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    Supreme Court Will Weigh In on Police Hotel Searches




    WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court on Monday agreed to decide whether the police in Los Angeles may inspect hotel and motel guest registries without permission from a judge.

    Dozens of cities, including Atlanta, Denver and Seattle, allow such searches, which law enforcement officials say help them catch fugitives and fight prostitution and drug dealing.

    A group of motel owners challenged the law. They said they were not troubled by its requirement that they keep records about their guests. But they objected to a second part of the ordinance, requiring that the records “be made available to any officer of the Los Angeles Police Department for inspection.”

    The city said this means the police may look at the records at any time without the owners’ consent or a search warrant.

    In December, the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit, in San Francisco, struck down the Los Angeles ordinance, saying it ran afoul of the Fourth Amendment’s ban on unreasonable searches. The vote was 7 to 4.

    Judge Paul J. Watford, writing for the majority, said that hotel guests had given up their right to privacy when they provided information to the hotels. But the hotel owners, he went on, were protected by the Fourth Amendment.

    “Businesses do not ordinarily disclose, and are not expected to disclose, the kind of commercially sensitive information contained in the records,” he wrote, noting that they can include “customer lists, pricing practices, and occupancy rates.”

    But the Los Angeles law, he said, makes hotel owners guilty of a misdemeanor as soon as they refuse to comply with a police request to see their records.

    In urging the justices to hear their appeal in the case, Los Angeles v. Patel, No. 13-1175, the city’s lawyers said the law was an important tool to regulate “parking-meter motels” that can serve as magnets for crime. They added that immediate access to guest registries could be vital in the aftermath of a terrorist attack.

    “There is no evidence that the books are being cooked,” the owners said, adding that the city “cannot explain why it even needs the ability to search without a warrant.”

    The city called this empty rhetoric from motel owners who “are either hopelessly naïve or darkly misleading this court.” The owners’ brief, the city said, “falsely and cynically assumes the operators of these parking meter motels are honest people who follow the rules so the immutable records always will be available for inspection.”

    “There is no doubt,” the city’s brief said, that “the city’s loss of surprise guest-register inspections has had an immediate and dangerous impact on the decent people who live and work around these motels and these communities as a whole.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/21/us...ches.html?_r=0
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    If a private bounty hunter obviously shouldn't have access to it then the cops shouldn't either.

    Badges don't grant extra rights.

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    Well, SCOTUS will be pulling it out again I see.....

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    Count on it

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    Dozens of cities, including Atlanta, Denver and Seattle, allow such searches...

    Must just be the bad cops, not the good cops.
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    Quote Originally Posted by presence View Post
    If a private bounty hunter obviously shouldn't have access to it then the cops shouldn't either.

    Badges don't grant extra rights.
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    They just make $#@! up as they go along.
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    I don't think SCOTUS will vote to give police the power to access hotel records without warrants. The 4th (and the rest of the Bill of Rights) is very clear that it is a limitation on government, so a claim that a hotel guest gives up expectation of privacy purely by going to the hotel won't fly. A guest gives up an expectation of privacy to the hotel itself but not to police, which is government. A warrant is still required for government agencies to access those records. I don't think even SCOTUS can mentally gymnasize that one into being constitutional.

    The caveat is if the police start doing like that Massachusetts SWAT team did and incorporate itself as a company instead of a government agency and claim it is outside of associated limitations. Taking that to the next step, if police start doing that then they give up any color of law arguments and become private mercenaries, which is subject to castle doctrine and self defense laws where a land/homeowner can defend against an intruder that is not a government official enforcing law as part of official governmental duty (which provides immunity for their actions). (<-------- pssst.....this is your disarmament agenda reason)


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