Kan. — UPDATE: The Oklahoma Air National Guard has confirmed that two F-16 Fighting Falcons were involved in a midair collision during a training exercise near Moline, KS. The Kansas Highway patrol said the crash site is large and is west of ...
Oklahoma Guard: No Injuries After Midair Collision
WIBW - Oct 21, 2014
The Oklahoma Guard's Col. Max Moss said neither pilot was seriously injured in the midair collision Monday afternoon. Moss said one of the F-16's returned safely to its base in Tulsa while the second crashed and burned in a field in southern Kansas.
Oklahoma Air National Guard fighter jets collide over southeast Kansas; no ...
Kansas.com - Oct 20, 2014
Max Moss of the Oklahoma National Guard gave this account: Two Oklahoma Air National Guard F-16 Fighting Falcons collided midair during a training exercise Monday afternoon southwest of the town of Howard, causing one of pilots to eject from the aircraft ...
Military converges on scene of F-16 jet crash
KWCH - Oct 21, 2014
Colonel Max Moss, Director of Media and Civilian Relations for the Oklahoma National Guard, said two F-16 Fighting Falcons were involved in a mid-air collision during a training exercise southwest of Howard, Kan. Eyewitness Dakota Chamberlain saw the ...
F-16's collide over southern Kansas skies
Kansas First News - Oct 20, 2014
TULSA, Okla. (AP) – Two Oklahoma Air National Guard F-16 fighter jets flying a training exercise out of Tulsa collided in midair over southern Kansas, causing one of the pilots to eject from the aircraft. Oklahoma National Guard spokesman Col. Max Moss ...
Oklahoma Air Guard jets collide in Kansas
Tulsa World - Oct 20, 2014
An Oklahoma Air National Guard F-16 plane doing tactical maneuvers in Kansas landed at Tulsa International Airport on Monday afternoon after colliding with another jet, National Guard spokesman Col. Max Moss said. One of the pilots was forced to eject ...
Oklahoma Guard: No injuries after midair F-16 collision over Kansas
KHON2 - Oct 20, 2014
Max Moss said neither pilot was seriously injured in the midair collision Monday afternoon. Col. Moss says the pilot of one jet was able to return to Tulsa International Airport and landed safely. That aircraft was met on the tarmac by several fire and rescue ...
Report: F-16s collide over Eastern Kansas
Kansas City Business Journal (blog) - Oct 21, 2014
Two F-16 military jets were involved in a midair collision Monday that downed one aircraft near the town of Moline in southeastern Kansas, the Wichita Business Journal reports. Col. Max Moss of the Oklahoma National Guard said the pilot of the downed jet ...
Oklahoma Air National Guard F-16 Fighters Collide Over Kansas
KGOU - Oct 20, 2014
Max Moss says neither pilot was seriously injured in the collision Monday afternoon southwest of Howard, Kansas. Moss says the pilot of one jet was able to return to Tulsa International Airport and landed safely. That aircraft was met on the tarmac by several ...
Military investigates scene of Kansas jet crash
Danbury News Times - 22 hours ago
In this file photo, a U.S. Air Force F-16 flies away after refueling mid-flight from a KC-135 Stratotanker during a Red Flag exercise over The Nevada Test and Training Range Monday, Feb. 10, 2014. A f-16 fighter jet crashed after a midair collision with another ...
Military investigates scene of Kansas F-16 crash
AirForceTimes.com - 21 hours ago
Military personnel are investigating the southeast Kansas site where an Oklahoma Air National Guard fighter jet crashed after a midair collision with another jet from the same unit during a training exercise. The F-16 crashed Monday in a pasture about three ...
Military investigating midair crash in Kansas
WoodwardNews.net (subscription) - 11 hours ago
(AP) — Military personnel are investigating the southeast Kansas site where an Oklahoma Air National Guard fighter jet crashed after a midair collision with another jet from the same unit during a training exercise. The F-16 crashed Monday in a pasture about three miles northeast of Moline, an Elk County farming and ranching community. The pilot ejected and was taken to a clinic at McConnell Air Force Base in Wichita, where he was treated and released for slight injuries, the Oklahoma National Guard said in a ...
Oklahoma National Guard pilot ejects from jet, avoids serious injury
kfor.com - 19 hours ago
TULSA, Okla. – Two Oklahoma Air National Guard pilots escaped serious injury after a mid-air incident over Kansas. The pilots were conducting an Air Combat Maneuvering training mission Monday afternoon when their F-16 jets collided in the skies over ...
