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"And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat
"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire
It's not like Ron Paul if famous because he ran for President and changed peoples minds through political rallies, and debates on Mainstream TV. LOL! No, it's because he has opinions. I mean, libertarianism would be MORE popular if Ron Paul spent his entire life as an OB/GYN, and had opted out of the political system.
William, I appreciate your innocence. I do, I use to think that way. However as years went on I became very cynical about national elections because I saw, with my own eyes, how they are rigged. As long as they have electronic voting (and you know in Texas it is huge), they can rig it any way they want.
“The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner
“The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner
Voting your way to freedom is a lot like screwing your way to virginity.
The comment you responded to was about the importance of political movements, I was not saying that merely voting makes everything OK.
I do not object to people doing things other than electoral politics to effect change. What I object to, is the notion that not voting is some how some great thing. At best it is neutral. Voting in a good person is definitely a good thing in my opinion.
Does this help in any way? Please convince me that this does anything useful to the cause.
This whole thread is about telling people on a political board that politics is futile and should be avoided and only fools would engage in such practices. I would think the burden of proof would be to explain how the alternative is more likely to bring about a positive result. But no. You would rather dwell in negatives only? You don't think there are political solutions? Fine. But why piss in the Wheaties of those who believe otherwise? To what effect? How is not voting going to work better?
"And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat
"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire
Well at least the non-voters are not furthering and therefore tacitly condoning and approving the continued enslavement of our brother and sister Americans.
"We shall get nowhere until we start by recognizing that political behavior is largely non-rational, that the world is suffering from some kind of mental disease which must be diagnosed before it can be cured. " -- George Orwell
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Give it up. That "tacitly condoning" line is something that is entirely made up. In fact, I could use it in the exact opposite manner. By not voting against their abuses, you are tacitly condoning them.
See how that works?
I am still waiting for you - or anyone - to tell me how NOT voting stands a better chance of changing things. You have the burden of proof to show that not voting is a better means by which to ensure liberty. Go for it.
"And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat
"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire
“The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner
And we could use the same analogy: How does voting change things for the better?
Did the Patriot change things for the better?
Did the NDAA change things for the better?
Did the bank bail-outs change things for the better?
Can't you see the deck is stacked against our liberties. You could vote till your blue in the face and nothing is going change the ones who are truly in control of this country. If you think Obama REALLY runs this country then I have a some swampland I can sell you for a really good price.
You need to get out there and change the people's minds. The ones who have been conditioned and born into a system of corruption of which they do not know any better.
“The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner
Of course it is, I just made it up. That doesn't make it incorrect nor invalid.
Guess again, the burden of proof is always on the affirmative. Nice try though. Check it out.
No, I don't see how that works. Because it doesn't and it never did and I doubt that it ever will. Six thousand years on the road to no where, on the failed experiment called government. How many chances to succeed should be given to failed experiments?
Thanks for playing!
"When even the brightest mind in our world has been trained up from childhood in a superstition of any kind, it will never be possible for that mind, in its maturity, to examine sincerely, dispassionately, and conscientiously any evidence or any circumstance which shall seem to cast a doubt upon the validity of that superstition. I doubt if I could do it myself." -- Mark Twain
"Arguing withidiotssome voters is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how well you play the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, crap on the board and strut around like he’s victorious."
So that means you have nothing, then? Not voting is no better than voting? Neither produces anything of value? So why the tumult? You're the one who brought it up. But you have nothing? Nothing to show where not voting produces anything more than voting? You are the one affirmatively stating such. I'd like a little evidence.
"And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat
"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire
You betcha, pige!
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Last edited by Ronin Truth; 10-20-2014 at 05:44 PM.
"And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat
"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire
Tacitly condoning I don't care one way or the other. I'd better phrase it as "tacitly relying." As long as we rely on the political system to solve our problems, we should be in good shape. It's only when we go outside the realms of normal democratic participation, that I start to get worried. You know what I'm talking about; the "crazy talk." Stockpiling food/ammo, lessening dependence on the state, preparing yourself physically & mentally for the defense of a state/local secession, and other such ridiculous ideas.
As long as our political strategy just relies on voting really, really hard, we will be in A+ shape.
My favorite part about voting, is that feeling of making a difference when you do it. Makes me all warm and fuzzy inside. The only thing that makes me feel warmer and fuzzier, is volunteering in a campaign for the purpose of electing someone slightly-less-bad than the opponent. That's the best way to operate within the political system, and is therefore a favorite strategy of mine.I am still waiting for you - or anyone - to tell me how NOT voting stands a better chance of changing things.
- Kim KardashianIt's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
Donald Trump / Crenshaw 2024!!!!
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Waiting for the bashing of Lew Rockwall...3...2...1...
“The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner
Who other than you has even mentioned bashing Lew Rockwell in this thread?
Of course the thread isn't finished yet and there are probably many here who hate his Statist guts for taking an unelected job in D.C.at taxpayer expense as Chief of Staff for one of those disgusting tax-ticks in the House of Representatives.
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“The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner
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