Okla. National Guard planes collide over Elk County
Winfield Daily Courier Online - Oct 20, 2014
The two Oklahoma Air National Guard F-16 Fighting Falcons collided in midair southwest of Howard during a training exercise, according to Col. Max Moss, a spokesperson with the Oklahoma National Guard. Neither pilot was seriously injured. The pilot who ...
Oklahoma National Guard reports mid-air collision involving two jets; no serious ...
kjrh.com - Oct 20, 2014
TULSA - According to the Oklahoma National Guard, two F-16 Fighting Falcons were involved in a mid-air collision Monday. The Okla. National Guard went on to say the collision occurred during a training exercise southwest of Howard, Kansas and three ...
Oklahoma Air Guard jets collide in Kansas; one pilot ejects with minor injuries
NewsOK.com - Oct 20, 2014
The other pilot was not injured, and his jet did not sustain serious damage. "Two Oklahoma Air National Guard F-16 Fighting Falcons were involved in a mid-air collision during a training exercise this afternoon southwest of Howard, Kansas, causing one of the ...
Pilot Ejects After Oklahoma Air National Guard Fighter Jets Collide in Midair
KTUL - Oct 20, 2014
Pilot Ejects After Oklahoma Air National Guard Fighter Jets Collide in Midair. Two Oklahoma Air National Guard F-16 fighter jets flying a training exercise out of Tulsa collided in midair over southern Kansas, causing one of the pilots to eject from the aircraft.
VIDEO: Oklahoma Guard: No injuries after midair collision
Tyler Morning Telegraph - Oct 21, 2014
... during a training exercise, with one pilot ejecting from one of the aircraft. The Oklahoma Guard's Col. Max Moss said neither pilot was seriously injured in the midair collision Monday afternoon. Moss said one of the F-16's returned safely to its base in Tulsa.
Fighter Jets Collide over Kansas, No Serious Injuries Reported
610kvnu - Oct 20, 2014
AndersHP84/iStockphoto/Thinkstock(HOWARD, Kan.) -- A pair of F-16 fighter jets were involved in a mid-air collision on Monday in which one of the planes crashed and the pilot of the other was able to return to its base in Tulsa, Okla. and land safely.
Military investigates Kansas site where Oklahoma Air National Guard jet crashed
Daily Journal - Oct 21, 2014
KANSAS CITY, Missouri — Military personnel are investigating the southeast Kansas site where an Oklahoma Air National Guard fighter jet crashed after a midair collision with another jet from the same unit during a training exercise. The F-16 crashed Monday in a pasture about three miles northeast of Moline, an Elk County farming and ranching community. The pilot ejected and was taken to a clinic at McConnell Air Force Base in Wichita, where he was treated and released for slight injuries, the Oklahoma National ...
F-16 : No Injuries After Midair Collision
Canada News - Oct 21, 2014
A pair of F-16 fighter jets were involved in a mid-air collision on Monday in which one of the planes crashed and the pilot of the other was able to return to its base in Tulsa, Okla. and land safely. Oklahoma National Guard spokesman Col. Max Moss said ...
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AGAIN???
Didn't these guys get the memo about not texting while flying at MACH?
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No but the MSM obviously all got the memo to keep silent.
Apparently no one needs to know.No one seems to have been hurt.
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Dang! This happens A LOT!
http://www.f-16.net/aircraft-databas...and-accidents/
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Ok, I smell something fishy here. Check out the photo below...
http://www.f-16.net/f-16-news-article4901.html
I'm a pylon judge at the Reno Air Races and I've seen many a plane crash - some fatal - one a jet going 500 mph. This photo is NOT of an F16 crash. It may be an F16 airframe but there was no "crash" here. Looks like an old airframe was used as target practice or something. There is no rut in the field from the aircraft. The frame is mostly intact with the center burned out. If the pilot had ejected the plane would have went into the ground and left a big smoking crater. You would not be able to find wings, or anything else that looks like a plane...
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You're absolutely right. Who bellies an aircraft with an ejection seat in? And even if you do, and do a damned good job of it, how does it remain that intact--and without leaving a trench behind it?
And what kind of collision leaves an airplane flyable enough to belly in but not flyable enough to fly back to base? And where's the evidence of it?
Suspicious as hell.
Ok, I smell something fishy here. Check out the photo below...
http://www.f-16.net/f-16-news-article4901.html
I'm a pylon judge at the Reno Air Races and I've seen many a plane crash - some fatal - one a jet going 500 mph. This photo is NOT of an F16 crash. It may be an F16 airframe but there was no "crash" here. Looks like an old airframe was used as target practice or something. There is no rut in the field from the aircraft. The frame is mostly intact with the center burned out. If the pilot had ejected the plane would have went into the ground and left a big smoking crater. You would not be able to find wings, or anything else that looks like a plane...
Well I've seen "Top Gun" and that impact clearly shows all the signs of a flat spin, caused by flying below the flight deck, and losing an engine due to jet wash, and then possibly impacting a stabilizer of another aircraft.
Glad that nobody was hurt while they were playing with our tax dollars.
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What the hell? I agree with you completely - that is most definitely not a crash site. Assuming that photo is legit, that aircraft was sitting still when it burned, which could well have been the case. But that begs the question of what, then, is going on here.Ok, I smell something fishy here. Check out the photo below...
http://www.f-16.net/f-16-news-article4901.html
I'm a pylon judge at the Reno Air Races and I've seen many a plane crash - some fatal - one a jet going 500 mph. This photo is NOT of an F16 crash. It may be an F16 airframe but there was no "crash" here. Looks like an old airframe was used as target practice or something. There is no rut in the field from the aircraft. The frame is mostly intact with the center burned out. If the pilot had ejected the plane would have went into the ground and left a big smoking crater. You would not be able to find wings, or anything else that looks like a plane...
OK, I just looked again and if you take a very close look at the engine nozzle and scan forward, what do you NOT see? There appears to be no engine in that airframe. It could be my eyes... after all I will be 57 in just 5 more days and they are not what they were once upon a time. But if I am not seeing incorrectly, then this photo is not what it claims to represent. Most of such an engine is steel and titanium. Neither steel nor titanium will burn under such conditions. I've been working with both for 40 years. To burn steel away as it appears to me to have been done in this photo, you would need a LOT of heat - sustained ca. 3000* for an extended period, or with a very oxygen-rich environment. Nothing in the surrounding grasses suggest that. In fact, aluminum fires are even more thermally lively and yet there is no indication surrounding the aircraft. This suggests photoshop... but why?
As for titanium, far and away more difficult to get to burn. Once burning, however they are a sight that once you see, you will never forget. They are violent in a way that only first-hand witnessing will ever make real in one's mind; much more spectacular than thermite. You see one, you really don't want to see another. I have seen one, the result of finely divided metal coming off a grinder and landing in a container full of same. The light coming off the burning metal is actinic - meaning it is like looking into the sun, only brighter. It will damage your eyes the way looking into a welding arc will. It is violent and very dangerous and I can tell you with no doubt whatsoever that this photo shows zero evidence of a titanium reaction.
Given all that, where in hell is the engine? Note the image:
http://aviadejavu.ru/Images6/MM/MM-77/0288-06-2-9.jpg
Next: where is the collateral damage from burning fuel? If the fire was strong enough to burn the fuselage, at some point the fuel tanks would have been breached and at the very least a flare would have occurred. That, of course, would have left its mark in the grass. I see no evidence of that in the still image, but the following video paints a rather confusing picture. Note the burn-plume in the opening frames and its relationship to the position of the aircraft. The jet is pointed toward the right and the print extends for a over a hundred feet opposite its presumed direction of travel:
I cannot make out what could possibly have caused this resting arrangement to have come about, given what I see and what has been reported How is the plume going to just erupt rearward? High winds? That's sarcasm. The fuel-tanks are bladdered affairs designed to resist puncture. Any impact strong enough to blow open those fuel cells is going to not leave the airframe in so peaceful a state of rest. Two plus two are not adding up to four, here.
[[ETA: The detached control surface is the vertical stabilizer, which became evident on more careful viewing of the video clip. My mistake, but at least that makes a lot more sense.]]
All of the horizontal surfaces appear intact. Why is there no suggestion of damage? Why is the right rear surface sitting so peacefully-looking just to the right and slightly rear of the fuselage? Why is the leading-edge missing at the root? More importantly, why it is so neatly carved out in a 90* notch, as if cut and not torn by impact? These composites do not fail in neat fashion as the image suggests.
Next: where, oh pray tell, is the vertical stabilizer? Out of frame? Could be, but why, if the rest of the plane came to what appears to be so peaceful, if toasty, and end?
Back to the right horizontal: why are there markings on it? I have now looked at several dozens of images of OKLAHOMA ANG F16s and not a one shows "OK" or a number or anything else on the rear horizontal stabilizer surfaces. Why this one?
Finally, where is the front landing gear? It is large and of solid steel. It, being so far from the fuel, would have been left behind, almost certainly with the rim as well. I see nothing in the photo to suggest its presence.
The news story is clear that the pilot ejected and the aircraft hit the ground, unmanned. That is NOT an image of that scenario. There is no motion evident.
What, then, is the story here?
Last edited by osan; 01-27-2015 at 08:56 AM. Reason: ETA
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It appears that artificial intelligence is at least slightly superior to natural stupidity.
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Look at the grass.
Either this F-16 was about 12' long, or it's not a photo at all.
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Actually, I'm reasonably sure that isn't grass. I'm no farmer, but I'd be more inclined to think of corn. Given the way it escaped getting scorched, though, it should be a field of asbestos plants--but farmer or no, I feel quite sure there's no such thing.
Channels Six (Tulsa) and Nine (OkC) are certainly tools--you should have seen the hit piece KOTV ran against Nathan Dahm when he tried to primary Sullivan for House District One--and the pilot of the helicopter that ostensibly took that footage is ex-military. I don't know how that fits into this puzzle, but it seems like a puzzle piece to me.
Fishy is the word.
No pal, it is grassland. I could take a photo of our front pasture and you would see exactly the same thing. Clearly, you are not a farmer, as this looks nothing like corn.
That part you have definitely gotten right.Fishy is the word.
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There is only one correct way: freedom. All other solutions are non-solutions.
It appears that artificial intelligence is at least slightly superior to natural stupidity.
Our words make us the ghosts that we are.
Convincing the world he didn't exist was the Devil's second greatest trick; the first was convincing us that God didn't exist.
That being the case, fisharmor's estimate of twelve feet might be a bit generous. I'd be inclined to say eight or ten. What would that be, a 1/5 scale model? 1/6?
If this is the best they can do, no wonder few news outlets carried it. But what are they (amateurishly) doing? Making inventory disappear so they can sell it to ISIS?
Last edited by acptulsa; 01-27-2015 at 09:18 AM.
Wasnt there a fatal incident 1 day ago in greece involving f16? Maybe its time to replace with f35 +sarcasm+
They closed the case...
http://www.newson6.com/story/2816138...rash-in-kansas
Not terribly specific. I always love it when they try to 'clarify' a situation by inventing new verbs like 'deconflict'.LANGLEY AIR FORCE BASE, Virginia - The U.S. Air Force blames the pilots for the collision of two F-16 jets that resulted in a crash in southeast Kansas last fall.
Two F-16s from the 138th Fighter Wing in Tulsa collided near Moline, Kansas on October 20, 2014. One of the single-seat jet fighters managed to land safely in Tulsa in spite of its damage.
The other F-16 crashed after the pilot ejected. He suffered minor injuries.
10/20/2014: Related Story: F-16s Collide Over Kansas; One Crashes, One Returns To Tulsa
According to a summary of the report posted on the USAF's Air Combat Command web site, the cause of the collision was "a pilot's failure to maintain visual contact with another aircraft and deconflict their flight paths."
The summary says the pilots were assigned to the wing's 125th Fighter Squadron. The pilots were participating in a combat maneuvers training mission when the collision occurred.
10/21/2014: Related Story: Military Investigating Crash Site Of Tulsa-Based F-16 Jet
The formation's wingman failed to inform the flight lead of an inability to maintain visual contact with the lead aircraft. At the same time, the flight lead failed to assume visual and flight path "deconfliction" responsibilities for the formation while the wingman set up for complicated training maneuvers, according to the summary.
The flight lead also misinterpreted the wingman's direction of turn and failed to recognize they were on a collision course. These errors, the summary says, contributed to the pilots' inability to realize the danger in time to avoid a collision.
The flight lead was the pilot who ejected. The wingman returned safely to base despite five feet of the right wing tip being severed from the aircraft, according to the summary.
The two F-16C aircraft were part of a flight of four jets from Tulsa using airspace over southeast Kansas which is reserved for military aircraft to practice combat maneuvers.
The summary says the total loss to government property was $22.5 million.
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